Mini 1449 - Ordinary Town

[Daemon385]

And I'm the only one to draw some attention to you for sheeping and providing nothing, and conveniently I'm a new scum read! Very interesting.

I'm wary of these "hmmm, very interesting"-posts. Implying scumminess without saying it directly. Inviting everyone to question a certain behavior while avoid responsibility. Not a good colour on you.

@ Dyslexicon Can you tell me which "Hmm, very interesting posts? Also I feel like he has been doing that a bit throughout the game if not openly but subtle.

@Ac1983fan That is a good question but I think he evenly split up a good amount about himself and others the one phrase above that I have bolded was actually about me being suspected a bit by Scott for what he thought was me jumping on him after (from quite a while before I even casted the vote) that I had voted him as a counter for drawing attention to me. Though I've had a lot of people question that fact already as I am sure you already know. Though I guess he could also just be catching up =P

[ac1983fan]

Oh, that's my error. I though scott's 215 was directed at Dyslexicon b/c of how it was quoted. DERP. ~ignore me~

[Daemon385]

No it's fine didn't mean that to attack you just inform you all good mate.

[Dyslexicon]

@ Dyslexicon Can you tell me which "Hmm, very interesting posts? Also I feel like he has been doing that a bit throughout the game if not openly but subtle.

It was the one you quoted that made me suspicious. The reason why I said post

s

was because I've become wary of these kind of formulation in general.

Oh, that's my error. I though scott's 215 was directed at Dyslexicon b/c of how it was quoted. DERP. ~ignore me~

I was about to correct you, but you have autocorrect. Jumpy move though, especially considered your post 231. Your initial translation of my vote was not correct either. I don't see it readily fit with your conservative voting, but I must admit I do love a unique style.

[Daemon385]

Fair enough Dys just curious thank you!

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

Going to try and get a conversation in with my human half soon, but last I checked both of us like Varsoon for town, so that wagon needs some healthy explaining.

[hp [leaves]]

Good on scott for making logical points, but both scum and town can do this. I don't see much noteworthy townish in Scotts posts. If your reasoning for thinking "good stuff" includes that he's made logical points and has "not bad" parts and a lot of null, I think that's questionable at best.

Good logic is usually backed by real motivation to hunt scum; therefore a towntell. Scott has made town posts.

I like Cage's post on Toomai. It has nice points. I think we need more people on the Toomai wagon. Failing that, Cage is still a good target.

[Cheery Pie]

[...] last I checked both of us like Varsoon for town, so that wagon needs some healthy explaining.

Perhaps you could explain how several "guys I'm town" statements lead to a town read? Two votes isn't exactly a wagon either.

[Toomai]

Multiple people have said I'm "a good wagon". I presume this is for one of three reasons:

1. You want me lynched because you think I'm scum.
2. You want to make me claim.
3. You want to pressure me into doing something.

Anyone feel like sharing their reason?

[Varsoon]

Vote: Scott

Toomai, those are the reasons why you would vote anyone.

[GoodCopBadCop]

I would not be surprised if rainbowjake ended up flipping scum

-bc

[hapahauli]

UNVOTE: Toomai

I'm not as convinced as I was of his guilt. I looked over some of his town games, and his activity levels/posting style isn't THAT much different from here. His posting certainly makes it difficult to read his alignment, but it's not a scumtell afaik.

The three players I have clear scumreads on are

Nic Cage

,

GBGC

, and

Scott

. I'll explain a bit more in detail later, but here's the rundown:

Nic Cage

- Useless lurker showing more interest in "smoking weed" than playing the game.

Spoiler:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2TO5atI4rU

GBGC

- Definition of an active lurker.

Bad Cop

is plenty content to call people scum and "poke" them, but literally has 0 actual scumhunting analysis in his filter (Seriously, look at it). Most of

Good Cop

's posting/analysis has been based on him not catching up with the game. Since he's caught up, this is his only analysis:

- I agree with BC's Varsoon vote. All his posts are IIoA.
- Scott is slight town due to him having similar thoughts to me.
- Cage is slight scum at best, I don't see good enough reasons to lynch him now. There are more scummy players.

I've read the whole game now.

- GC

Hapa's case on Toomai was okay, not that good though.

Scott Brosius

- While his inactivity is somewhat standard for his normal town-play, I'm just not at all satisfied with his content. For example, there are posts where he heavily insinuates suspicion on players and doesn't do anything to follow up on them. Case in point:

I would disagree with me giving half a dick about this game. I simply have a little experience in regards to this type of mafia. The reason I am voting Nic is because he has just been wrenching at my gut for quite a while now and he is giving me no reason not to. Something doesn't register right with him. Finals or not if true is understandable, but that still doesn't keep me from being suspicious of him. I also don't trust Scott so much because in my opinion a lot what he says seems scummy.

And I'm the only one to draw some attention to you for sheeping and providing nothing, and conveniently I'm a new scum read! Very interesting.

"You're scum... INTERESTING... does anyone want to bite?"

He has a lot of these short insinuations of suspicion of various players.

On Varsoon...

Oh good a list of baseless reads. Exactly what I meant.

On Daemon...

Out of everything that has happened since your previous post to this one, THIS is the one point you make?

On Dyslexicon...

Don't like this at all. The blatant sheeping with no addition, then the following post is just empty talk about everyone agreeing? Looks like filler. Still like my Varsoon vote, but Dys is my second choice.

On Myself...

My concern is that you unvoted immediately after a single post saying I GUESS WE CAN EXPECT MORE CONTENT! Yet after I post its HEY GONNA POST MORE?! My issue is with you treating people differently for similar circumstances. So to fawn to your demands, the answer is yes.

On ac1983fan...

I don't understand the unvote and lack of revote if that is all that sticks out. This is not town behavior.

And what's more about all of this.. he just seems really... angry. He has a very critical tone, and seems like he's going after players because he's critical of their playstyle rather than because he thinks they're actually scummy. I'm unsure how much of this observation is me being potentially confirmation biased, so I'll look at it again and attempt to articulate it better.

[hapahauli]

I would not be surprised if rainbowjake ended up flipping scum

-bc

Rationale? This is getting pretty old.

For that matter, what

is

your rationale for voting Varsoon at this point?

^^I don't like that post.

Both GoodCop and I could see Varsoon as scum, and neither of us have townreads on Vars, while Hapa is now a townread of GC's.

I also don't like how he responded to my poking around as though I'm being lame instead of just prodding for reactions. I don't remember you sticking out your ass for us?

-BadCop

You're basically voting him because you could "see him as scum" and because you don't have a town-read on him.

[Daemon385]

UNVOTE: Toomai

I'm not as convinced as I was of his guilt. I looked over some of his town games, and his activity levels/posting style isn't THAT much different from here. His posting certainly makes it difficult to read his alignment, but it's not a scumtell afaik.

The three players I have clear scumreads on are

Nic Cage

,

GBGC

, and

Scott

. I'll explain a bit more in detail later, but here's the rundown:

Nic Cage

- Useless lurker showing more interest in "smoking weed" than playing the game.

Spoiler:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2TO5atI4rU

GBGC

- Definition of an active lurker.

Bad Cop

is plenty content to call people scum and "poke" them, but literally has 0 actual scumhunting analysis in his filter (Seriously, look at it). Most of

Good Cop

's posting/analysis has been based on him not catching up with the game. Since he's caught up, this is his only analysis:

- I agree with BC's Varsoon vote. All his posts are IIoA.
- Scott is slight town due to him having similar thoughts to me.
- Cage is slight scum at best, I don't see good enough reasons to lynch him now. There are more scummy players.

I've read the whole game now.

- GC

Hapa's case on Toomai was okay, not that good though.

Scott Brosius

- While his inactivity is somewhat standard for his normal town-play, I'm just not at all satisfied with his content. For example, there are posts where he heavily insinuates suspicion on players and doesn't do anything to follow up on them. Case in point:

I would disagree with me giving half a dick about this game. I simply have a little experience in regards to this type of mafia. The reason I am voting Nic is because he has just been wrenching at my gut for quite a while now and he is giving me no reason not to. Something doesn't register right with him. Finals or not if true is understandable, but that still doesn't keep me from being suspicious of him. I also don't trust Scott so much because in my opinion a lot what he says seems scummy.

And I'm the only one to draw some attention to you for sheeping and providing nothing, and conveniently I'm a new scum read! Very interesting.

"You're scum... INTERESTING... does anyone want to bite?"

He has a lot of these short insinuations of suspicion of various players.

On Varsoon...

Oh good a list of baseless reads. Exactly what I meant.

On Daemon...

Out of everything that has happened since your previous post to this one, THIS is the one point you make?

On Dyslexicon...

Don't like this at all. The blatant sheeping with no addition, then the following post is just empty talk about everyone agreeing? Looks like filler. Still like my Varsoon vote, but Dys is my second choice.

On Myself...

My concern is that you unvoted immediately after a single post saying I GUESS WE CAN EXPECT MORE CONTENT! Yet after I post its HEY GONNA POST MORE?! My issue is with you treating people differently for similar circumstances. So to fawn to your demands, the answer is yes.

On ac1983fan...

I don't understand the unvote and lack of revote if that is all that sticks out. This is not town behavior.

And what's more about all of this.. he just seems really... angry. He has a very critical tone, and seems like he's going after players because he's critical of their playstyle rather than because he thinks they're actually scummy. I'm unsure how much of this observation is me being potentially confirmation biased, so I'll look at it again and attempt to articulate it better.

In regards to you bit on Scott, thank you! That is what I was mentioning in my post #250, but with much more detail! I've had the similar things appear like that from him as well which again is a reason he is one of my main two scum reads right now. He hasn't proven much other reasons for me to think other wise and I honestly don't think he will. So maybe your not as biased as you think.

I'm still not sure on GCBC yet though. But I have a question for him. GCBC if there are other more "scummy" players to get instead of NicCage who are they? Would you be able to enlighten up on who you think is a bigger threat? Obviously you seem hard struck on Varsoon, but why does he seem more scummy to you then NicCage? Or anyone else for that matter? Your pointing fingers but not giving much reason if any about what.

PS. I lol'ed at the video hapa xD

[GoodCopBadCop]

@Hapa

You're basically voting him because you could "see him as scum" and because you don't have a town-read on him.

Wrong. We're voting him because all of his posts are IIoA. If he's town, he'd probably the worst player i've seen in my life. He has no interest in finding scum. He's interested in buddying up to you so he can carry on doing nothing.
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@Daemon

GCBC if there are other more "scummy" players to get instead of NicCage who are they? Would you be able to enlighten up on who you think is a bigger threat? Obviously you seem hard struck on Varsoon, but why does he seem more scummy to you then NicCage?

The scummy players I see are Varsoon and hp slightly. I've only just caught up, i'll have to go back and read in depth to see if I find anyone else scummy.

The reason I prefer Varsoon to Cage is because some have been jumping on the Cage waggon with little or no reasoning. Also, unlike Varsoon, i've seen him explain his reads, which is good. Varsoon is mainly buddying up to hapa (successfully, it seems) and he posts a lot of fluff.
The main scummy thing i've seen Cage do is try to deflect suspicion away from himself with "why me and not X?". That's not enough for a lynch and he's starting to explain himself from what i've seen.

I can remember getting scummy vibes from hp, i'll have to look back to see why. Call it gut for now.

Can you remind me why Cage is scum?

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

^^This is why I'm happy that I'm w/ GC

but seriously I just want to say that ALL of rainbowjake's reads are like the polar opposite of me and GC's

which isn't a scumtell in itself, but seriously gets annoying

-BC

[Varsoon]

GCBC, fluff is the stuff that takes up whole pages and says nothing.

Now, why aren't you down with the Scott wagon?

[GoodCopBadCop]

GCBC, fluff is the stuff that takes up whole pages and says nothing.

Now, why aren't you down with the Scott wagon?

Did you read my post?

- GC

[hapahauli]

@Hapa

You're basically voting him because you could "see him as scum" and because you don't have a town-read on him.

Wrong. We're voting him because all of his posts are IIoA. If he's town, he'd probably the worst player i've seen in my life. He has no interest in finding scum. He's interested in buddying up to you so he can carry on doing nothing.

IIoA?

But speaking of doing nothing, that's exactly what you two on your hydra adventure has produced so far. Again, outside of your analysis posted before you caught up with the game, you've made 1 post that I could consider analysis. And barely at that.

[hapahauli]

I mean honestly GC, have you looked at your partner's posting at all? Whatever IIoA means, it must apply to BC as well.

[hapahauli]

@Hapa

You're basically voting him because you could "see him as scum" and because you don't have a town-read on him.

Wrong.

We're voting him because all of his posts are IIoA.

If he's town, he'd probably the worst player i've seen in my life. He has no interest in finding scum. He's interested in buddying up to you so he can carry on doing nothing

...and excuse the triple post, but I have one more contention here.

The bolded isn't entirely accurate. BC first voted Varsoon because of the reasons I mentioned ("didn't have a town-read on him"), and then you retroactively added the "IIoA" justification. You can say whatever you want to justify the vote now, but it was initially made on sketchy pretenses. Well...I suppose this is more of a question for BC.

[GoodCopBadCop]

Quick reply:

I mean honestly GC, have you looked at your partner's posting at all? Whatever IIoA means, it must apply to BC as well.

I don't need to look at BC posts tbh, I know he's town. IIoA means information instead of analysis.

Also, can you look at us two as a whole, we're both the same alignment. Even if he's posting fluff (I haven't looked), i'm not, which should redeem our slot. Providing analysis and reasons is hard for scum because they have to fake it. Varsoon has given no analysis because he can't.

[GoodCopBadCop]

The reason I haven't posted anymore analysis is because it would've taken me ten times longer to catch up. My next post will most likely include some.

- GC

[hapahauli]

Quick reply:

I mean honestly GC, have you looked at your partner's posting at all? Whatever IIoA means, it must apply to BC as well.

I don't need to look at BC posts tbh, I know he's town. IIoA means information instead of analysis.

Also, can you look at us two as a whole, we're both the same alignment. Even if he's posting fluff (I haven't looked), i'm not, which should redeem our slot. Providing analysis and reasons is hard for scum because they have to fake it. Varsoon has given no analysis because he can't.

I see no reason to look at your slot as a whole. You have two very separate mentalities and I have to analyze both.

As far as your slot being "redeemed" through your analysis, once again, you've posted very little of value yourself. If you were posting tons of analysis (or even adequate amounts of anlaysis), we wouldn't be having this conversation.

[hapahauli]

Also Toomai,

Vote: Scott

Toomai, those are the reasons why you would vote anyone.

Stuff like this doesn't cut it. While I do think you're town, this is not give you a free-pass to play sub-optimally.