Newbie 1371: Max Steel, Max Finished!

[Sakura Hana]

Well if you're going to be that way, then fine:
My first vote on you was pretty much reaction testing, when i realized i got nothing out of it, i unvoted.
My second vote on you was because I agreed with Majiffy and patzer's arguments against you, i had nothing to add to it, and i said as much in my voting post on you.

After re-reading patzer's post 133

(how did i miss it in the first place? X_X) yeah this kinda looks odd to me
VOTE: PhD
Maybe additional pressure will help

And I even mentioned before then that i was going to wait on Majiffy's case before making a decission.

Alright, then i wont vote until i see said case or i find someone scummy then

The answers that i seeked are:
1. You seem pretty nervous about being voted rather than relaxed, and instead try to divert attention to someone else who's been scumhunting by reaction testing rather than scumhunting yourself.
2. What is the scum motivation behind my actions? Adding pressure only helps me get reactions so that i know if you're scum or town, but right now i'm leaning scum.

From your reaction, so far i'm leaning more scum on you, you haven't provided why my actions are scummy, and didn't even throw in the chance that i was reaction testing you with my first vote, and you still haven't replied to Majiffy and patzer's accusations with other than "I messed up because i'm a newbie".
My reasons have always been there, you just ignored them and you're trying to divert attention to me, why would you ignore or misrep me?.
If i'm truly scum, then tell me what's the scum motivation behind my actions?

[anorway]

UNVOTE: Majiffy

You have some good arguments against PhD, and PhD has been acting a bit odd, but I still feel he's newbtown though. Don't see all the scumminess in his posts.

Also, I'm going to be

V/LA until Tuesday 14th,

I may be able to pop in to keep up with the posts, but there's some important stuff coming up so don't expect me to post anything.

[Nachomamma8]

Votecount 1.4:

Does Bo Know (1): ArcAngel9
anorway (1): freezing-hell
PHDScar (3): Majiffy, patzer, Sakura Hana

Not Voting (4): PHDScar, Does Bo Know, TMTOLBTWNTOF, anorway

freezing-hell is V/LA for (expired on 2013-05-12 12:00:00)
anorway is V/LA for (expired on 2013-05-14 12:00:00)

ArcAngel9 has been prodded.

[TMTOLBTWNTOF]

The answers that i seeked are:

sought

And I feel that PHD, your accusations on Sakura really don't seem that valid to me. Just because someone's vote falls with the general town vote doesn't mean they're scum. It's quite possible that she might have been convinced by the reasoning of others and unvoted.

1. You seem pretty nervous about being voted rather than relaxed, and instead try to divert attention to someone else who's been scumhunting by reaction testing rather than scumhunting yourself.
2. What is the scum motivation behind my actions? Adding pressure only helps me get reactions so that i know if you're scum or town, but right now i'm leaning scum.

1. It really feels like you're reaching for that. You seem pretty nervous about being voted? Of course he would be nervous.
2. This is really bizarre. First you say he shouldn't be reaction testing, and you are reaction testing. And you're saying he shouldn't be nervous, yet you are putting pressure on him.

I think with my previous FOS on you, I'm going to VOTE: Sakura Hana

[TMTOLBTWNTOF]

Here are my reading on all the players.

anorway: Null. A few townreads, a few scumreads, but they're all too weak to really give notice to.
patzer: Null. Slight scum, most of posts have little to no content, and usually are attacking PHD for things that I really feel are noobslips.
TMTOLBTWNTOF: No comment.
PHD: Null, I really can't read him, but I believe that most of the attacks on him are unjustified.
Sakura Hana: Scum. Contradicts and circular logic. Wagons, but that's really weak as well. See previous post.
Majiffy: Town. I know I said he was scum before, but I'm doing a 180 here because his actions seem town to me. Validated reasoning for the most part and gives a town vibe to me.
freezing-hell: Null (V/LA)
ArcAngel9: Null (Mostly inactive) and posts are generally unreadable to me.
Does Bo Know: Town. Notices stuff and gives reads.

Note that I am still a noob and these reads aren't the reads of a seasoned player.

Also, as this is a noob game, I'm hoping that bussing isn't happening.

Sakura and PHD not both mafia
Majiffy and PHD not both mafia

Only bus reads for now.

[Sakura Hana]

I didn't say he shouldn't be reaction testing, where did i say that?

[PhDScar]

I'm going to follow TMTOLBTWNTOF's lead and give a reading on everyone.

People who haven't done anything so I can't really get a read on at all: Anorway, Freezing hell, and ArcAngel whom even went as far as to get prodded.
To these people I want you to post your own reads.

Majiffy: I thought he was scum for the longest time. I thought this because he spent a large chunk of the game saying “PhD is scum” but not giving any reason. After reading his reasons for calling me scum I think they are well founded and well argued. Making me believe firmly he is Town.

Patzer: He is calling me out on things that aren't founded at all. I don't think he is scum though. Maybe he just worded his arguments poorly or wanted to justify his vote but not say what Majiffy had already covered.

TMTOLBTWNTOF: Is probably town. He is there to voice his opinion even when most people don't agree with shows he isn't desperate to fit in. He also we give well written arguments for why he votes but quickly retracts when his opinion changes. Not giving some excuse of "keeping pressure" and leaving it but actually explaining what made his mind change.

Does Bo Know: He seems town but I would feel even more secure of this if he gave his feeling of other players more.

Sakura Hana: Scum. Her reasoning and arguments make no sense and are even contradicting. She has also been waggoning this entire game, not super scummy on its own but in this context it adds up.

PhD: Cool guy... Not applicable

VOTE: Sakura Hana

[Sakura Hana]

I still haven't got an answer about the scum motivation behind my actions PhD, could you please stop ignoring the question? and what about my arguments makes no sense or is contradictory?. Considering you've been misrepping me I don't expect a good answer, but I might as well try to get a good answer out of you.

[TMTOLBTWNTOF]

Sorry, but I might have misinterpreted.

divert attention to someone else who's been scumhunting by reaction testing rather than scumhunting yourself.

You're saying you're scumhunting when you're reaction testing, and saying PHD is not scumhunting when he is reaction testing.

[Sakura Hana]

No i'm saying he's diverting attention to

someone else who's been scumhunting by reaction testing

rather than scumhunting himself.

The whole underlined part refers to the same person, my apologies if it sounded awkward.

[TMTOLBTWNTOF]

Oh. I apologize for misinterpreting.

Well, my other points still stand.

Also, I really don't sit well with PHD not taking the initiative and voting someone who he thinks is scum. This could be chalked down to general noobiness or caution to the fact that he is at L-2, but the fact that he waited for someone's support is somewhat bizarre.

[Sakura Hana]

So basically the only thing on me you have is the waggons? I did have my reasons for voting or are you suggesting that I shouldn't vote someone with votes on them even if I have my reasons?

[PhDScar]

Oh. I apologize for misinterpreting.

Well, my other points still stand.

Also, I really don't sit well with PHD not taking the initiative and voting someone who he thinks is scum. This could be chalked down to general noobiness or caution to the fact that he is at L-2, but the fact that he waited for someone's support is somewhat bizarre.

I'm going to admit it. I did wait for you to vote Sakura because I'm L-2. I was worried someone might accuse me. Saying that it was somehow scummy and making this situation worse for me. So I waited until someone also shared my opinion and cast a vote. It made me feel a lot safer it also validated that I was on the right track thinking she is scum.

[Sakura Hana]

it also validated that I was on the right track thinking she is scum.

Care to explain why am I scum? I still haven't gotten a clear reason from you other than ignoring or misrepping my posts
Pretty much same question I asked They may take our lives but they will not take our freedom

[PhDScar]

it also validated that I was on the right track thinking she is scum.

Care to explain why am I scum? I still haven't gotten a clear reason from you other than ignoring or misrepping my posts
Pretty much same question I asked They may take our lives but they will not take our freedom

I've explained why I think you're scum before already. You keep hopping on and off my wagon with no or a weak explanation. Also when directly questioned on why you were voting me you ignored it and played it off as a joke. I'm not going to speak for TMTOLBTWNTO but I think he gave an even better argument for being scum with even more evidence than I did and you're ignoring it. Also you keep saying I'm "misrepresenting" you. If I am then show how I did that. Provide the evidence I "misrepresented" you instead of just repeating the same statement.

After re-reading patzer's post 133 (how did i miss it in the first place? X_X) yeah this kinda looks odd to me
VOTE: PhD
Maybe additional pressure will help

Additional pressure will help what exactly?

Telling you would spoil the fun

Want to stop doing that tongue for all your posts you seem to think are clever it's just sort of obnoxious.

[Majiffy]

Nnnnot reading this page till tomorrow.

[Sakura Hana]

Sorry I'm kind of used to used that emoticon everywhere, pay it no mind it's just some sort of reflex i've developed when posting on forums in general, tho i'll try to reduce it.

Sakura Hana: Scum.

Her reasoning and arguments make no sense and are even contradicting

. She has also been waggoning this entire game, not super scummy on its own but in this context it adds up.

The bolded part is why i think you're misrepping me, what doesn't make sense about my arguments and why are they contradicting?.
About the waggoning part, I already mentioned my reasons for voting you, and I asked you a question, but since you weren't paying attention I'll ask the same question again:
Is there any scum motivation behind voting someone with reasons when there are already votes on them? If so then I could say you're scummy for voting me when TMTWOLB-whatchamacallit was already voting me... see the issue on that?

From my PoV you could be buddying him, or you could be scum buds tunneling me, if anything your argument is weaker than what has been provided so far, I'm just kind of wondering why TMT (i rather will just shorten it to that) is defending you so fevereshly, just because you're new? or there might be something else?.

I had asked you, what's the scum motivation behind me voting you, you keep mentioning "Joining waggons" so explain what is this "Joining waggons" business because otherwise what I mentioned in the first paragraph applies as "Joining waggons"

[TMTOLBTWNTOF]

TMTWOLB-whatchamacallit

Hue this is funny.

why TMT is defending you so fevereshly

Because I think that the attacks on him were unjustified.

you could be buddying him, or you could be scum buds tunneling me

These are both reasonable assumptions. The former more than the latter.
Tunneling? Really? I'm pretty obviously not tunneling you.

Note that I never said I thought PHD was town. My read on him is Null, and possibly leaning very slightly scum, but I'm still buying into the noob card as of now. All I'm saying is that the attacks on him, as of now, I do not believe are lines of reasoning that lead to scum.

Finally, please address these points, Sakura

1. It really feels like you're reaching for that. You seem pretty nervous about being voted? Of course he would be nervous.
2. And you're saying he shouldn't be nervous, yet you are putting pressure on him.

You seem to be doing a pretty good job ignoring them.

[TMTOLBTWNTOF]

Also I'm up late because of AP Bio cramming. Fun.

[ArcAngel9]

prod received, am out till Monday morning.
will catch up on Monday.. sorry

[patzer]

Patzer: ...wanted to justify his vote but not say what Majiffy had already covered.

This is correct. I saw several arguments against you but chose to mention those that Majiffy had not already mentioned.

[Majiffy]

UNVOTE: PhD

DBK hurry up.

[freezing-hell]

Hey guys, Im back later today and will have good internet again. I''ll catch up then.
PhDscar, I wasnt prodded. I was V LA.

[PhDScar]

Hey guys, Im back later today and will have good internet again. I''ll catch up then.
PhDscar, I wasnt prodded. I was V LA.

I said ArchAngel was prodded.

[PhDScar]

Here it is the long awaited (but not really) response to Majiffy’s case on me

Spoiler:

Hello.

Wow a lot of votes without anyone actually doing anything that's... unfair. I guess I'll do the same.

I'm not voting for Does Bo Know because I love Scrubs and not Majiffy because he made me laugh.

I do agree with Patzer so I too shall vote for TMTOLBTWNTOF for having one of the stupidest usernames I have ever seen in all my years of using the internet.

VOTE: TMTOLBTWBTOF

Bolded:

What?

Underlined: Buddying.
Italicized: Trying to add credence to an RVS vote.

To the bolded section: That was just a bad joke. At the time I had no idea what RVS was I just new you guys were kidding around but I wasn't sure why. So I expressed my confusion as a joke.

To the underlined: I was just being friendly. I do like to be friendly to people I just meet especially since I have never played this game before. On the other hand I can from friendly to anger very easily because I have low tolerance for people. I'll come back to that.

To the italicized: A lot of people were giving joke reasons to their votes so i followed example.

VOTE: TMTOLBTWNTOF
For having an annoying username.

VOTE: anorway
Once a scum, always a scum.

You were scum last game!

VOTE: Does Bo Know

Are you trying to defend your name? Not working I hate Mel Gibson.

Subtle push on the wagon while still playing it off as RVS/joke.[/quote]

Okay maybe i could see this except for one key factor. If i was going to try and turn an RVS into a (what's that term for people lynching something as a joke it's called hammer something?) then why didn't i join with more votes to start. Anorway was at L-2 and Bo L-3.

Not really it's just that I was the only who hadn't voted so I went with any reason I could think of to cast a vote.

Not a town mindset. Why so worried about fitting in?[/quote]

Of course I'm worried about fitting in. I'm in a new complicated game with people i have never met before. Also this game sort of depends on people liking you no matter what side you're on.

More buddying in 31, 32. Not worth quoting.

Bo strated it.

That covers my original vote. The following are poor reactions since my vote that have reinforced my believe that PhD is scum.

Extremely weak vote.

48 is a possible testing-of-the-waters to find out what he could feasibly get away with pushing.

That whole post was a stupid move by me. All i wanted to do was try and make sense of everyone’s post and see if we could reach a consensus. It was me forcing basically my opinion on to everyone and was stupid. It annoyed people and I’m sorry. I did actually think us all agreeing to that would be helpful. Also i no longer even agree with that opinion. As I learned it would most likely help scum over town.

49 and 50 bear no mention of my very serious vote on PhD.

I had no idea it was a serious vote at the time no one did. Also Bo had already questioned you about so I was waiting for the answer.

66 (as I've brought up) is a caught-scum reaction when presented with no case they can defend against. I draw particular attention to the last two sentences and the facepalm emoticon. This is not a town mindset.

As I said earlier I have a low tolerance for people. Especially stupid people or people who think they are funny but aren't. At the time I thought you were one or the other and quickly rushed out an angry "What the fuck is wrong with you" response. If I actually stopped to think about I probably would of thought it was a joke and ignored because again at that point most people thought you were RVSing. I don't even understand how using a face palm emoticon is not "town".

78 appears to be trying to play off a wagon as "no big deal". Also mentions that he's 'ready to do a serious vote'... Where is it?

I didn't think it was a big deal. Two of the people voting seemed to think it was a joke wagon and I wasn't worried about having one vote on me. Going to respond to the second half next.

82 "I haven't discovered anything"... Then why were you 'ready to do a serious vote' if you had no serious target?

Okay this was me being all around idiotic. I actually thought this at the time. "If I say let's get serious instantly everyone will have a million reasons and ideas why everyone else is scum and this will pick up” : facepalm: . I was just getting bored and had no idea how to get the game into serious mode. So I gave that a try.

So vote PhD.

I think most of your argument is based on stuff i did after you voted me but you seem to think that my pre vote stuff is still a strong case. There a full proper response it's something i have been putting off due to laziness but now I've done it.