Newbie 1351: Hyrule's Under Attack.. Interesting..-GAME OVER

[Mac]

You don't think mafia no killed?

[VisceraEyes]

And all of a sudden you think it's me? Because I analyzed your play and came to a conclusion?

Not GM, who has been playing dark and mysteriously in the background ever since serious scrutiny has been on her (fmp), the person who you were SCREAMING was the faker all day yesterday...you think it's ME.

And then you accuse ME of OMGUS?

Get outta here dude!

[Ineffective]

And all of a sudden you think it's me? Because I analyzed your play and came to a conclusion?

Not GM, who has been playing dark and mysteriously in the background ever since serious scrutiny has been on her (fmp), the person who you were SCREAMING was the faker all day yesterday...you think it's ME.

And then you accuse ME of OMGUS?

Get outta here dude!

Either your preview function didnt work. When you posted your vote or you are blatently lying to reverse the order of the OMGUS

[fferyllt]

Ok.

well, I'm tentatively leaning town-on-town here.

I did pick up a vibe from Ineff's post to you on Sunday, VE. I wasn't sure what it meant.

Ineff you nearly went ballistic when I put down an unsupported vote before then.

I want to think this is midgame paranoia.

[Ineffective]

Ok.

well, I'm tentatively leaning town-on-town here.

I did pick up a vibe from Ineff's post to you on Sunday, VE. I wasn't sure what it meant.

Ineff you nearly went ballistic when I put down an unsupported vote before then.

I want to think this is midgame paranoia.

i wasnt suspicious of you really--- just curious---it was just the second time you hopped on a vote of mine without stating reason... after the scumflip all fears were relieved... VE however had been popping back into my radar throughout the day and i was unwilling to consider him as possible scum before a flip because if i town-poe someone i never reverse my read on them that day or it destroys the whole purpose of said POE

[VisceraEyes]

This is probably another lingo difference, but to me OMGUS describes the act of voting or suspecting someone EXCLUSIVELY because they were suspected first. That's not what's happening here. Yes, you voiced suspicion of me before I did of you - but that's FAR from EXCLUSIVELY the reason - in fact that fact that you suspect me had NOTHING TO DO with my reason, as made evident in the voting post in question. I stated EXACTLY the reasoning for my vote, and it had NOTHING to do with with you suspecting me.

[Ineffective]

This is probably another lingo difference, but to me OMGUS describes the act of voting or suspecting someone EXCLUSIVELY because they were suspected first. That's not what's happening here. Yes, you voiced suspicion of me before I did of you - but that's FAR from EXCLUSIVELY the reason - in fact that fact that you suspect me had NOTHING TO DO with my reason, as made evident in the voting post in question. I stated EXACTLY the reasoning for my vote, and it had NOTHING to do with with you suspecting me.

I beg to differ in a slight way.

I consider an uneducated or a fabricated reason directly afterwards an OMGUSvote--- especially since scum pretty much has to state a reason in fear of being called out for omgus...

Your reason for me assuming that we would mislynch if we lynched a blue claim depended on me having information--- the information i had was based on my subjective analysis that i had stated several times yesterday and today... I dont think its likely that we have 2 PR's and the no-kill and macs subsequent towntelling confirmed my opinion bias--- i would assume that would be the obvious reason for my assumption and therefore your reason is baseless

[VisceraEyes]

But that's NOT information - that's speculation and you could be completely wrong. And you're ASSUMING we're going to mislynch based on it. When myself and feryl have done no such thing - we're accepting that the most likely explanation is that Mac is scum and that lynching him will likely end the game today.

Like, there's nothing wrong with considering options, but the way you're assuming your perception of the situation is the truth and assuming things will happen based on it sounds more like you having information you shouldn't have as a townie than it does a townie speculating.

[fferyllt]

Why do you think it's unlikely we have 2 power roles?

[VisceraEyes]

Why do you think it's unlikely we have 2 power roles?

This. Because yesterday his answer was "because GM is fake-claiming" and today it HAS to be "because VE is fake-claiming" but he's talking about "objective" matters of fact when that's not the case at all. Objectively we could just as easily both be telling the truth as one of us faking.

[Ineffective]

Why do you think it's unlikely we have 2 power roles?

If a VT claim is mafia with 2 roles that can prevent a night kill and a mislynch still on the table ---they are almost forced to kill a PR claim or face certain loss. Mac was def not targeted for a kill because he is an easy mislynch target and my final words regarding a fos were that mac was probably the team-mate --- GM's thoughts rang similar, and nearly everyone thought they were a possible team. If i was scum i would almostceartainly kill a pr claim because i am a heavily mechanical player, and if i were to kill a VT for wifom it would not be you because you sheeped every vote i put down.

VE would have similar reasons not to kill mac or you --- GM is the only likely candidate to kill you and that would still be serious wifom considering that VEwas a free kill.

all this adds to me not seeing a possible scenario where a VT is scum aside mac--- and i think GM wifoming an NK in that situation would be more likely than mac performing a kill... However i am still somewhat open to mac being scum--- he is the only VTi would consider----

[fferyllt]

Why do you think it's unlikely we have 2 power roles?

If a VT claim is mafia with 2 roles that can prevent a night kill and a mislynch still on the table ---they are almost forced to kill a PR claim or face certain loss. Mac was def not targeted for a kill because he is an easy mislynch target and my final words regarding a fos were that mac was probably the team-mate --- GM's thoughts rang similar, and nearly everyone thought they were a possible team. If i was scum i would almostceartainly kill a pr claim because i am a heavily mechanical player, and if i were to kill a VT for wifom it would not be you because you sheeped every vote i put down.

VE would have similar reasons not to kill mac or you --- GM is the only likely candidate to kill you and that would still be serious wifom considering that VEwas a free kill.

all this adds to me not seeing a possible scenario where a VT is scum aside mac--- and i think GM wifoming an NK in that situation would be more likely than mac performing a kill... However i am still somewhat open to mac being scum--- he is the only VTi would consider----

Why would scum-VE claim to protect me instead of GM?

[Ineffective]

Why would he protect gm????? I would think a doc claim would be more believable if they claimed to save a townread

[fferyllt]

Why would he protect gm????? I would think a doc claim would be more believable if they claimed to save a townread

yabbut think about it from the scum POV. saying you protected the power role just seems like the obvious thing to do. protecting a VT might get questioned. Scum don't want questions surrounding their fake claim.

[VisceraEyes]

The WIFOM in this thread all of a sudden is overwhelming.

[fferyllt]

heh. true.

Speaking of WIFOM, Scum VE would also have parachuted into the game thread with the intention of building strategy around bamboozling me, and would have built a towering house of cards on that foundation at this point in the game.

[Mac]

Yeah like every post is WIFOM now and I don't like it.

I know I was a top partner-read for alot of people but that doesn't mean I won't be killed. I was an easy lynch d2 when at L-1 but I managed to get away from it (although not on my own terms..) but yeah, if I was the target last night, it would've thrown a spanner in the works had I not been protected.

[VisceraEyes]

Well to be fair at THIS point in the game, the HoC would be falling sister.

[Ineffective]

I would instalynch VE if he claimed to protect GM

If i was in his situation as doc my greatest hope would be for GM to die so that i would have no reason to suspect him

also --- if GM died my suspicions of VE would have been relieved because if i was VM i would push on GM or push on someone else (mac) and set gm up for a lylo lynch and not kill him--- absolutely everything related to a pr not dying makes me think one of them is scum

[Mac]

Of course this is absolutely all WIFOM like I said. It's not good.

[fferyllt]

I would instalynch VE if he claimed to protect GM

If i was in his situation as doc my greatest hope would be for GM to die so that i would have no reason to suspect him

also --- if GM died my suspicions of VE would have been relieved because if i was VM i would push on GM or push on someone else (mac) and set gm up for a lylo lynch and not kill him--- absolutely everything related to a pr not dying makes me think one of them is scum

You might. I don't know if this is true in your experience. In my experience MStown doesn't always agree with my strategies, reads, etc.

[VisceraEyes]

Of course this is absolutely all WIFOM like I said. It's not good.

If you hope to survive today, less pointless comments (pointless because you're just agreeing that it's pointless...what a pointless gesture) and more scumhunting. If I'm not lynching Inef I'm lynching you today unless he can convince me to lynch GM...which given the position he's in with me I find that unlikely.

Tell us who is scum to you, and why you think so.

[fferyllt]

Hey Z7...any time now would be a good time to chime in. I thought you were in the forum with me last night right after the thread reopened.

[VisceraEyes]

Anyone wanna hedge on Z forgetting to send in the kill?

[fferyllt]

Cool so we're in agreement.

##Vote: Ineffective

He's playing from a position of having more information about the gamestate than I do. He seems certain we're going to mislynch today - I'm not so certain of that at all.

Rereading the thread and coming back to this, I think Ineff was actually worst-casing things, not speaking from certainty.