NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

[Amethyst Kitty]

Seanald, thoughts on Cephrir? thoughts on anything really, your presence in this game is minimal and you're easy to forget, which is something I don't like.

~Mara

[Thor665]

Thor, I'm town. Vote Cephrir or Nacho.

What do you think of Mollie's recent posts?

I don't know, is she still arguing dumb things? I stopped paying attention to what was going on with her half about 10 pages ago.

I feel like this is kind of a 'oh...yeah, she's sorta scumming it up and Thor knows it, so I better just blitz around the subject and charge off in a new direction quick!'

She's saying stuff.
Your name is functionally attached to it.
If the two of you half-wits can't manage a full wit seperately, maybe you should, y'know, talk some stuff over a bit, consolidate some opinions?
But, seriously, I want your read on what she's doing right now.
Because it looks very, very, bad.
And I'm going to lynch you over it once the rest of town realizes what's going down.

Also, frankly, your demand for Khan to provide reasons that he dislikes your posts as you debate his reasons for disliking your posts?
Kinda weird.

@Syryana - what's your read on B&tB?

Have I mentioned lately that I want to lynch the cat thing? The cat, and Red, and B&tB.

@Bacde - I have heard you say that you 'always read Nacho as scum' so...why are we supposed to give two figs about the read this time? And, why are you so vibrant on a read you have self admitted to always having?

[Kublai Khan]

No, town strategy isn't to survive, it's to find and lynch scum before they out-number town.

Being unlynchable as town is just as effective as finding scum in the early game. And, for the most part, generally more accurate - I can be certain of my own alignment. I may read others wrong. I have the stronger position here; I suggest you check yourself before you wreck yourself.

No. Scum kill unlynchable townies. There's no advantage to your playstyle if your town.

So a townie shouldn't be super-pro-town or obv-town as town because they'd be unlynchable and therefore it isn't advantageous?

Okay, there's three possibilities here. Either out of nowhere, I've decided to start arguing against every accepted mafia theory on proper town play and I'm calling for townies to not look town. -OR- You're deliberately twisting an argument for a very cheap attack. -OR- You're amazingly horrible at reading comprehension. Take your pick.

I've accused you of having a survivalist attitude in this game. You've answered that being unlynchable helps you find scum. Your answer reveals to me that you may be too stupid to comprehend what I'm trying to say. So let me ask you some questions:

Do you understand the concept that a random mafioso has a more pressing need to survive than a random townie? (Completely ignoring power roles at this point)

Do you understand that scum can easily imitate an attitude of "I know I'm town and you're probably scum for suggesting otherwise"? Do you understand that it is unhelpful for town

No, I don't.

I'm sure you can back this up with quotes that won't be subsequently refuted by my own proof, right?

The one the really stuck out to me was Post 299. DLG made some good points about some inconsistent behavior and poor reading comprehension on your part and asked some clarification questions. Your response was to put him on your "shitlist" and list him as scum in the subsequent post. Do you feel that that was appropriate townie behavior? Did you understand his questions?

[Bacde]

WAIT WAIT WAIT

did OS claim that his informed townie fakeclaim was a "reaction test"?

[Syryana]

WAIT WAIT WAIT

did OS claim that his informed townie fakeclaim was a "reaction test"?

Yes.

@Thor, I believe I had them as town. I'll go reISO them and let you know why.

[Bulbazak]

WAIT WAIT WAIT

did OS claim that his informed townie fakeclaim was a "reaction test"?

Did you miss that during your incessant tunneling of Nacho?

[Kublai Khan]

WAIT WAIT WAIT

did OS claim that his informed townie fakeclaim was a "reaction test"?

Post 820

[Bacde]

crap,

well now OS looks really bad to me

ok I need a tribal council right now:

can nacho still be scum despite OS looking really really bad (like really scummy bad)?

Survey says:

[Bacde]

multiball?

[Vegito]

She's saying stuff.
Your name is functionally attached to it.

Let me show you my careface, Thor.

If the two of you half-wits can't manage a full wit seperately, maybe you should, y'know, talk some stuff over a bit, consolidate some opinions?
But, seriously, I want your read on what she's doing right now.
Because it looks very, very, bad.
And I'm going to lynch you over it once the rest of town realizes what's going down.

We actually

do

have some consolidated reads. If you want them, I'll try to fetch them.
I don't give a fuck what she's doing now. If she feels she's struggling in an argument, she'll ask me for help. Otherwise, fuck off with your bullshit, yeah?

We're town. Deal with it.

Also, frankly, your demand for Khan to provide reasons that he dislikes your posts as you debate his reasons for disliking your posts?
Kinda weird.

Weak reading on your part. Try again.

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Too imbibed for 1552. Get back to that later.

[Syryana]

multiball?

The fuck does this mean?

Thor, I got about halfway through B&B ISO before my eyes glazed over. I'll get back to you tomorrow after sleeping and things.

[Kublai Khan]

Is Vegito -> Majiffy of BeautyandtheBeast?

I fucking hate hydras.

multiball?

The fuck does this mean?

Bacde can't envision a scenario where Oversoul and Nachomamma8 are scum together. So he's wondering if they are seperately scum on two different teams.

It's funny because I'm currently on Page 36 and I'm wondering why there is almost 30 more pages and no current votes on Oversoul.

[Syryana]

Cool, thanks KK.

As for the Oversoul thing, I've been wondering that for a while myself.

[Red Ryu]

@Mod: I'm gonna be V/LA starting Friday through Sunday, going to ACEN

<<< Acknowledged. >>>

[Baby Spice]

Wow.

Decided to read Bacde in iso, and wow.

After about 50 posts I came to a realization.

There's not a shred of content in there.

A touch of fake content, but nothing real.

It picks up a little but it takes a while to get there. iso#87 (#1202)

That's the one that fixes things though. That has he relevent comments.

[Nacho]

isn't addressing me as though I have a real case because he wants to sweep this under the rug (and he knows I'm serious about this read and he knows that I can build a smurfing bandwagon by myself), yet he is addressing everyone else and their points

From then on Bacde seems to get a bit more serious.

Nacho's spent a lot of the game with a decent vote count. Nacho does appear to be doing what Bacde accuses him of, ignoring Bacde and defending against others. Could be because Bacde is tunneling like he's part of the great escape, and pushing that as a defense is better than actually defending.
ie: It's the other people voting him that Nacho has to worry about because he thinks he can dismiss Bc.

Which means a trip through Nacho's iso tommorow.

[Slandaar]

Thor what do you think about those who do not answer your questions?

[Nero Cain]

I don't even care if Sry is scum, I like her posting style a lot.

Has anyone here played with Bacde sum before? Does he bus?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

She's saying stuff.
Your name is functionally attached to it.

Let me show you my careface, Thor.

If the two of you half-wits can't manage a full wit seperately, maybe you should, y'know, talk some stuff over a bit, consolidate some opinions?
But, seriously, I want your read on what she's doing right now.
Because it looks very, very, bad.
And I'm going to lynch you over it once the rest of town realizes what's going down.

We actually

do

have some consolidated reads. If you want them, I'll try to fetch them.
I don't give a fuck what she's doing now. If she feels she's struggling in an argument, she'll ask me for help. Otherwise, fuck off with your bullshit, yeah?

We're town. Deal with it.

Also, frankly, your demand for Khan to provide reasons that he dislikes your posts as you debate his reasons for disliking your posts?
Kinda weird.

Weak reading on your part. Try again.

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Too imbibed for 1552. Get back to that later.

>.>

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

No, town strategy isn't to survive, it's to find and lynch scum before they out-number town.

Being unlynchable as town is just as effective as finding scum in the early game.

And, for the most part, generally more accurate - I can be certain of my own alignment. I may read others wrong. I have the stronger position here; I suggest you check yourself before you wreck yourself.

No.

Scum kill unlynchable townies. There's no advantage

to your playstyle if your town.

So

a townie shouldn't be super-pro-town or obv-town

as town

because they'd be unlynchable

and therefore it isn't advantageous?

Okay, there's three possibilities here. Either out of nowhere, I've decided to start arguing against every accepted mafia theory on proper town play and I'm calling for townies to not look town. -OR- You're deliberately twisting an argument for a very cheap attack. -OR- You're amazingly horrible at reading comprehension. Take your pick.

The first one. Look at the bolded.

You

went down this path all on your own. Don't blame me for your own stupidity.

I've accused you of having a survivalist attitude in this game. You've answered that being unlynchable helps you find scum. Your answer reveals to me that you may be too stupid to comprehend what I'm trying to say.

Well, seeing as that's not actually what I said... I guess you may be too stupid to comprehend how to play this game.

Do you understand the concept that a random mafioso has a more pressing need to survive than a random townie? (Completely ignoring power roles at this point)

That depends. Is this a LYLO situation?

Do you understand that scum can easily imitate an attitude of "I know I'm town and you're probably scum for suggesting otherwise"? Do you understand that it is unhelpful for town

If you can't tell the difference between blatanttownspeak and scumtryingtoactlikeblatanttownspeak, you should head back to the newbie games.

DLG made some good points about some inconsistent behavior and poor reading comprehension on your part and asked some clarification questions. Your response was to put him on your "shitlist" and list him as scum in the subsequent post. Do you feel that that was appropriate townie behavior? Did you understand his questions?

None of those were good points, they were all proven wrong.

I put him as scum because he was trying to superimpose scumminess into my play where it didn't feasibly exist. Yes, I felt that was appropriate behavior. Did you understand the argument that ensued? Because it looks like you didn't read.

multiball?

The fuck does this mean?

Multiple scum factions.

[mastin2]

@Mod: I'm gonna be V/LA starting Friday through Sunday, going to ACEN

Noted.

Also, if you alt/hydra slip, tell me.

Nachomamma8 - 6 (Red Ryu, Bacde, Nero Cain, Slandaar, Desperado, Seanald)

Red Ryu - 3 (Oversoul, Bulbazak, Syryana)

Cephrir - 3 (Baby Spice, Amethyst Kitty, BeautyAndTheBeast)
fuzzybutternut - 2 (thezmon221, Cephrir)
BeautyAndTheBeast - 2 (Kublai Khan, Thor665)
Bulbazak - 1 (fuzzybutternut)
DLG - 1 (CrashTextDummie)
ArcAngel9 - 1 (DLG)
Desperado - 1 (Nachomamma8)
Bacde - 1 (Om the Destroyer)

Not Voting - 3 (Hanzo_5, ArcAngel9, EddieFenix)

[Bacde]

@Bacde - I have heard you say that you 'always read Nacho as scum' so...why are we supposed to give two figs about the read this time? And, why are you so vibrant on a read you have self admitted to always having?

this time I'm extra sure

[Bacde]

I don't even care if Sry is scum, I like her posting style a lot.

Has anyone here played with Bacde sum before? Does he bus?

I've played with Bacde-scum before

sometimes he busses sometimes he doesn't

its not relevant to this game though, I'm town

[Oversoul]

So Ryu is being a punk and being owned by real life so I am just going to post it..

Rejected it:
Nacho - didn't believe it, voted me
CTD - voted me, later calling me out on the reasoning for why I claimed
Nero Cain - voted me, later said it was scummy
Cephrir - voted me, but later said he didn't think I was scummy
fuzzybutternut - didn't believe, didn't really do anything about it at the time, later got onto my wagon for "some" reason
Bulbazak - didn't believe me, voted me for it
Syryana - called me scum for it

Supported it:
ArcAngel - thinks my wagon is driven by scum
Om the Destroyer - thought it wasn't scummy
Red Ryu - calls the claim bad, but not scummy
DLG - questioned why scum would do such a thing as scum
Thor - didn't think scum would do it, leans town on me for it

Ignored it:
BeautyandtheBeast - lists as weak town later
Slandaar - no comment on it
Desperado - comments on mass claim
ActionDan - commented on CTD and mass claim
Amethyst Kitty - knows my claim exists, commented on Mass Claim and CTD, commented on AA's defense of my wagon
Bacde - did not directly comment on it, questioned if my wagon was personality driven
EddieFenix - no comment on it
Mac - no comment on it
Baby Spice - completely did not comment on it

Red Ryu wagon, I ... don't know why I voted Ryu when the game started. I think it was something that I thought was odd during pregame but I can't be certain. I honestly don't remember.

Red Ryu seems to legitimately believe in my claim asking for further clarification on it as if there was information to be gathered from it.

Tid bit, I have actually seen Red Ryu play on his home forum. I dabbled a bit there and Ryu is a moderator. I didn't remember this until he linked back to it. I considered Ryu to be a good player there but his play here just seems different, almost dumber (I don't mean this an insult Ryu). It doesn't seem like he realizes things that I think he should be.

I think his response to Nacho in 423 is fairly town. It has that townie bravado at the end and shows continued to support for the claim on the basis of the claim itself.

I guess this is also where I get I impression that I had a lot of support because Ryu is supporting me a lot like Arc. I hadn't noticed that.

He keeps bringing up the fact that I will be lynched by him for my play and not the claim. He eventually brings up the fact that I was voting him but it doesn't seem to phase him much either way which I find odd given that he was a big supporter of my slot and yet I seemed to be apparently voting him. It almost looks as if he was slightly miffed that I would be voting him given this fact and his comment was an indirect way to get me to move it.

Red Ryu

, would you be willing to explain the justification for the activity post in 864?

Oversoul town if role is legit

I am curious to know what my standing is now.

Has Oversoul tried moving his vote at all? I'm pretty sure he has just been sitting on that vote.

Hehe. I guess I was right that Red Ryu is miffed that I am voting him despite everything. It is a shame really. I was getting town feelings for Ryu's attack against Nacho and subsequent defense of himself from Bulb and co.

[Oversoul]

I fucked that up real hard.

God damn it. I had like 7 draft's for this game and I didn't know which one was it. >_>

Anyway, that is my impression of the people who commented on my claim.
What is interesting is that Ryu was particularly focused on why I was voting him which I find very peculiar, given that he mentioned it twice. Like I said, almost as if he is angry that he supported me and I was voting him.

[Bacde]

^^So your reaction test told you nothing, basically?

That whole post is IIoA except a few tidbits about RR, even though its never really explained if you think he's scummy or townie

fuck dude, if we really want to lynch scum maybe we should just quicklynch arcangel9 (who I'm certain is scum)

because I'm beginning to understand why nacho really didn't like this slot

Vig should take out one of nacho/OS and we should probably lynch AA9

what do you guys think?

how crazy would this be if both nacho/OS were on the same team, that would be crazy