NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

ISO · Post Post #1275 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 2:53 am

I always like it when someone votes a player that isn't generally suspected at all. If Nacho had come in voting Red Ryu I would have been more willing to lynch him.

I have to admit, Mollie's posts are depressingly town. B&B, are you are you didn't get two separate role PMs?

Unvote

for now, but I'll probably be back eventually. Not too interested in anyone who actually has votes right now except possibly AA9. Need to look back, there are a couple players I'm considering.

Om the Destroyer · Post Post #1276 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 2:55 am

In post 1274, Nero Cain wrote:AK shouldn't even sniff a town read unless you're going for the too dumb to be scum tell. Her and B&TB and Ed...just get rid of that whole very very likely town group and stick em in the "prob town group"

Om refuses to let me scumread AK. He keeps saying Mala's town based on meta.

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Om the Destroyer · Post Post #1277 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 2:56 am

In post 1273, Slandaar wrote:Town:
Bacde
AK
ArcAngel
Nero
CTD
Om/HD

Very Very Likely town:
B&tB
Eddie
Ryu
Mac

Probably town
Sean
Syry

Scum to varying degrees:
Nacho/Thor/Fuzzy/Ceph/Bulba

Switch Thor and Ryu, switch Ceph and Syry, knock Fuzzy off the entire list, and then we're getting somewhere.

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Slandaar · Post Post #1278 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 3:05 am

Mala is town based on Meta its how I read that slot also.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1279 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 3:34 am

In post 1271, Slandaar wrote:I gave you a chance to show you are town if you were; my case doesn't weaken if I leave it for a while during which time I can see how you act which would perhaps add to the case or perhaps I would decide you were town who just radically changed their views in such a short period (very unlikely but it wasn't impossible)

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=26864
This got me thinking about a lot of game theory points, and my opinions have changed quite a bit. Pushing as hard as I did for massclaim also had the added bonus of getting reactions to the idea of massclaim, and forcing Oversoul to either out as gambit or make up some more things before he was comfortable doing so was a large advantage for me.

In post 1271, Slandaar wrote:Which of your posting is better than mine? Enlighten me.

My posting which talks about more than one person, mostly.

Oversoul · Post Post #1280 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 3:49 am

Did you think it was a gambit from the start Nacho?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1281 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 3:53 am

Oversoul · Post Post #1282 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 3:57 am

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1283 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 4:07 am

Because your "information" wouldn't have any significant effect on the game, so it made no sense to add from a setup spec POV.

Bacde · Post Post #1284 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 4:12 am

In post 1283, Nachomamma8 wrote:Because your "information" wouldn't have any significant effect on the game, so it made no sense to add from a setup spec POV.

If you thought OS was lying, why were you so intent on forcing him to out that he was lying?

Would it have been impossible for him to make this gambit as town?

mastin2 · Post Post #1285 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 4:14 am

<<< Mac has requested replacement.
Rondar needs to be replaced.
ActionDan has not posted since his prod, and therefore needs to be replaced.

Syryana is V/LA until Wednesday. >>>

(On the bright side, at least I have a long replacement list!)

This will become a better votecount as soon as I've caught up.

Votecount 25

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AKA, the "Weekends suck" votecount

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Nachomamma8 - 7 (Red Ryu, Bacde, Nero Cain, Amethyst Kitty, Slandaar, Desperado, EddieFenix)

Red Ryu - 5 (Oversoul, Thor665, Mac, Bulbazak, Syryana)

Bulbazak - 2 (Om the Destroyer, fuzzybutternut)
Cephrir - 2 (BeautyAndTheBeast, Baby Spice)
DLG - 1 (CrashTextDummie)
ArcAngel9 - 1 (DLG)
Desperado - 1 (Nachomamma8)

Not Voting - 5 (Seanald, ActionDan, Rondar, ArcAngel9, Cephrir)

Spoiler: Changes from last votecount

Spoiler: Player Vote History

Spoiler: Voting History

Bacde · Post Post #1286 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 4:24 am

@Nacho what is your read on Slandaar?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1287 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 4:32 am

In post 1284, Bacde wrote:
In post 1283, Nachomamma8 wrote:Because your "information" wouldn't have any significant effect on the game, so it made no sense to add from a setup spec POV.
If you thought OS was lying, why were you so intent on forcing him to out that he was lying?

Would it have been impossible for him to make this gambit as town?

No, but the gambit was useless as town and so it was more useful to push him to reveal that he was lying and make him feel uncomfortable while he was doing it.

In post 1286, Bacde wrote:@Nacho what is your read on Slandaar?

Scum, but not confident whatsoever in the read at all.

Bacde · Post Post #1288 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 4:38 am

In post 1273, Slandaar wrote:Town:
Bacde
AK
ArcAngel
Nero
CTD
Om/HD

Very Very Likely town:
B&tB
Eddie
Ryu
Mac

Probably town
Sean
Syry

Scum to varying degrees:
Nacho/Thor/Fuzzy/Ceph/Bulba

That scumteam doesn't feel right to me at all

honestly it feels lazy to me

EddieFenix · Post Post #1289 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 4:38 am

Unvote

So, Nacho comes in and starts posting up. So, I'll back down for now. Oversoul, catch me up on this post please.

In post 1083, EddieFenix wrote:
In post 1077, Oversoul wrote:
In post 1074, EddieFenix wrote:So, my next question is, why was there not a whole lot of change in your reads from pre-gambit reveal to post-gambit reveal? Was it because the players attitude stayed the same? Their play style stayed the same? What...?
I haven't given my full reads yet impart because I want to see people's responses to various things.
What "various things" are you talking about in specific?

OverSoul wrote:Plus I am still fleshing stuff out.
Elaborate on this.

Oversoul wrote:If you mean my town reads/scum reads on those players I just mentioned it does boil down to their reactions were something I more or less suspected and didn't really change much of my perspective on them.
Ok... Walk me through your PRE-reveal thoughts and reactions from those who rejected it and those who supported it. Those who you might be waiting on to respond, you can react as they come in and catch up.

Bacde · Post Post #1290 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 4:39 am

In post 1272, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 1266, Bacde wrote:^^purposely written to make you not want to read it

shallow, and pedantic

lynch this
Seriously? It's not really that long, and he broke them up into several posts for your convenience. If you are having problems reading that, then you have bigger problems than your inability to play mafia well.

In post 1271, Slandaar wrote: Which of your posting is better than mine? Enlighten me.
That's extremely defensive. It betrays a lack of desire to scumhunt or further discussion. What are your thoughts on Nacho's reads, other than yourself?

Uh, I actually read it. That doesn't mean that it wasn't purposely posted to be gobbeldy-gook that is annoying to read to a townie

its something that nacho does as scum

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1291 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 4:41 am

And sometimes as town when my thoughts aren't pretty.

Bacde · Post Post #1292 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 4:41 am

In post 1287, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1284, Bacde wrote:
In post 1283, Nachomamma8 wrote:Because your "information" wouldn't have any significant effect on the game, so it made no sense to add from a setup spec POV.
If you thought OS was lying, why were you so intent on forcing him to out that he was lying?

Would it have been impossible for him to make this gambit as town?
No, but the gambit was useless as town and so it was more useful to push him to reveal that he was lying and make him feel uncomfortable while he was doing it.

In post 1286, Bacde wrote:@Nacho what is your read on Slandaar?
Scum, but not confident whatsoever in the read at all.

So you never actually wanted a massclaim? It was just something you were pushing to pressure OS?

Also, why did you lie about having a "keyword" or something in your post

Bacde · Post Post #1293 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 4:42 am

In post 1291, Nachomamma8 wrote:And sometimes as town when my thoughts aren't pretty.

I'm glad that you are responding to me specifically now

we can build from this

Who are your top 3 scumreads?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1294 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 4:43 am

In post 1292, Bacde wrote:So you never actually wanted a massclaim? It was just something you were pushing to pressure OS?

Also, why did you lie about having a "keyword" or something in your post

No, I wanted to massclaim, but the pressure was a nice bonus.
I lied about having a keyword in my post so I could make sure you actually read it. Not that I don't trust you, but, you know.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1295 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 4:44 am

Desperado, DLG, Baby Spice.

ISO · Post Post #1296 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 4:46 am

Posting a bunch of reads with detailed reasons is not scummy. It is, in fact, the opposite of scummy, unless the reasons are bad.

Could someone expand on this AA9 meta stuff? Or are we gonna do the hush hush I need this info to be secret for other games thing?

Want to see more from Baby Spice, Syry, Macslot, Fuzzy. A little suspicious of all of them.

Nero Cain · Post Post #1297 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 4:48 am

Mac is getting replaced

Bacde · Post Post #1298 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 4:49 am

In post 1295, Nachomamma8 wrote:Desperado, DLG, Baby Spice.

convince me about baby spice

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1299 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 4:49 am

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=25367

Meta her yourself. You'll see things a lot more clearly if you do that instead of having someone try to explain it for you.