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[xMALCOLMx]

Mutley, try to describe thoughts as best you can, not just ten words.
Think of how hard I have been defending you/krabs.

It's hard to replace in, so I am trying to not focus too much on what happened before. Krabs did me no favours and has given too many wrong impressions. I realy didn't like ferret lovers post after the day kill and it screamed scum to me. My biggest scum read so I want to move him onto 2 votes equal at the top.

please don't make me write a case on this though
this should be obvious as hell

[Mutleyddmc]

@Mutley- Who do you see as town atm and why?

No one, I am not a psychic

[Nero Cain]

vote:Goat

join us Sven and Monkey

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Mutley, try to describe thoughts as best you can, not just ten words.
Think of how hard I have been defending you/krabs.

It's hard to replace in, so I am trying to not focus too much on what happened before. Krabs did me no favours and has given too many wrong impressions. I realy didn't like ferret lovers post after the day kill and it screamed scum to me. My biggest scum read so I want to move him onto 2 votes equal at the top.

please don't make me write a case on this though
this should be obvious as hell

I will get back to you on you case post which had some good parts but I have questions... but that will come when I have more time.

I really want you to explain whats scummy in that post thou couse I dont see it, I can sorta see where you are going but its far from being "obvious as hell", and that wording, to me who dont see the super scummy in the post, continues to indicate that you are trying to paint mutley badly.

Thirdly, I am not you, my reads change, it might seem like i have tunneled on you and will never stop but I want you to know that I would be thrilled to find towny post of yours, i like parts of the cases you had, will get back on that, but I donyt understand why it has taken so long.

What I am trying to say is that I am far from set on your lynch, I am willing to lynch you,, so there is light in the tunnel blah blah blah.

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@Mutley- Who do you see as town atm and why?

No one, I am not a psychic

You are in no position to make jokes... alot of people want you dead.

Give us your reads.

[Svenskt Stål]

vote:Goat

join us Sven and Monkey

I´ll join when I am comfortable leaving malcolm alive, until then I am staying there.

[penguin_alien]

Sorry, still not caught up; Mother's Day was busier than I anticipated.

Mutleyddmc, why not have any town reads? You have a vote where you think scum is and that wasn't a read that came about by telepathy.

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Sorry, still not caught up; Mother's Day was busier than I anticipated.

Mutleyddmc, why not have any town reads? You have a vote where you think scum is and that wasn't a read that came about by telepathy.

I am pretty sure most people read mutleys post as a joke, he probably has reads. He just made a bad joke with regards to timing.

Also why did you feel the need to state something that I had just brought up? I mean if time is an issue it seems like you are wasting it.

[xMALCOLMx]

I really want you to explain whats scummy in that post thou couse I dont see it, I can sorta see where you are going but its far from being "obvious as hell", and that wording, to me who dont see the super scummy in the post, continues to indicate that you are trying to paint mutley badly.

He's trying to push everything that happened in the past under the rug and is pushing easy lynch but probably town ferretlover for "his reaction after the daykill". That's opportunistic as all hell while showing him being self-conscious about how scummy Krabs was.

Thirdly, I am not you, my reads change, it might seem like i have tunneled on you and will never stop but I want you to know that I would be thrilled to find towny post of yours, i like parts of the cases you had, will get back on that, but I donyt understand why it has taken so long.

I'm not worried about you tunneling on me. I play at my own pace. Sometimes that translates into aggression, sometimes it doesn't.

[penguin_alien]

Because I'm asking specifically why he feels he can give a scum read but not a town read. I don't get a jokey feel from his posts. As far as time, I have a few minutes to post and figured I'd rather follow up on something that's a current issue than read page 23.

[xMALCOLMx]

I am pretty sure most people read mutleys post as a joke, he probably has reads. He just made a bad joke with regards to timing.

Wait, why did you read that post as a joke?

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I really want you to explain whats scummy in that post thou couse I dont see it, I can sorta see where you are going but its far from being "obvious as hell", and that wording, to me who dont see the super scummy in the post, continues to indicate that you are trying to paint mutley badly.

He's trying to push everything that happened in the past under the rug and is pushing easy lynch but probably town ferretlover for "his reaction after the daykill". That's opportunistic as all hell while showing him being self-conscious about how scummy Krabs was.

How is ferret an easy lynch? Easy lynch woul be goat. And I dont see how he is pushing everything under the rug, THIS SLOT IS TOWN X% OF THE TIME, while i understand what you mean you cant appraoch people like this. Everything he does will either be null or scummy because you make it fit. WHat I see is that, yes you have a point, it might be excusing "obv scumming" but it might also be sincere and comking from town. You completely disregard that and THAT is scummy and or antitown.

Thirdly, I am not you, my reads change, it might seem like i have tunneled on you and will never stop but I want you to know that I would be thrilled to find towny post of yours, i like parts of the cases you had, will get back on that, but I donyt understand why it has taken so long.

I'm not worried about you tunneling on me. I play at my own pace. Sometimes that translates into aggression, sometimes it doesn't.

Okay, I can understand that. But can you understand my problems with you? Or atleast know what they are and talk me through what I am missing?

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Because I'm asking specifically why he feels he can give a scum read but not a town read. I don't get a jokey feel from his posts.

As far as time, I have a few minutes to post and figured I'd rather follow up on something that's a current issue than read page 23.

Okay, we read the post very differently.

Bolded is good, keep that up. Use past posts for "data collecting" and keep up with the current issues. I like this very much.

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I am pretty sure most people read mutleys post as a joke, he probably has reads. He just made a bad joke with regards to timing.

Wait, why did you read that post as a joke?

Because I take it that he is making fun of the question asked to him.

"Who do you

see

as town" Question is usually "who are your town reads?"

"I dont have a crystalball".

That should clear it up.

[xMALCOLMx]

How is ferret an easy lynch? Easy lynch woul be goat. And I dont see how he is pushing everything under the rug, THIS SLOT IS TOWN X% OF THE TIME, while i understand what you mean you cant appraoch people like this. Everything he does will either be null or scummy because you make it fit. WHat I see is that, yes you have a point, it might be excusing "obv scumming" but it might also be sincere and comking from town. You completely disregard that and THAT is scummy and or antitown.

Ferret is an easy lynch because he's a noob and doesn't post very long sentences, often says things that are easily refuted. Goat is a slightly more difficult lynch because he posts more, is more articulate, is more aggressive. Your accusation that I am tunneling is inaccurate. I am posting his scum perspective, but that doesn't mean that my thoughts are completely limited in scope to him being scum scum scum. His posting could be sincere. I doubt it.

Okay, I can understand that. But can you understand my problems with you? Or atleast know what they are and talk me through what I am missing?

I know you have a problem with my lack of aggression. I don't know what you are missing. I don't care what you are missing. If you want a substantial defense, you need to make a substantial attack, and I don't think you've really done anything like that this entire game. #692 was the closest to what I'd call a substantial attack, but that was mostly semantics.

That should clear it up.

I think that you're reading too much into this.

[Desperado]

Why don't we let mutley talk for himself? I'm sure he's the best person to clear up whether what his intent was with that post. I did not read it as a joke, however. Taken in context with his attitude towards his slot pre-replacement it seems pretty consistent and serious, actually.

And Sven, how is ferret not an easy lynch? Everyone either a) thinks he's scum, or b) thinks he is not good at this game and would be better off dead. If we were motivated (by, say, a deadline?) I'm confident ferret could get lynched. Mutleyscum would know this as well, so why not get out ahead of us and start the wagon.

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How is ferret an easy lynch? Easy lynch woul be goat. And I dont see how he is pushing everything under the rug, THIS SLOT IS TOWN X% OF THE TIME, while i understand what you mean you cant appraoch people like this. Everything he does will either be null or scummy because you make it fit. WHat I see is that, yes you have a point, it might be excusing "obv scumming" but it might also be sincere and comking from town. You completely disregard that and THAT is scummy and or antitown.

Ferret is an easy lynch because he's a noob and doesn't post very long sentences, often says things that are easily refuted. Goat is a slightly more difficult lynch because he posts more, is more articulate, is more aggressive. Your accusation that I am tunneling is inaccurate. I am posting his scum perspective, but that doesn't mean that my thoughts are completely limited in scope to him being scum scum scum. His posting could be sincere. I doubt it.

Okay, I can buy that. I think goat would have been easier because others are pushing him and he can just hide on the wagon. What I would like to see thou is you interacting with mutley and try to figure it out because to me it looks like you have decided and you are saying "hey everyone this is scum".

Okay, I can understand that. But can you understand my problems with you? Or atleast know what they are and talk me through what I am missing?

I know you have a problem with my lack of aggression. I don't know what you are missing. I don't care what you are missing. If you want a substantial defense, you need to make a substantial attack, and I don't think you've really done anything like that this entire game. #692 was the closest to what I'd call a substantial attack, but that was mostly semantics.

I dont have a case other then that I checked some of nachos town games and liked his style, and i dont like the style of malcolm this game. Thats the spark, then there are stuff I am calling out here and there.

That should clear it up.

I think that you're reading too much into this.

I am not reading anything into it, its just what I thought happend, to me you and alien are reading to much into that post.

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Ferret might be an easy lynch, but I am saying that I think goat would have been easier. My thoughts was also in regards to the number of votes that both has, the heat on goat has been more as of late than the heat on ferret, so if mutley wanted an easy lynch, or a place to just dump his vote he should have gone to goat imo.

I dont have ferret as scum, I have him as town with like 4 or 5 others so my read of his townieness is pretty strong.

I dont think ferret will get lynched, and didnt I allready talk you out of a ferret lynch? What has happened since then, to me he has only become mroe town. I admit that his reasonings are off here and there but he seems to genuinely try to solve the game.

[Desperado]

You did. I'm still voting mutley, aren't I? My point was that if it's Friday night and we're still splintered and we have to come up with something, I could easily see ferret being the lynch. Can't you? If the options are lynch ferret or no lynch, essentially.

The problem with voting Goat is that he would be the 3rd or 4th vote (prime scum territory) as opposed to the wagon starter on ferret. So yes, at this particular time Goat would be the easier location to park a vote, but it's also the more transparently scummy location...ferret is an unoffensive vote that no one can really fault him for that has the added benefit of being a utility lynch at the deadline, should that situation arise. As Malcolm said, it's opportunistic.

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You did. I'm still voting mutley, aren't I?

My point was that if it's Friday night and we're still splintered and we have to come up with something,

I could easily see ferret being the lynch. Can't you? If the options are lynch ferret or no lynch, essentially.

Bolded creates chaos and is not town friendly.

The problem with voting Goat is that he would be the 3rd or 4th vote (prime scum territory) as opposed to the wagon starter on ferret. So yes, at this particular time Goat would be the easier location to park a vote, but it's also the more transparently scummy location...ferret is an unoffensive vote that no one can really fault him for that has the added benefit of being a utility lynch at the deadline, should that situation arise. As Malcolm said, it's opportunistic.

[Mutleyddmc]

Why can't you all make your own minds up on whether i was joking or not.

I like Sven though he can make up his own mind easily and not take things too seriously

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Why can't you all make your own minds up on whether i was joking or not.

I like Sven though he can make up his own mind easily and not take things too seriously

You could ignore the joke/not a joke and give your reads thou... they are needed.

[Desperado]

You did. I'm still voting mutley, aren't I?

My point was that if it's Friday night and we're still splintered and we have to come up with something,

I could easily see ferret being the lynch. Can't you? If the options are lynch ferret or no lynch, essentially.

Bolded creates chaos and is not town friendly.

The problem with voting Goat is that he would be the 3rd or 4th vote (prime scum territory) as opposed to the wagon starter on ferret. So yes, at this particular time Goat would be the easier location to park a vote, but it's also the more transparently scummy location...ferret is an unoffensive vote that no one can really fault him for that has the added benefit of being a utility lynch at the deadline, should that situation arise. As Malcolm said, it's opportunistic.

...what? How am I creating chaos by talking about a hypothetical future situation (that serves to back up my point)?

Not only that, but we've already come right up against a deadline once and got bailed out by scum. This playerbase does not really seem interested in coming to a consensus. Do you dispute this?

[Mutleyddmc]

Why can't you all make your own minds up on whether i was joking or not.

I like Sven though he can make up his own mind easily and not take things too seriously

You could ignore the joke/not a joke and give your reads thou... they are needed.

I will dont worry. I am on my phone so don't like making longer posts on it

[Amethyst Actor]

Every Large Game Dad has played in on site:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=25546
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=22391
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=25193

These all had one scum team and one or two Third Parties.

Also, on my home site, the meta for "larger" games is 1 scum team with one or two (sometimes no) third parties...

The idea of Mutliball is not one that I commonly have seen.

(I'd link you to the off site references but you'd have to join the forum.)