Mini 1449 - Ordinary Town

[Varsoon]

GCBC, you're reading too much into it.

Hapa's a cool guy, but he might be a cool scum guy. You might be defending your scum buddy right here.
We could never know, because this town is scurred of lynches.

Vote: Jake from Ponydash

Let's lynch this guy.

[NicCage]

I have played one newbie game as scum. I was doing okay until I totally blew it.

Varsoon you are so wrong. Jacobsavage as scum played the fool for the entirety of my first open game and never got lynched. I like your style mostly, but you have to show town motivation aside from just repeatedly saying I'm town.

Varsoon, why is jake scum?

[NicCage]

Also, I think zefiend is town now also, for what it's worth.

[Varsoon]

dude hasn't voted in forever, content of his posts comes off as scum trying to sit back, etc etc.
I just don't like him. Someone mentioned him recently and I was like, "Oh, that guy exists?"
Yeah, that's what he wanted me to think.
'cus he's scum.

Scum's not going to make itself an easy lynch target. They're going to play town, to some degree. Well, at least, that's what I find scum typically do.

Jacobsavage does play like that, but, honest, I am town this game.

My town motivation?
Now town doesn't have to vote me 'cus I'm confirmed town.
Also, we can talk about voting people who are not me.
Like Jake the pony guy.

P-Edit: Yeah, I dunno what to think about zefiend.
Dude can live another day, /shrug

[Varsoon]

Speaking of old votes, everyone should unvote/revote soon.
Speaking of voting, I'd like it if we could lynch some scum.
Speaking of lynches,

Vote: Jake From Pony

[Varsoon]

If anyone has a vote on me after unvote/revote, I can only deduce that they are townies without enough clout to see I'm town, or they're scum.
Either way, useless (to town) players.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

dude hasn't voted in forever, content of his posts comes off as scum trying to sit back, etc etc.
I just don't like him. Someone mentioned him recently and I was like, "Oh, that guy exists?"
Yeah, that's what he wanted me to think.
'cus he's scum.

if I am voting scum, why do I need to keep voting? please explain how that works exactly?

we most certainly are not just sitting back, we are asking questions and sharing our reads and we are one of the top posters of the game, out posting 9 other people in the game. If you don't remember our posts, that is a reading issue obviously.

[hp [leaves]]

1. Scum are not always "sneaky", some play aggressively and are very vocal.

Bah. Disagreed.

2. It's not bold to vote Cage, it's easy (not saying he's town). I could easily vote him now and no one would really care to notice.

Getting near a lynch is bold when it is only the 4th page. Don't mix up the context in your favor.

How much experience do you have? I seriously think you're talking shit here to justify the quick waggon on Cage.

I don't want to play the join date card but just look at my damn join date.

1. Taking something seriously is a scum tell? Explain this.

Attacking people because of their random vote reasons is baseless and uninformative and anti-town. You're better off providing no reasons than doing THAT.

2. What do you mean by not liking the waggon on me? Was I town read?

Nope. The wagon was opportunistic and filled with semi-reasons. Toomai and Cage, my current top 2 suspects were on it. Them being scum would imply you are town, but we don't know it yet.

3. Can you provide the examples of Toomai playing cautiously please.

#33, #105 admitting to it

Replied in bold.

Multiple people have said I'm "a good wagon". I presume this is for one of three reasons:

1. You want me lynched because you think I'm scum.
2. You want to make me claim.
3. You want to pressure me into doing something.

Anyone feel like sharing their reason?

I think you're scum, you claiming will happen when you reach L-1 while we're lynching you and I want you to crumble under pressure and expose the scum behind your mask.

[qwints]

Vote Count 1.7

NicCage: Jake from Rainbowdash, ɀefiend, Dyslexicon, Daemon385, hp[leaves] (5)
Varsoon: Scott Brosius, Toomai, GoodCopBadCop, ac1983fan, Cheery Pie (5)
Toomai: NicCage (1)
Jake from Rainbowdash: Varsoon (1)

Not voting -- Hapahauli (1)

With thirteen alive, it takes seven to lynch

ɀefiend and Scott Brosius have been prodded

Day One ends in (expired on 2013-05-20 12:00:00)

[ac1983fan]

You see, I held the same belief once, as well--that people who play scummy should get lynched and people who are town should be substantial with their posts and produce pro-town content. This generally led to me being a D1/D2 lynch or night-kill, with little substantial play built off of what I had posted and/or my death. As it turns out, in a town full of idiots, it's a lot better to play the idiot-savant or even the town fool. It makes people slip scum all over themselves as they point fingers at your play, which is usually not any better than most other players'.
Feel free to check my other game where I'm playing exactly the same way, except that I spent nearly four hours substantiating my claims and it got me nowhere. There's no reason to put forward tons of effort to find scum, it's far easier to let scum reveal itself.

The thing is Varsoon, is I'm not voting you because you look scummy. I'm voting you because you are being anti-town (and a bit of an ass about it), and on D1, anti-town play is just as good as scummy vibes, especially for a player like me who is shit at this game in general.

--
I'm still wary of Dyslexicon, and NicCage's latest post is openly admitted anti-town play, so I guess I can see why there is a wagon on him again.

[GoodCopBadCop]

You see, I held the same belief once, as well--that people who play scummy should get lynched and people who are town should be substantial with their posts and produce pro-town content. This generally led to me being a D1/D2 lynch or night-kill, with little substantial play built off of what I had posted and/or my death. As it turns out, in a town full of idiots, it's a lot better to play the idiot-savant or even the town fool. It makes people slip scum all over themselves as they point fingers at your play, which is usually not any better than most other players'.
Feel free to check my other game where I'm playing exactly the same way, except that I spent nearly four hours substantiating my claims and it got me nowhere. There's no reason to put forward tons of effort to find scum, it's far easier to let scum reveal itself.

The thing is Varsoon, is I'm not voting you because you look scummy. I'm voting you because you are being anti-town (and a bit of an ass about it), and on D1, anti-town play is just as good as scummy vibes, especially for a player like me who is shit at this game in general.

--
I'm still wary of Dyslexicon, and NicCage's latest post is openly admitted anti-town play, so I guess I can see why there is a wagon on him again.

If this is true then unvote Varsoon. We aren't policy lynching.

Also, stop it with your "I'm crap" bs. It makes you look like scum trying to create an excuse for when you do something scummy.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

prod Scott & zef please

[Varsoon]

Can't tell if GCBC is telling me to unvote or ACfan to unvote.

Either way,

unvote

Glad to see I got some kind of reaction out of JakePony.

JakePony, please explain why I should support your vote that's 250 posts old.

[Cheery Pie]

@Cheery

Vasroon is definitely appealing to emotions though.

Saying "I am town" is not Ate btw.

It appeals to the emoticon of annoyance and makes you want to just walk out of the room and ignore him.

Probably more to fear/paranoia, but that doesn't change the fact him continually doing it is still scummy.

It's like he's faking a post restriction.

[Cheery Pie]

prod Scott & zef please

Did you fail to read three posts up from this post (aka the votecount) that said they already were prodded, if so why were you not reading the votecount? If not, why did you nerf to ask for them to be prodded?

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

Yes I did miss the VC, I missed it cause I'm a dumbass

-J

[ac1983fan]

If this is true then unvote Varsoon. We aren't policy lynching.

Also, stop it with your "I'm crap" bs. It makes you look like scum trying to create an excuse for when you do something scummy.

I'm not policy lynching, when did I say anything about policy lynching??
And the quality of my play is irrelevant to my alignment. Bad play != scummy play. I'm just stating the facts here; I've only won one game where I didn't die early on and that was because the town lynched scum every day largely independently of my own actions. The last couple of games I've completed I've either lost or contributed a good deal towards the loss of my alignment. You'll find similar remarks in other games I've played in regardless of my alignment.

[hapahauli]

@ ac1983fan

The thing is Varsoon, is I'm not voting you because you look scummy. I'm voting you because you are being anti-town

(and a bit of an ass about it), and on D1, anti-town play is just as good as scummy vibes, especially for a player like me who is shit at this game in general.

You are policy lynching. What is in bold is known as a policy-lynch.

[Scott Brosius]

Bachelor party recovery...will return to this tomorrow.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

Can't tell if GCBC is telling me to unvote or ACfan to unvote.

Either way,

unvote

Glad to see I got some kind of reaction out of JakePony.

JakePony, please explain why I should support your vote that's 250 posts old.

reaction testing an active poster by calling him inactive?

you can vote whoever you want, but my original reasons for voting him are still valid and he hasn't done anything but lurk. He has had 1 content filled post but he didn't even complete it, he said he had more to come and then vanished again. When I asked when he was going to finish he said that the rest of what he was going to say wasn't valid (or whatever) anymore. There was the one time when someone (can't remember who at the moment) voted and only gave a reason of "BC" and he immediately showed up ask about that and provide nothing else.

He isn't scum hunting and nothing coming from him shows pro-town behavior.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

My part again (im probably going to be the one more jumping on defending town reads - that's more my loyalty style).

We basically have seen Varsoon on this page again show why he is town. Is he frustrating town that makes me audably groan reading most of his posts? Yes. Is that still town? Yes.

Go to the last VC and what is happening. Varsoon is getting ran up against NC. What is the reaction from Varsoon? Attack a player who is voting NC. That accomplishes absolutely nothing from a scum perspective and instead is more of throwing rocks at a hornet nest. Not only is he making a vote that keeps him closer to a lynch as the leading wagon while easily being able to vote NC, but it also stands the chance of angering a player off the wagon who is defending him.

Scum are rarely borderline suicidal like that and I think anypony who really is thinking even shortterm should be able to see the high potential ramifications of making the type of vote he is, continuing the style of play he has gotten slammed for in that type of direction is just bad town play instead of bad scum play.

So Varsoon wagon. Go away.

NC is good, SB is good, GCBC is actually quite decent as well.

Need to talk with my other half but CGBC in 309 is all kinds of scum. NC still is really scummy (still kinda waiting for that Varsoon lynch reasoning) though, and im happy leaving the vote there.

Also four days to deadline, and im having mild connection issues (which look like they will persist for a couple weeks). Nothing that warrents replacing but just less accessable than normal self.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

post_id=4951889 time=1368459225 user_id=10128]this is so town motivated that I'll give you a medal

sorry I couldn't tell but this was sarcasm right?

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

319 & 321 were Jake btw

[ac1983fan]

@ ac1983fan

The thing is Varsoon, is I'm not voting you because you look scummy. I'm voting you because you are being anti-town

(and a bit of an ass about it), and on D1, anti-town play is just as good as scummy vibes, especially for a player like me who is shit at this game in general.

You are policy lynching. What is in bold is known as a policy-lynch.

But I'm not following any policy??? I'm just voting for someone whose lynch I believe would be good for the town.

Sure, anti-town behavior is less correlated with being scum than scummy behavior, but let's be honest, there are no absolute scumtells barring a player claiming scum etc; moreover, we have the least information on day 1 and lynching an anti-town player is fair from the worst D1 choice. Granted, a player who is both anti-town and seemingly scummy would be a better choice, but I don't see too much behavior that makes me see anyone as scum. Additionally, the two biggest wagons at the moment are against Varsoon and NicCage, both of whom I've seen heavy anti-town behavior from.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

I just did a quick search of ac1983 for the phrase "anti-town" and I come across 2 open games where he was town in both and he voted players for being anti-town, one of those players (belisarus) was actually scum.

ac using anti-town is par for him and isn't a policy lynch, so can we please end this stupid conversation about policy lynching?

k thx

-J