WWE Believe in the Shield

[Mutleyddmc]

Jeff Hardy v The Undertaker, Ladder Match (Raw, July 1 2002)

Votecount 1.17:

Jebus (1)-

Fuzzyman,

RATEDR (1)-

ferretlover

ferretlover (1)-

RATEDR

Svenskt Stål (1)-

Amethyst Actor

Not voting (16)-

Jebus, Darthe, ArcAngel9, Desperado, penguin_alien, Doctor C. Niall DeMencha, xMALCOLMx, Mutleyddmc, Ravenpaw, petapan, Skullduggery, MonkeyMan576, TheEsquire, The Goat, Svenskt Stål, Nero Cain

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch. Deadline is at 3pm GMT on Saturday 19th May 2013

Looks like the kill also resets all votes.

Vote: mutleyddmc

It did say that after the kill maybe you should read. After accusing me of not catching up!!! Thought you were going away for 8 hours? Doesn't seem to have gone.

[MonkeyMan576]

Rated, yes i know you are a hydra, i dont understand why that matters

You were replying to SGR, SGR HAS been reading the thread. The person you are talking about is me

Oh. what is sgr short for?

Anyway, who are your suspects and top townies then?

SGR, SGRaaize

I think most of the hydras is town, I dont see Malcom as a good lynch today since his posting looks town to me.

Scum are Doctor C, MonkeyMan, and possibly Ferretlover atm.

I've done a short skim of this thread and that's how my reads have changed anyway

Being a hydra does not make you town. GCBC was a hydra and he was scum. Lumping the hydra's together as if they have some commonality seems like some stupid way of trying to make yourself look more pro town.

[Svenskt Stål]

I am voting malcolm.

[MonkeyMan576]

Just want to make sure your vote stays there.

[RATEDR]

Rated, yes i know you are a hydra, i dont understand why that matters

You were replying to SGR, SGR HAS been reading the thread. The person you are talking about is me

Oh. what is sgr short for?

Anyway, who are your suspects and top townies then?

SGR, SGRaaize

I think most of the hydras is town, I dont see Malcom as a good lynch today since his posting looks town to me.

Scum are Doctor C, MonkeyMan, and possibly Ferretlover atm.

I've done a short skim of this thread and that's how my reads have changed anyway

Being a hydra does not make you town. GCBC was a hydra and he was scum. Lumping the hydra's together as if they have some commonality seems like some stupid way of trying to make yourself look more pro town.

Incidentally GCBC was one of our scum reads though

Anyway Im not saying that being a hydra MAKES you town, Im saying the hydras look town

[Svenskt Stål]

SGR, SGRaaize

I think most of the hydras is town, I dont see Malcom as a good lynch today since his posting looks town to me.

Scum are Doctor C, MonkeyMan, and possibly Ferretlover atm.

I've done a short skim of this thread and that's how my reads have changed anyway

Dare I ask for reasoning.

[ferretlover]

@RATEDR This is why I think that hydras should be illegal...

[Svenskt Stål]

Just want to make sure your vote stays there.

Well mister bossy pants, I like to think of myself as flexible, and if malcolm starts doing things that looks good I will switch. My vote is mostly a whip in the early days. But the willingness is there.

[Nero Cain]

Not despo, my read is noob town. Goat is okay but not great. Keep pressure on malcolm, nacho should be able to come across as town if he is one.

personally I think its an alt but its not like I can prove it. Didn't you have him as scum at one point? What made you down grade your read?

Why is petapan a town read, Monkey?

[MonkeyMan576]

Instead of looking at hydras why don't we look at people on the Krab wagon and figure out which of those are scum since the Malcolm wagon was gaining steam when GCBC was killed.

[MonkeyMan576]

Not despo, my read is noob town. Goat is okay but not great. Keep pressure on malcolm, nacho should be able to come across as town if he is one.

personally I think its an alt but its not like I can prove it. Didn't you have him as scum at one point? What made you down grade your read?

Why is petapan a town read, Monkey?

He seems to be pretty genuine and logical in his questioning.

[Svenskt Stål]

Desp has been town, then scum.

But after our "discussion" about the nk i just think he comes from a town state of mind. Cant precise it more but I mean, I think the inexperience shows and that he really wants to figure stuff out.

Lets give him time. We could also read his scum games.

But yeah, I think there are like 8 people i could kill before desp.

Agree with your question regarding why peta is town.

[Svenskt Stål]

Instead of looking at hydras why don't we look at people on the Krab wagon and figure out which of those are scum since the Malcolm wagon was gaining steam when GCBC was killed.

Scum will never crowd a wagon in my experience. So focusing on that wagon when we dont even know krabs alignment is not good imo.

Not saying you are wrong but do you see a connection between the gcbc kill and the malcolm wagon?...I mean there is a connection, but what would the logic be for killing gcbc in that case? or did you just explain that and i misunderstood

[MonkeyMan576]

I'm not saying scum are "crowding" the Krab wagon, but I'm willing to bet 3 or 4 of them are scum.

The connection between the Krab wagon and the Malcolm wagon is that they are competing wagons. One is likely town and one is likely scum.

What I need to do is reread the thread and figure out who was defending GCBC.

[Svenskt Stål]

I'm not saying scum are "crowding" the Krab wagon, but I'm willing to bet 3 or 4 of them are scum.

Thats crowding... considering that the scum team is 3 players. You are also sounding like desp here, there is no reason to belive that scum are crowding krabs wagon.

The connection between the Krab wagon and the Malcolm wagon is that they are competing wagons.

One is likely town and one is likely scum.

This is a dangerous leap. You make a case based on that leap. I can see both wagons being town... both can be anti town too... until we get some flips there is no way to know. I think we should look at individual actions and not focus entirely on who people voted.

What I need to do is reread the thread and figure out who was defending GCBC.

Good. Ametysth actor comes to mind, since i first started pushing gcbc aa has been defending without much reasoning if i remember correctly

[Nero Cain]

petapan says

desperado is slightly above scum on my list i think because he asked for a claim from sven after the fake dayvig which is scumshit but i haven't noticed anything otherwise

Despo says

No I didn't. I was asking GoodCopBadCop to claim. Sven wasn't even present IIRC

petapan says

oh i'm an idiot i just reread that ok read rescinded

Nero says

I don't really understand this part.

Why would you think it was scummy of Despo to ask Sven to claim?

Why is he no longer scummy for asking GCBC to claim after the fake daykill?

Despo says

Unless I'm mistaken you're the only one who thinks this. You've made no effort to engage me in a discussion about it, despite multiple efforts on my part, choosing instead to just keep parroting it as if the matter is already settled...to the point where I'm beginning to think it's just not worth mentioning anymore. If you aren't going to make a good faith effort, then why should I?

Nero says

I'm obviously asking Petapan a question and I don't get why you are butting in said discussion.

despo says

Because the question that you're asking a) directly involves me and b) directly involves a line of questioning I've been asking you about for over a dozen pages now.

So what? If you are scum its not like I'm going to convince you that you are. I didn't like your reaction. That's my opinion. You obviously don't like my opinion but I'm entitled to it. Your not going to change my mind so stop trying to. In some post I asked about PetaPan about your reaction to the fakedaykill. He said the above and you corrected him. To me it sounded a lot like he just mixed up names, but that's how I read it. so I'm just curious why he thought you were scummy for asking Sven to claim but he didn't think you were scummy for asking GCBC to claim.

[The Goat]

oo oo oo Despo and Goat are gonna distance from each other.

This would be awesome if I hadn't listed Despo as one of my earliest scum reads. You didn't like that. I didn't change it. You didn't like that. I didn't give a shit. Then I stated that I really didn't like ANOTHER of his posts. He asked me to read. I said I would. You snuck in and stated that I was now trying to DISTANCE myself from Despo.

This may be the dumbest accusation I've seen outside of a Jim Carrey movie.

In any instance, I've seen enough. I have utterly had enough of you and your stupidity.

Unvote, vote Nero Cain.

Eat it, scumbag.

[Svenskt Stål]

thats some elite qouteing.

i couldnt follow everything in that post... somone asked someone to claim...and someone thinks its scummy or not scummy


EDIT. goat, wtf are you doing, do you want to die?

[The Goat]

And...by the way, Nero...did you not like where I was on the GCBC wagon? JUST CHECKING.

[ferretlover]

That just increased my scumread on Goat^

[ferretlover]

Just to clarify, 1291 was what my last post was talking about.

[Svenskt Stål]

i just saw the vote and went "wtf lol scum obv"...

But goat, your post is kinda good, but for the love of god unvote

[Svenskt Stål]

And...by the way, Nero...did you not like where I was on the GCBC wagon? JUST CHECKING.

well that is really just saying that you are less likely to be heyman, you could still be shield

[The Goat]

i just saw the vote and went "wtf lol scum obv"...

But goat, your post is kinda good, but for the love of god unvote

Explain.

[The Goat]

That just increased my scumread on Goat^

If there was any way to give less of a shit...I would.