Mini 1451: A Memory of Light (Game Over)

[milkshake]

How many games have you played on this site?

Usually I play on the #mafia IRC.

People really say that stupid stuff, huh? Well, I have to go now but I'll give more opinions later.

[Cephrir]

Vote Count 1.5

milkshake 4

(MattP, Ghostlin, sword_of_omens, ThAdmiral)

Ghostlin 2

(milkshake, Amrun)

Amrun 1

(Belisarius)

sword_of_omens 1

(GoodCop_BadCop)

Belisarius 1

(Iecerint)

Nero Cain 1

(Selkies)

Selkies 1

(Nero Cain)

Iecerint 1

(Demon)

Not Voting 1

(Miss Destroyer)

Note: I failed to note Selkies' vote on Nero a couple pages ago, so last page's VC is incorrect. Oops.

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is Monday, June 3rd, at 1 PM EST. This is in (expired on 2013-06-03 13:00:00).

[Ghostlin]

You didn't answer my question, Amrun.

Also, Mod--could you change Nic Cage to Amrun in the VC?

I di--oh. Uh. Yeah.

[Belisarius]

Also, I'd like to hear Beli's reads, and thoughts.

Sure, but there's a reason I haven't posted it -- to wit, it's useless:

Demon: Pretty null, don't understand the Iecerint vote
Ghostlin: Gut town read, but I don't understand his objection to MattP's roleclaim, or the question in #59.
GoodCop_BadCop: fully null, nothing really to go on
Iecerint: Leaning town, but don't know why because my brain is being an asshole
MattP: A fair bit of text, but none of it alignment-indicative, null
milkshake: True, I didn't really like the softpush on MattP, but I'm not sanguine about the blitzwagon on her, either
MD: Not enough to go on; I think HD is the head I could read more readily, but it's only been Mara talking
Nero: #83 shows that he was leery of 'shake before the vote was placed, which makes #85 null, not scummy; #105 shows a kind of mindset which I share, which makes me more sanguine about him.
Selkies: I don't like their hop onto the milkshake wagon, and their hop

off

of it looks forced too. Not enough to earn a vote in isolation, though.
sword_of_omens: Gut says town, brain is being an asshole
Admiral: Null
Amrun: Liking the strong entrance, that's all for now.

And on that note, UNVOTE:

[ThAdmiral]

Not only do milkshake's manipulative posts regarding Matt scream scum, his reasoning behind voting ghostlin are both terrible and hypocritical (particularly in post 136).

If he's not lynched today I'm going to be very disappointed.

[Selkies]

Orcinus here, been busy lately, sorry for the inactivity. Quick thoughts before I go sleep: Amrun town, Nero read getting fuzzier, Milkshake+Ghostlin town.

Iece might be scum.

I'll catch up soon.

[Selkies]

Nero: #83 shows that he was leery of 'shake before the vote was placed, which makes #85 null, not scummy; #105 shows a kind of mindset which I share, which makes me more sanguine about him.

If Nero is scum, Bel is the partner.

[Sugar Cain]

My top two scumreads are Ghostlin and

Selkies

. NC I am conflicted about.

I like your analyses, Amrun.

town don't say this. FFery seems like she'd fight things tooth and nail.

because the bulk of the rationale for MattP's lynch came from an opinion held by Nero

yea, I never pushed for a Matt lynch.

I know you didn't, but it followed from what you had said at that point that you SHOULD have. To demonstrate this, we can take a look at post #133 by Selkies where they express the same opinion.

So I should have wanted a Matt P lynch 'cause I mentioned that he fake claims as both alignments? Why do you think it took them 11 posts before they agreed with you? Why not agree with you when we actually had our argument? They even voted you first.

Come on Amrun, lets lynch Selk today.

[Nero Cain]

My top two scumreads are Ghostlin and

Selkies

. NC I am conflicted about.

I like your analyses, Amrun.

town don't say this. FFery seems like she'd fight things tooth and nail.

because the bulk of the rationale for MattP's lynch came from an opinion held by Nero

yea, I never pushed for a Matt lynch.

I know you didn't, but it followed from what you had said at that point that you SHOULD have. To demonstrate this, we can take a look at post #133 by Selkies where they express the same opinion.

So I should have wanted a Matt P lynch 'cause I mentioned that he fake claims as both alignments? Why do you think it took them 11 posts before they agreed with you? Why not agree with you when we actually had our argument? They even voted you first.

Come on Amrun, lets lynch Selk today.

[milkshake]

I should have wanted a Matt P lynch 'cause I mentioned that he fake claims as both alignments?

Technically, you should have wanted a MattP lynch because he claims early as town and fakeclaims early as scum. This was under the assumption of "Never lie as town" being universally accepted strategy here. Which apparently it might not be?

[Belisarius]

It's optimal strategy, but not all players play optimally.

[Selkies]

town don't say this. FFery seems like she'd fight things tooth and nail.

FFery is more interested in figuring out if people are town or scum than in what they think about her alignment, especially when playing as a hydra. And an effortlessly well reasoned argument for finding something I post questionable usually makes a townish impression on me.

- f

[Nero Cain]

I should have wanted a Matt P lynch 'cause I mentioned that he fake claims as both alignments?

Technically, you should have wanted a MattP lynch because he claims early as town and fakeclaims early as scum. This was under the assumption of "Never lie as town" being universally accepted strategy here. Which apparently it might not be?

So why you didn't vote Matt?

[Nero Cain]

Why is GCBC lurking so terribly?

[Amrun]

@Ghostlin: You didn't actually ask me a question.

@Nero Cain: I am open to the possibility.

[Miss Destroyer]

why are you calling cops out for lurking when others are doing the same?

Ghost: If you mean the post where you voted for milkshake, then yeah I read it but I didn't find any decent reasoning behind that post. It seems you are voting Milk because you don't agree with him, and because you see things that he doesn't?

Why are you seemingly worried about your gut getting you in trouble? I'm taking that phrase to mean that it usually gets alot of heat placed in your direction and has a plausibility of getting you lynched? that isn't something that town is worried about.

I'll talk to HD about where to place our vote, but right now my favorite people to vote are Ghost, Demon, and SoO

[sword_of_omens]

on my phone...
coming back from fibishing up my trip...

hey Miss Des:
how do you go from this:

I actually like Omens post, it has good questions and I feel that his vote is one of the few on the wagon that has some merit

to this:

I'll talk to HD about where to place our vote, but right now my favorite people to vote are Ghost, Demon,

and SoO

with no in between?

[ThAdmiral]

I should have wanted a Matt P lynch 'cause I mentioned that he fake claims as both alignments?

Technically, you should have wanted a MattP lynch because he claims early as town and fakeclaims early as scum. This was under the assumption of "Never lie as town" being universally accepted strategy here. Which apparently it might not be?

So why you didn't vote Matt?

This here ^

This is the crux of the issue.

[MattP]

Still broken comp will have access tonight or tomorrow

[Ghostlin]

But, actually, of equal importance is your reaction to Selkies #191.

Well, it was in the form of a statement, but that's just splitting hairs.

[Ghostlin]

^That was to Amrun.

[Ghostlin]

Ghost: If you mean the post where you voted for milkshake, then yeah I read it but I didn't find any decent reasoning behind that post. It seems you are voting Milk because you don't agree with him, and because you see things that he doesn't?

Why are you seemingly worried about your gut getting you in trouble? I'm taking that phrase to mean that it usually gets alot of heat placed in your direction and has a plausibility of getting you lynched? that isn't something that town is worried about.

1) No, I'm voting for Milk because a push on a claimed VT is pretty terrible, actually. Also, she didn't even bother to back her conviction with a vote.

2) Nice interpretation--but no, it actually means that I can get the scum/town thing horribly wrong and try to get townies lynched because i didn't like something about them, which is antithetical to my win con. My gut does not operate correctly, and what is a gut tell for some people that always works never works the same in my gut.

For example, certain players who are abrasive (yes, more than me, guys) make me mad and I tend to want to see them as scum because I'm pissed off.

[Nero Cain]

why are you calling cops out for lurking when others are doing the same?

Why do you have a problem with me calling out cops for lurking? Selk is lurking but that's likely scum anyways. You're lurking a bit. So, sure, I'll entertain the idea that you are scum but I'm more interested in a milk/selk/soo group but sure, I can do a milk/selk/soo/missdes group.

So who wants to claim to be the stupid townie?

[Amrun]

Why do you think milk and selk are grouped together? I find that unlikely, though not impossible.

[Selkies]

why are you calling cops out for lurking when others are doing the same?

Why do you have a problem with me calling out cops for lurking? Selk is lurking but that's likely scum anyways. You're lurking a bit. So, sure, I'll entertain the idea that you are scum but I'm more interested in a milk/selk/soo group but sure, I can do a milk/selk/soo/missdes group.

So who wants to claim to be the stupid townie?

lol

no we're not lurking. orcinus is busy with school and I've been busy with a bunch of almost-nightfalls and daybreaks and lylos and shit. Right now, I'm waiting to catch orcinus online again to catch up our thoughts on this game.

last time we chatted, we thought milkshake was looking better. that might change. I'm still liking Amrun for town.

- fferyllt