Newbie 1365 - Vantasmagoria of Flower View (Game Over)

[TheIrishPope]

No no no, au contraire my friend. I don't believe this claim, but it might be true. I do not think it is false. Thinking and believing are two different things. Read a book.
And exchanging getting lynched for getting NKed seems counterintuitive.

[Ms Marangal]

The Contradictions... They sting....

jesus christ, I hope Awestie catches up soon because I want this shit lynched now. You need death.

[Thor665]

@MM - oh please, if he is scum it's not for debating belief and thinking. He's scum for yesterday. Why are you trying to play up what he's saying as though it is somehow worse than just saying 'I don't believe the claim' because there is no contradiction in what he's saying now.

[MontyWhittaker]

what are you talking about? TIP is at L-1

My apologies, Ms. Marangal, I didn't see your post. With that said, are you suspecting any kind of team with Irish?

[Ms Marangal]

He's saying that he doesn't believe the claim, but he doesn't think it's false because it could be true... how is this not a contradiction Thor?

either way, TIP needs death.

Right now?

I think you and Reg are the most likely partners

[Ms Marangal]

and I definitely feel that his play today is scummier than his play yesterday.

[Thor665]

He's saying that he doesn't believe the claim, but he doesn't think it's false because it could be true... how is this not a contradiction Thor?

How does saying that make him any scummier than saying;

"I don't believe the claim"

or, for that matter;

"I do believe the claim"

Just answer that and I'll drop the issue.

[Thor665]

I mean, I think we all agree Irish is hardly the sharpest knife in the drawer, and also plainly has English as a second language - and you want to paint him claiming 'think' and 'believe' as meaning two different things (which they do, subtly, but they do) is somehow a scummy contradiction...that he decided to do...in the exact same post, literally moments from each other...because he...what, thought they meant the same thing and figured no one would notice?

[TheIrishPope]

Stop it with the English as a second language bit
If we're seriously discussing about semantics, here we go.

Think:

1. To have or formulate in the mind.
2.
a. To reason about or reflect on; ponder:

Think how complex language is. Think the matter through.

b. To decide by reasoning, reflection, or pondering:

thinking what to do.

Believe:

1. To accept as true or real:

Do you believe the news stories?

2. To credit with veracity:

I believe you.

I formulate in my mind that it may be true, but I do not accept it as true or real.

[Tierce]

Votecount 2.15

(3)

TheIrishPope

- MontyWhittaker, Nekoko, Ms Marangal
(1)

Nekoko

- TheIrishPope

(0)

Regfan

-

(awestfie)

(3)

Not voting

- Regfan, Thor665,

(Ms Marangal,)

awestfie

With 7 alive, it takes 4 votes to lynch.
The deadline is May 13 at 5:55 PM PDT. Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2013-05-13 17:55:00)

[Ms Marangal]

He's fence sitting on the fact that what he thinks about Neko's claim. He's saying that he doesn't believe the claim to be true, but at the same time is saying that it could be. It's scummier than saying "I don't believe the claim" or "I do believe the claim" Because both of those are definite answers while what he's giving us isn't.


what he's giving us is "it can be true, but I don't believe it". That, combined with his strange soft pr claims, and his continual questioning on what he should do at this point is striking me odd as well. It almost makes me want to believe that He's scum and Nekoko is his partner...

[Regfan]

I just got home from an awful day at university. I'm going to try and relax for a few hours then I'll get to this game.

In the meantime AWESTFIE, get to reading the thread.

[TheIrishPope]

What do you want answered, MM?

[Regfan]

Sigh Awestfie, you really did replace in to troll didn't you. I can give you another 2 hours and I'll hammer when I go to bed if you're not here by then.

So you're seriously talking about policy lynching because I'm a VT?

That's not even close to it. There's a whole of of reasons why you're likely to get lynched today and none of them are policy. Your claim + your "Is claiming with doc dead" in 789 and 791 don't mesh at all is one (You've yet to explain a reason why you thought doc being dead would influence the benefits/loss of a VT claiming) and the other larger reason is process of elimination - If Nekokos claim is legitimate I see no way whatsoever that you can be town (I'm very strong on Awestfie/Thor!Town which would only leave 1 scum in the setup if that was all the case) so from where I'm standing either 1) You're scum or 2) Nekokos claim is fake and if it's 2) I'm hoping the night-kill tonight will point heavily towards it (And this is fairly important; if I die tonight and Irish flips town today it's Nekoko+Ms).

[Regfan]

Can't wait any longer, I'm going to bed. Really really hope this is right and that my paranoia over Nekokos claim being fake is wrong.

Vote: Irish

[Tierce]

Votecount 2.16 - Final D2 Votecount

(4)

TheIrishPope

- MontyWhittaker, Nekoko, Ms Marangal, Regfan
(1)

Nekoko

- TheIrishPope

(2)

Not voting

-

(Regfan,)

Thor665, awestfie

TheIrishPope,

Mafia Rolecop

, has been lynched.

Night 2 starts now.

Night will last 72 hours.
The deadline for night is May 16 at 8:20 AM PDT. Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2013-05-16 08:20:00)

[Tierce]

Nobody died Night 2.

Day 3 starts now.

Votecount 3.0

(6)

Not voting

- awestfie, MontyWhittaker, Ms Marangal, Nekoko, Regfan, Thor665

With 6 alive, it takes 4 votes to lynch.
The deadline is May 30 at 10:25 AM PDT. Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2013-05-30 10:25:00)

[Regfan]

Uh, what? The only thing I can think of is that scum were AFK during the night.

Nekoko, your report? (Also right now Ms is 100% clear).

[Nekoko]

awestfie is town

[Regfan]

Uh? Thor and Monty have been online and posted elswhere during the night-phase (Just checked) meaning how would they forgot to send in a kill? This is really weird.

[Regfan]

I think we have to NL here? I want everyone to post first though.

[Ms Marangal]

Why would we NL here?

[Regfan]

Why would we NL here?

It gives us near automatic win in the occasion that Nekoko is scum (She'd be forced to clear someone else).

[Ms Marangal]

Or, we could lynch through one of the uncleared and have a better chance of narrowing down the suspects tomorrow.

since the only viable people for scum were active during the night, it's evident that the scum were going to go for WIFOM, which to me clears Thor and makes you that much more of a probable suspect.

[Regfan]

Lack of night-kill is likely due to scum forgetting the game (I can't think of anything else making sense here; it's really weird). "WIFOM" is an excuse for no night-kill, in fact it's an absolutely stupid thing to suggest because it'd be guaranteeing a cop investigation (ie. If it was a guilty it'd be putting scum in autoloss and if it was an innocent it'd be one of the scummier players being cleared).

And do I have to explain this to you in kindergarten logic? We don't attain an extra lynch if we lynch today, there is no extra mslynch from it. There is no gain in lynching today whatsoever. There however is gaining in NLing - it means that if Nekoko is town that scum will be forced to shoot her and thus we don't have to worry about fake-claiming mafia at all and if she's mafia it forces her to clear another person giving us a pretty much assured win.