WWE Believe in the Shield

Desperado · Post Post #1200 (ISO) » Sat May 11, 2013 6:22 am

In post 1198, Svenskt Stål wrote:
In post 1195, Desperado wrote:
In post 1187, Svenskt Stål wrote:Explain how the kill is bussing Krabs?

And who is genuinely scumhunting?

Krab and gcbc are not both scum, thats a known fact. This is the problem with viewing all "anti town factions" as group "scum". They can both be anti town, there is a big diffrence.
I said best case scenario
GCBC was bussing Krab
, as in Krab is also on aligned with Heyman. Alternatively, GCBC was genuinely scumhunting and caught Shield-aligned Krab.

And there is no functional difference. They are not aligned with the town, so they are scum. My role PM says that all threats to the town must be eliminated. It does not differentiate between threats, therefore anyone who is not aligned with me is scum. It is not a "known fact" that they are not both scum.
The diffrence my friend is in knowledge. Grouping them as "scum" takes away the element of them knowing eachothers alignments.
It is a known fact that they are not scum because gcbc was not scum.

So in your mind krab is either heyman or shield? You have way to much confidence in your reads bro.

GCBC probably just tried to blend in and push people.

1) What? I don't understand your first two lines.
2) "You have way too much confidence in your reads bro," says the guy whose only reason for not voting Krab was because he sees scum all over his wagon.
3) Or he was scumhunting to look town and not get lynched. How is executing a fake dayvig gambit "blending in?"

Svenskt Stål · Post Post #1201 (ISO) » Sat May 11, 2013 6:25 am

In post 1196, Desperado wrote:
In post 1193, Svenskt Stål wrote:What we should be discussing is why
shield
killed GCBC.
Who cares? GCBC is dead and he wasn't town, that's all that matters. How is talking about why going to help us catch scum?

I dont even know how to comment on this.... have you ever played scum? Do you throw a dice on who to kill?

If you dont throw a dice on who to kill, or use any other means of randomness then i can conclude that you use your kills in a way that benefits you.

Am I making sense?

This is THE MOST important piece of the puzzle right now.

Desperado · Post Post #1202 (ISO) » Sat May 11, 2013 6:30 am

Yes, I have 3 completed scum games in the few months that I've been here and I've won twice. Do not condescend to me.

This is evidently a theory discussion about NK speculation. If you can actually answer my question rather than call me an idiot (again) then maybe we can move forward with it. What, specifically, will we gain by speculating on why Shield killed GCBC?

Svenskt Stål · Post Post #1203 (ISO) » Sat May 11, 2013 6:31 am

In post 1200, Desperado wrote:
In post 1198, Svenskt Stål wrote:
In post 1195, Desperado wrote:
In post 1187, Svenskt Stål wrote:Explain how the kill is bussing Krabs?

And who is genuinely scumhunting?

Krab and gcbc are not both scum, thats a known fact. This is the problem with viewing all "anti town factions" as group "scum". They can both be anti town, there is a big diffrence.
I said best case scenario
GCBC was bussing Krab
, as in Krab is also on aligned with Heyman. Alternatively, GCBC was genuinely scumhunting and caught Shield-aligned Krab.

And there is no functional difference. They are not aligned with the town, so they are scum. My role PM says that all threats to the town must be eliminated. It does not differentiate between threats, therefore anyone who is not aligned with me is scum. It is not a "known fact" that they are not both scum.
The diffrence my friend is in knowledge. Grouping them as "scum" takes away the element of them knowing eachothers alignments.
It is a known fact that they are not scum because gcbc was not scum.

So in your mind krab is either heyman or shield? You have way to much confidence in your reads bro.

GCBC probably just tried to blend in and push people.
1) What? I don't understand your first two lines.
2) "You have way too much confidence in your reads bro," says the guy whose only reason for not voting Krab was because he sees scum all over his wagon.
3) Or he was scumhunting to look town and not get lynched. How is executing a fake dayvig gambit "blending in?"

1. Lets say we have two groups of anti town... they are two groups because they do not know the other group. SO a player from group A would not know a player from group B, this effects their actions. You negate all this by grouping both factions together.

2. True, but I mean... what you are saying is that Krabs will fall anti town 100% of the town. What I had was major doubt and concern with the people voting Krabs. And krabs never was my front scum suspect, I feel like you are using words to paint me badly here.

3. Yes scumhunting to look towny, thats what I am saying. What is a fake dayvig gambit "bledning in"? i dont understand.

Svenskt Stål · Post Post #1204 (ISO) » Sat May 11, 2013 6:32 am

In post 1202, Desperado wrote:Yes, I have 3 completed scum games in the few months that I've been here and I've won twice. Do not condescend to me.

This is evidently a theory discussion about NK speculation. If you can actually answer my question rather than call me an idiot (again) then maybe we can move forward with it. What, specifically, will we gain by speculating on why Shield killed GCBC?

I did not call you an idiot? I just dont understand how someone who have played as scum can just go "wifom, lets not give a shit about the KILL"

I am not condencending, sorry if it felt that way. I was seriously asking.

Svenskt Stål · Post Post #1205 (ISO) » Sat May 11, 2013 6:37 am

Desperado, in my mind a person of the heyman faction does not know who the shield members are.

This, in my mind, is a 100% certainty. might be where we are seeing stuff dirfrently

Desperado · Post Post #1206 (ISO) » Sat May 11, 2013 6:40 am

1) Why are you treating me like I'm a child? I don't need you to explain to me how multiball works. And if you were actually reading what I was saying, you would know that I'm fully aware of this as well, considering I said that either GCBC was bussing Krab (i.e. they are on the same team and he knows he's scum) or GCBC was legitimately scumhunting and caught Shield-aligned Krab (i.e. they are on different teams and he didn't know he was scum). So why are you explaining this?
2) I am saying Krab is my scumread. I think he's scum. GCBC's death has no effect on that read. How am I using your words to paint you badly when that's what you said? You didn't have him as town but you refuse to lynch him because you were so confident about scum driving his wagon. Now you are chastizing me for being so confident in my read. This is a disconnect.
3) You said you thought GCBC was blending in and pushing on people. That is not the same as "scumhunting to look towny." My point was, how do ou reconcile "he was blending in" with "he executed a fake dayvig gambit?" That was the exact opposite of blending in.

PEdit: Did I say WIFOM? I said it's irrelevant. Why do you want to talk about the death instead of find scum? Why are you arguing with me about talking about the death instead of just...doing it? I'm not stopping you from doing whatever speculation you want, I'm merely making it known that in my opinion, trying to figure out why GCBC is dead--rather than just acknowledging it and moving on--is a waste of time.

So for the third time (yes you ignored it again),

what specifically do you hope to gain by speculating on the kill?

Desperado · Post Post #1207 (ISO) » Sat May 11, 2013 6:42 am

In post 1205, Svenskt Stål wrote:Desperado, in my mind a person of the heyman faction does not know who the shield members are.

This, in my mind, is a 100% certainty. might be where we are seeing stuff dirfrently

As I just outlined I don't see how I could have given the impression that I thought otherwise.

Mutleyddmc · Post Post #1208 (ISO) » Sat May 11, 2013 6:42 am

Can people stop saying krabs is their scum read. I've replaced him now so I am your scumread

Svenskt Stål · Post Post #1209 (ISO) » Sat May 11, 2013 6:46 am

DESP IF YOU DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT I HOPE TO GAIN FROM DEDUCING THE REASONING BEHIND THE SCUM KILL THEN I HAVE NO INTEREST DISCUSSING WITH YOU ANY FURTHER

ferretlover · Post Post #1210 (ISO) » Sat May 11, 2013 6:46 am

No, Krabs wouldn't be the scumread. The

slot

is the scumread.

Desperado · Post Post #1211 (ISO) » Sat May 11, 2013 6:47 am

In post 1208, Mutleyddmc wrote:Can people stop saying krabs is their scum read. I've replaced him now so I am your scumread

When you start playing and do something to warrant it, yes. You said on Thursday that you would catch up tomorrow, and it's Saturday.

If you need a starting point, how about this:

In post 1058, Mutleyddmc wrote:Oh brilliant lol. Any reason why I am scummy. Sorry I haven't read through yet haven't quite got the time to read 40 pages so for tonight I can intermittently post answers etc!
Should have probably let me replace squid and lynched krab!!
Might have been best for the town. I suppose I should claim. I am VT

This reads like a scumslip to me. Why should you have replaced in for Squid and lynched Krab if you know you are a VT?

Mutleyddmc · Post Post #1212 (ISO) » Sat May 11, 2013 6:48 am

Who says I haven't caught up. Pretty sure I've still posted stuff and played more than half of the players since I replaced

Mutleyddmc · Post Post #1213 (ISO) » Sat May 11, 2013 6:50 am

In post 1211, Desperado wrote:
In post 1208, Mutleyddmc wrote:Can people stop saying krabs is their scum read. I've replaced him now so I am your scumread
When you start playing and do something to warrant it, yes. You said on Thursday that you would catch up tomorrow, and it's Saturday.

If you need a starting point, how about this:

In post 1058, Mutleyddmc wrote:Oh brilliant lol. Any reason why I am scummy. Sorry I haven't read through yet haven't quite got the time to read 40 pages so for tonight I can intermittently post answers etc!
Should have probably let me replace squid and lynched krab!!
Might have been best for the town. I suppose I should claim. I am VT
This reads like a scumslip to me. Why should you have replaced in for Squid and lynched Krab if you know you are a VT?

Because from what I had been told it seemed krab was getting lynched and there was no replacement. That way at least you'd have lynched someone you all seemed scummy and had a player replacing the other slot, not too hard to understand

Desperado · Post Post #1214 (ISO) » Sat May 11, 2013 6:50 am

In post 1209, Svenskt Stål wrote:DESP IF YOU DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT I HOPE TO GAIN FROM DEDUCING THE REASONING BEHIND THE SCUM KILL THEN I HAVE NO INTEREST DISCUSSING WITH YOU ANY FURTHER

Is this really the response you want to go with? If it is, don't expect me to trust you again in this game.

I have to go to work soon so you'll have 8 hours without me around to bother you while you speculate on why GCBC is dead. If you find whatever it is that you were looking for, let me know.

RATEDR · Post Post #1215 (ISO) » Sat May 11, 2013 6:54 am

Is it possible for us to lynch Doctor C

RATEDR · Post Post #1216 (ISO) » Sat May 11, 2013 6:54 am

Like right now

ferretlover · Post Post #1217 (ISO) » Sat May 11, 2013 6:56 am

Why??

Svenskt Stål · Post Post #1218 (ISO) » Sat May 11, 2013 6:57 am

In post 1206, Desperado wrote:1) Why are you treating me like I'm a child? I don't need you to explain to me how multiball works. And if you were actually reading what I was saying, you would know that I'm fully aware of this as well, considering I said that either GCBC was bussing Krab (i.e. they are on the same team and he knows he's scum) or GCBC was legitimately scumhunting and caught Shield-aligned Krab (i.e. they are on different teams and he didn't know he was scum). So why are you explaining this?

This makes so little sense. You dont know if KRABS is good or bad, stop acting like it. IF ANYTHING krab is either town or shield

2) I am saying Krab is my scumread. I think he's scum. GCBC's death has no effect on that read. How am I using your words to paint you badly when that's what you said? You didn't have him as town but you refuse to lynch him because you were so confident about scum driving his wagon. Now you are chastizing me for being so confident in my read. This is a disconnect.

GCBC flip has no bearing on krabs other then that I find it unlikely of Krabs to be a heyman. It feels like you are going out of your way to not understand my logic. KRABS NEVER WAS MY NUMBER ONE SUSPECT, AND EVEN IF HE WAS I WOULD NOT HAVE VOTED HIM WITH THAT WAGON.

3) You said you thought GCBC was blending in and pushing on people. That is not the same as "scumhunting to look towny." My point was, how do ou reconcile "he was blending in" with "he executed a fake dayvig gambit?" That was the exact opposite of blending in.

No I am saying that GCBC was TRYING TO BLEND IN, I FOUND HIM VERY SCUMMY AND PUSHED HIM HARD

PEdit: Did I say WIFOM? I said it's irrelevant.
Why do you want to talk about the death instead of find scum?
Why are you arguing with me about talking about the death instead of just...doing it? I'm not stopping you from doing whatever speculation you want, I'm merely making it known that in my opinion, trying to figure out why GCBC is dead--rather than just acknowledging it and moving on--is a waste of time.

ZERO, amount of sense it makes.

I am asking for opinions because A, I have no clue, and B, other people know the tendencies of MS better than me.

So for the third time (yes you ignored it again),
what specifically do you hope to gain by speculating on the kill?

RATEDR · Post Post #1219 (ISO) » Sat May 11, 2013 6:58 am

He's scum

ferretlover · Post Post #1220 (ISO) » Sat May 11, 2013 6:59 am

How do you know?

Svenskt Stål · Post Post #1221 (ISO) » Sat May 11, 2013 7:00 am

Lol rated.

Wow so much happening right now OMG

ferret, rated is someone we can lynch soon.

RATEDR · Post Post #1222 (ISO) » Sat May 11, 2013 7:00 am

In post 1220, ferretlover wrote:How do you know?

I haven't been paying that much attention to the thread but I think he's a better lynch than most of the wagons up right now

Svenskt Stål · Post Post #1223 (ISO) » Sat May 11, 2013 7:02 am

Lol.

Yeah I have alot of people i wanna lynch

RATED, FUZZY, MALCOLM

^first tier suspects.

RATEDR · Post Post #1224 (ISO) » Sat May 11, 2013 7:04 am

Why are those people your suspect