Mini 1449 - Ordinary Town

[ɀefiend]

Whenever I get prodded I come and skim the most recent posts that I've missed. It's usually 2-3 pages. The only new thoughts I have are that Varsoon is incredibly annoying and anti-town, and I can see why someone would want to vote him.

I'm about to hit the gym, I promise a more substantial post tonight when I get back.

[hapahauli]

Anyone who's voting Varsoon at this point is an idiot or scum.

It's clear that he doesn't care about his image, and is basically playing suicidally. You can say what you want about him playing "anti-town" (though he's actually provided quite a bit of analysis in the last few pages), but his play makes no sense from a mafia perspective. He's showing no survival instinct, and that's mega townie.

We should be lynching

Nic Cage

or

Scott

today unless someone goes about and acts even scummier.

[hapahauli]

As far as Jake goes, I have my doubts about him, however I'd need to know more about Nic Cage's alignment before I could commit to lynching him.

I'm very skeptical about how "clean" his game is. It's not a very natural thought process to lock on someone from Day 1 (Nic Cage) in the manner that he did. It doesn't seem very emotional, and the lack of interaction he's had with the thread outside of offering "Nic is scum" comments strikes me as scummy.

However

, I can't blame him for it unless Nic flips town OR starts acting townie.

[Toomai]

Okay I give.

Unvote

Not voting NC yet because there's still a few days; not voting SB yet because I'm not as certain about him.

[Daemon385]

Anyone who's voting Varsoon at this point is an idiot or scum.

It's clear that he doesn't care about his image, and is basically playing suicidally. You can say what you want about him playing "anti-town" (though he's actually provided quite a bit of analysis in the last few pages), but his play makes no sense from a mafia perspective. He's showing no survival instinct, and that's mega townie.

We should be lynching

Nic Cage

or

Scott

today unless someone goes about and acts even scummier.

I agree! And with the time counting down on us looks like we will have to decide what we need to. Scott seems more scummier to me then Nic now but I still believe both need to be tried. My vote still stands for now.

Also as odd as what Varsoon I don't see it as that scummy. Annoying sure but I think he is trying to pull what he can out of the people he needs. Or for other reasons, but I don't believe he is the one we need to vote off right now.

Also I still LOVE Scott's post. Again all he does is state how he isn't playing and will get back to us and hardly ever does. I applaud you sir, just applaud you. Not.

[Varsoon]

So, I've reconsidered and as much as I love Nic, I'd be down for either wagon.

Gonna put my vote on the Scott one, even if Nic would likely flip into more info.

Vote: Scott

[GoodCopBadCop]

@Varsoon

Hapa's a cool guy, but he might be a cool scum guy. You might be defending your scum buddy right here.

You missed the point.
Also, you could say that about anyone who's alive. "They might be scum but we'll never know until they're dead, therefore they're a good lynch!"

dude hasn't voted in forever, content of his posts comes off as scum trying to sit back, etc etc.

Your first explanation! That's progress at least.

1. Why is not voting someone new scummy?
2. Can you give examples of the posts that look like they're trying to "sit back".
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@Hp

Getting near a lynch is bold when it is only the 4th page. Don't mix up the context in your favor.

My bad. Still, it depends on the scum player. I can easily see scum voting him on page 4(to L-2). Quite a few people believe early waggons help progress the game by getting reactions from the players, the scum player could use this as an excuse for putting a player on L-2.

I don't want to play the join date card but just look at my damn join date.

I seriously doubt you've never seen a scum player who is confident enough to do crazy or bold things. It's a valid playstyle that tricks people who have the mindset that scum are only sneaky/cautious.

Attacking people because of their random vote reasons is baseless and uninformative and anti-town. You're better off providing no reasons than doing THAT.

anti-town =/= scummy.
Attacking players for their RV is a way to get you out of RVS. It doesn't look like that's what Toomai was going for though, so fair enough.

Replied in bold.

Thanks. You've lessened my (gut) scum read on you, I liked your response overall.
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@Cheery

It appeals to the emoticon of annoyance and makes you want to just walk out of the room and ignore him.

Probably more to fear/paranoia, but that doesn't change the fact him continually doing it is still scummy.

It's annoying yes, doesn't make me want to ignore him though. It isn't really Ate imo.
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UNVOTE:
I'm doing this so I can review other people. Varsoon is vig bait. If there's no one else more scummy, i'm moving back.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

@JFR

Go to the last VC and what is happening. Varsoon is getting ran up against NC. What is the reaction from Varsoon? Attack a player who is voting NC. That accomplishes absolutely nothing from a scum perspective and instead is more of throwing rocks at a hornet nest. Not only is he making a vote that keeps him closer to a lynch as the leading wagon while easily being able to vote NC, but it also stands the chance of angering a player off the wagon who is defending him.

Good point, I agree.
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@Hapa

We should be lynching Nic Cage or Scott today unless someone goes about and acts even scummier.

Can you explain the Scott read to me please.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

@Hapa

As far as Jake goes, I have my doubts about him, however I'd need to know more about Nic Cage's alignment before I could commit to lynching him.

JFR is town, even if Cage flips town. Town players can be wrong, no?
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@Toomai

Not voting NC yet because there's still a few days

; not voting SB yet because I'm not as certain about him.

It just seems like you're trying to look town. Why does it matter if there's a few days left? If you honestly think he's scum then he deserves your vote whenever.

- GC

[hapahauli]

@Hapa

As far as Jake goes, I have my doubts about him, however I'd need to know more about Nic Cage's alignment before I could commit to lynching him.

JFR is town, even if Cage flips town. Town players can be wrong, no?

I think you missed my point. It's not so much who he's going after (after all, a bunch of people are suspicious of NC). It's the manner in how he's gone after him, particularly his detachment from virtually every other subject of conversation in the game.

Should he be lynched today? Absolutely not. But those are my thoughts.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

not that you will necessarily believe me but i can kind of explain why it seems like we are posting like that hap.

Spoiler:

I wanted to hydra with rainbowdash cause she is always able to develop strong town reads and I am never able to develop strong town reads, I actually end up accusing half the game by the time the game is over. My intention was to pair up with dashie to learn from her but for whatever reason her schedule or whatever has kept her from posting in the QT. I'm purposely trying not to spam the thread and not make moves without discussing them with dashie first but we just can't get online at the same time.

The main issue is i am online most of the day and she can't access MS from work which makes her availability in the evening. She also prefers to use AIM where as I would have to create an AIM screenname (which I may end up doing now that my wife's laptop is fixed and she isn't using mine)

I am here and have lots of opinions, but they don't necessarily agree with what dashie has posted in our QT. For example. I had GC/BC as an obv town read but dashie disagrees with me and has him as a null/scummy read. She has varsoon as a town read, but I have him as a null read.

I hope to get this straightened out soon once we are able to hook up and talk to each other. If I can't connect with her I will just revert back to my old way of playing.

-J

[GoodCopBadCop]

not that you will necessarily believe me but i can kind of explain why it seems like we are posting like that hap.

Spoiler:

I wanted to hydra with rainbowdash cause she is always able to develop strong town reads and I am never able to develop strong town reads, I actually end up accusing half the game by the time the game is over. My intention was to pair up with dashie to learn from her but for whatever reason her schedule or whatever has kept her from posting in the QT. I'm purposely trying not to spam the thread and not make moves without discussing them with dashie first but we just can't get online at the same time.

The main issue is i am online most of the day and she can't access MS from work which makes her availability in the evening. She also prefers to use AIM where as I would have to create an AIM screenname (which I may end up doing now that my wife's laptop is fixed and she isn't using mine)

I am here and have lots of opinions, but they don't necessarily agree with what dashie has posted in our QT. For example. I had GC/BC as an obv town read but dashie disagrees with me and has him as a null/scummy read. She has varsoon as a town read, but I have him as a null read.

I hope to get this straightened out soon once we are able to hook up and talk to each other. If I can't connect with her I will just revert back to my old way of playing.

-J

ok nvm rainbowjake is obvtown

I can't see a scum hydra head making this post

at least I don't want to lynch this for the next few days

-badcop

[hapahauli]

Sounds reasonable J.

Though given the lack of activity in the thread, I'd rather see your "old" style. I'd take any form of posting at this point.

[GoodCopBadCop]

@Hapa

As far as Jake goes, I have my doubts about him, however I'd need to know more about Nic Cage's alignment before I could commit to lynching him.

JFR is town, even if Cage flips town. Town players can be wrong, no?
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@Toomai

Not voting NC yet because there's still a few days

; not voting SB yet because I'm not as certain about him.

It just seems like you're trying to look town. Why does it matter if there's a few days left? If you honestly think he's scum then he deserves your vote whenever.

- GC

Fixed. Toomai wrote that quote, not Cage.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

If it was easier to switch between this and my main, I'd probably post more fwiw. Logging off and on sucks.

I'm going to re-read tonight though and I'll create an AIM account to chat with RD.

The mod allowing 72 hours without a post before a prod is going to kill this game. 73 hours plus + 24 to 48 to respond to a prod with a 2 week deadline just gives scum invective to lurk.

72 hour deadlines should be for 3+ week deadline games IMO.

:gets off soapbox:

[GoodCopBadCop]

Sounds reasonable J.

Though given the lack of activity in the thread, I'd rather see your "old" style. I'd take any form of posting at this point.

Why's Scott scum?

[hapahauli]

Sounds reasonable J.

Though given the lack of activity in the thread, I'd rather see your "old" style. I'd take any form of posting at this point.

Why's Scott scum?

Read the thread.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p4944216
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p4944218
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p4949929

The fact that you're too lazy to read the last 3 pages does not help your cause.

[GoodCopBadCop]

Sounds reasonable J.

Though given the lack of activity in the thread, I'd rather see your "old" style. I'd take any form of posting at this point.

Why's Scott scum?

Read the thread.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p4944216
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p4944218
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p4949929

The fact that you're too lazy to read the last 3 pages does not help your cause.

the fact that you are too snarky and unable to succintly sum up your case easily without needing to refer to previous posts indicates to me that your case is bad, unmemorable, and probably wrong

-badcop

[GoodCopBadCop]

@Hapa

- I was expecting a summary...
I agree with the last paragraph of the first link and that post #241 is scummy. Everything else is pretty meh tbh.
Anyway, it's better than my (mostly) gut scum read on Cage. I'll support the Scott waggon for now.

VOTE: Scott
Btw, what is your definition of an active lurker? I'm quite sure Varsoon is a perfect example. He's just talking bs all the time yet you say he's not one?

[GoodCopBadCop]

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

what the heck goodcop I was snarking it up right there and now you undermine me and make me look like a pansy

I'ma go check the QT

-badcop

[hapahauli]

@ BC

I have no obligation to the lazy. I thought I laid it out really clearly why I'm suspicious of Sott in all those posts (especially the 3rd). I'd be happy to explain things to you if you don't understand something in there, but if you're going to come in and say "why scott is scum" showing no hints of reading or considering what I've posted, then you're not going to get a warm reception from me.

[Toomai]

Why does it matter if there's a few days left?

Eh I guess you're right. We do kind of need enough time for him to claim.

Vote: NicCage

[L-1]

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

unvote for a second

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

bear with me, I just saw something interesting.