MICRO 172: DRAGON BALL Z [TOWN WIN]

[fferyllt]

This game has gotten so slow. I need to reread so I can remember who the hell is in my scumpile.

[Bacde]

This is a bad wagon. I'll get to it tomorrow why Dr P is a better option.

I wanna hear more of this

[fferyllt]

Ok, so a complete reread has me leaning town on bacde and sword of omen. I go back and forth on TIP, but I have a really hard time believing that a scum player would unselfconsciously make so many crappy posts. Dr P is still bugging me.

This is a bad wagon. I'll get to it tomorrow why Dr P is a better option.

I wanna hear more of this

Me too.

bacde, how are you feeling about sword now?

[Ghostlin]

I disagree with Ff's 252 because it opens up a huge pot of WIFOM and 'too dumb for scum.' This isn't a scum read, she reads pretty much town, but the arguments are off.

TNE's overcaution...I don't know if she's nervous or scum. There's no reason to flip-flop on wagons if chk included a vengeful townie and only scum would be afraid of it.

[Ghostlin]

Also, TIP's setting up that WIFOM so that's still pretty damn scummy.

[Hamlet]

There's no reason to flip-flop on wagons if chk included a vengeful townie and only scum would be afraid of it.

What? A bad call from a venge could wipe out a town PR. Everyone should be concerned about that.

-B

[Ghostlin]

There's no reason to flip-flop on wagons if chk included a vengeful townie and only scum would be afraid of it.

What? A bad call from a venge could wipe out a town PR. Everyone should be concerned about that.

-B

True, but it still doesn't eliminate the WIFOM that exists. There's really no reason to believe TIP is a Venge, and if you want to talk about gambits to get off people's wagons, that'd be a clever one for a scum to set up.

You don't cast votes on what you THINK might happen if a person has a certain PR, you cast votes on what a person DOES during the game.

[fferyllt]

I disagree with Ff's 252 because it opens up a huge pot of WIFOM and 'too dumb for scum.' This isn't a scum read, she reads pretty much town, but the arguments are off.

TNE's overcaution...I don't know if she's nervous or scum. There's no reason to flip-flop on wagons if chk included a vengeful townie and only scum would be afraid of it.

I think you simplify my position a little there. I am going back and forth because I know that too dumb for scum is not a truism, but IME it holds true a little more often than not.

I can't lynch vote for every damn stupid post I read. I don't have enough nearly enough votes to go around. So I rely on body of work. TIP's body of work isn't good atm, but the game is young.

re the rest of your post, Hamlet_B's refutation is sound.

[PimHel]

Everyone should read Pope's ISO. He has dropped some scummy things, but overall, I have the feeling that he's trying to look for scum.
Just look at the explanations he has given for not voting Bacde at the start of the game (waiting for every player to post), just look at how he's grilling Ghostlin (though bad (as in bad, not scummy) arguments) and how he has been grilling Dr P lately.
I want players who find Pope scummy to explain why scum-Pope wouldn't vote Bacde.
I also want those players to look at the time when Pope asked for the reads from multiple players. He and Ghostlin were the ones who were attacking the most. By asking for other players their read, he gets other players to take a stance and get some information out of them. This weighs much more than what you find hypocritical (did I spell it right :S?) about him. Or look at his explanation about it.


Start looking at the big picture.

[fferyllt]

Everyone should read Pope's ISO. He has dropped some scummy things, but overall, I have the feeling that he's trying to look for scum.
Just look at the explanations he has given for not voting Bacde at the start of the game (waiting for every player to post), just look at how he's grilling Ghostlin (though bad (as in bad, not scummy) arguments) and how he has been grilling Dr P lately.
I want players who find Pope scummy to explain why scum-Pope wouldn't vote Bacde.
I also want those players to look at the time when Pope asked for the reads from multiple players. He and Ghostlin were the ones who were attacking the most. By asking for other players their read, he gets other players to take a stance and get some information out of them. This weighs much more than what you find hypocritical (did I spell it right :S?) about him. Or look at his explanation about it.


Start looking at the big picture.

And Dr P?

[PimHel]

About Dr P.
First look at post 112. Feel the tone of that post. It screams 'I am posting what I see'. That's not scumhunting. This is being a bystander and it's fake.
This continues in later posts. It changes after Pope attacks Dr P.
I also find it 'hilarious' that Dr P attacks Pope for not voting his top suspicion ('If you have suspicion, shouldnt you vote that person'), while he did the same.

Then comes the post about not looking at shitty play. From that huge post (112), only 3 points remained found here Point 1 isn't about Pope. Point 2 is, but guess what, Dr P accused Ghostlin of a slip as well. And 3 didn't happen yet before post 112 (In Pope's case). So when Sword mentioned that Dr P should have been on Ghostlin, he was correct. Because Points 1 and 3 were present for Ghostlin.
Again, fake scumhunting.

Last point, again post 186.
Weak jabs against Hamlet, but also on his attackers. The first is to see if he can gain support to go after Hamlet. The second is to discredit his attackers and to let the case look weak.

P.S. 210 shows a weak attack on Pope. Dr P mentioned that in the same post he asked for Pope's reads that he mentioned the players he thought are scummy. Yet, Pope mentioned later that Ghostlin was his only scumread, which was known. So Dr P can't call him hypocritical.

[PimHel]

It's posted, Ffery

[fferyllt]

So I see.

Your observation about 112 is spot on IMO, both in terms of the post itself and in terms of motivations possibly revealed by the stance.

The thing that's strikes me about Dr P's posts is that he's put a fair bit of effort into telegraphing his stances, which comes off as self-consciously laying down a smooth trajectory for his reads.

VOTE: Dr Pepper

[TheIrishPope]

I think we all agree that we need to hear from DP.

[Bacde]

honestly, Dr P

could

be scum

but my vote is much more useful here:

VOTE: Ghostlin

I disagree with Ff's 252 because it opens up a huge pot of WIFOM and 'too dumb for scum.' This isn't a scum read, she reads pretty much town, but the arguments are off.

TNE's overcaution...I don't know if she's nervous or scum. There's no reason to flip-flop on wagons if chk included a vengeful townie and only scum would be afraid of it.

What's this about a vengeful townie?

[Bacde]

Yup, quickly rechecked, no one mentioned vengeful townies before Ghostlin

this is super suspect to me because "vengeful townie" is NOT what I thought first when I saw TIP crumbing PR

[sword_of_omens]

Hey all... it's my birthday and my buddies r surprised me and rented out a beach house on the water..
B een here drinking all dayso I am vla through till Thursday..when I get back...

[TheIrishPope]

Happy birthday and have fun
Ghostlin and Dr. P are my top scumspects, if anyone's wondering.

[DoctorPepper]

I think Im at L-1 now.

PimHel, why wouldnt scum vote Bacde? Because OMGUS, and thats obvious

Now let me break down your case once again.
1. What exactly is wrong with me answering to their "everone comment on this situation" I found both of them scummy, why exactly is it wrong to say which one I think is scummier. Its not scumhunting? When I try to see who s scummier? Its fake? How can you say? How is it fake?
2. Thats my playstyle, I dont vote unless I find a good reason to do so. Look at my past games (if you can) and everyone accuses me of this, I dont vote early on until I am sure or at least until it is needed.
3. Post three was about Pope too. Thank you for the misrep. Again dont tell me what to think, I trust my gut when I say he feels scummier, JUST BECAUSE YOU FUCKING SAY SO, DOESNT MEAN I SHOULD TOO. When the fuck did I accuse Ghostlin of slipping?
4. My jab against Hamlet and his attackers was done not because of what you said. You say a lot about how what Im saying is to downplay your cases, whereas what you say justifies those little points you've made against me as "scum" Cqn you not tell me and these other people what my motives are mr. All knowing Pim. Will you stop misrepping me? Will you stop determining what my motives are for me?
5. Claiming for everyone's reads while not supplying your own, and other things he has done is not a weak attack.

Yes, I am pissed, I'm pissed off at this constant misrep, I'm sick of being accused of fake scumhunting and my posts being fake when I am at least trying to make it. God dammit I have never been so pissed in a game before.

@Mod: Requesting Replacement

Fuck this

[TheIrishPope]

You're at L-2 if I'm not mistaken.
What a sore scum.
You are seriously breaking all the rules of this site.
Shame on you.

[Ghostlin]

Bacde, then how would you explain this?

It's alright to vote for me. If I get to L-1 then some shit may happen...
Remember this is a closed setup...

It's alright to vote for me. If I get to L-1 then some shit may happen...Remember this is a closed setup...

Not many powerroles WORK at L-1 that I'm aware. I misunderstood L-1 for hammered, but still, he's softclaiming something happens when he's at L-1

specifically

.

That's where my assumption came in.

[DoctorPepper]

You, sword, ffery and Pim. L-1.

Breaking all the rules? What did I break.

Okay, last post

[TheIrishPope]

Being committed to the game and remembering it is in fact a game where you have fun...
Maybe this place isn't for you.

[fferyllt]

UNVOTE: Dr P

Don't wimp out, dude. defend yourself.

I counted votes from chk's last vote count and by my count my vote was L-2.

[DoctorPepper]

No I am not having fun okay, i am defending and I have been since the first suspicion but my defense has been called as "weak attempts to remove a bandwagon" im sick of shit like "fake scumhunting" "your motives are fake" FUCK OFF.
No pope, this specific game is not for me, I've had fun in all my games except this. That is not a rule, in fact Im doing a favor by not flaking out and immediately doing this.