Khan's Wacky Xylbot II Mafia (Mini 1441) (Game Over)

[Oversoul]

Hmm, Ruffig probably town for that

[Oversoul]

See I debated that as well, but I need the answers from Khan before I am going to make any judgments on it

[shos]

Tierce, link me to that inventor game of yours. you're defending voided far too many times in my memory of this game (and you're in it for only a short while..) and regardless I'd like to see it. putting myself in his position, if he's town then you go through a night doing whatever you can do or not and RECIEVING AN ABILITY, say, the mod gives you 1-shot track. well someone must've done that, right? now, if someone specifically asks me like 3-4 times if I know what he's talking about and that he should be confirmed to me then MAKE THE FUCKING 1+1. srsly wut

The game is Catch-22, and it's linked on my wiki.

Being oblivious does not make him scum. If anything--look, imagine Voidedscum and shosTown. Voided knows that someone Town gave him an ability. This person is signaling to him. If he DOES notice that, does Voidedscum push for this person's claim? No, because the person might not be lynched and might even get protected at night. Voidedscum who realized you were a Town inventor would shut up, lynch someone else and kill you at night. Problem solved, no more Inventor.

that logic is possible, but there are plenty of other ways to think and other intentions behind any deed he could have done/had done. for example, he could entirely deny that he recieved anything from me when I claim. and then it would be really awkward on my end to explain why I was roleblocked/he is lying/he was jailed/redirected etc. it is not a 1v1 since I have no confirmation that he got it. only that the action was recieved by the mod, not even if it was successful. I feared that VERY much when he didn't know what I was talking about.

about people being oblivious - I dunno, being that oblivious is really odd. especially for voided. as town I remember voided as one who posts very much content and good content, who notices details even I don't, it's very much unlike him. and here - it's like he's jumping on this

You can't really say that being oblivious is scummy. Voided is clearly not with his head in the game.

in every way he can.
I mean, come on:

And I have just learned that it is still legal to lynch horse thieves in Nevada, apparently. Much better than the word "scum".

Wait, what does this have to do with the game?

(And yes, I'm aware my head is not fully in this game. I've got a few personal things I'm doing right now that take precedence, and work is hitting a serious full tilt since the end of the fiscal year is May 31st and we want as many books out of the facility as possible by then. )

...I dunno, really. I wonder if I should ask what ability I gave him.

btw where were we with the massclaim thoughts?

In a 3-man scum team:
8 alive need 5 votes to lynch. 8 votes - 3 scum votes - 1 townie who can't vote = 4 votes. Scum lynch impossible. We would be in MYLO. Best course of action would be a no lynch. Tomorrow would be LYLO.

In a 2 man scum team:
8 alive, 5 votes needed to lynch. If PimHel had not been killed, town would not have the required votes to get a lynch today. As it is, we need all remaining townies to lynch a scum unless one of the scum busses his partner.

Either way, I suspect a blocked Syryana means Syryana is town.

Ruff is right in the fact that we should probably nolynch today. evidence is that there is just one scumteam, and their mafia-ally is dead. the fact that they shot him tho proves imo that he doesn't know who they are and they don't know who he is - which means there's no reason to think Syry is town because of the voteblock.

either way we should be waiting for the mod answer - I asked him "help mafiaally'' or something above. which reminds me, I need to read up from the post I told myself to

Hmm, Ruffig probably town for that

not quite necessarily. I do agree he's town tho, lol

[Voidedmafia]

about people being oblivious - I dunno, being that oblivious is really odd. especially for voided. as town I remember voided as one who posts very much content and good content, who notices details even I don't, it's very much unlike him. and here - it's like he's jumping on this

Or I just honestly didn't make the connection until you claimed?

(and idk about the noticing details part. Seems more like I like to nitpick than anything.)

not quite necessarily. I do agree he's town tho, lol

Wha...?

[Kublai Khan]

||| MAFIABOT || VOTE COUNT (5 to lynch) |||

||| MAFIABOT || Syryana - 3 (BBmolla Oversoul serrapaladin) |||
||| MAFIABOT || Voidedmafia - 1 (shos) |||

||| MAFIABOT || Living players: BBmolla Tierce serrapaladin shos Syryana The_Rufflig Oversoul Voidedmafia |||

Umm

!xxylbot help [voteblocker]

I think that's right

||| MAFIABOT || Voteblocker (mafia, town, mafia-ally; common; 8+ players): You can block a player from voting the next day. Actions: voteblock |||

BTW: Proper coding is: !xmafia help voteblocker

!xmafia help mafia-ally

!xmafia help ASSUMING the voteblocker had a target last night, if he's dead now, does that target still have no vote today?

||| MAFIABOT || Sorry, no help is available for that topic. Type '!xmafia showcommands' for a list of available commands. |||
||| MAFIABOT || Sorry, no help is available for that topic. Type '!xmafia showcommands' for a list of available commands. |||

[Tierce]

shos: being oblivious is not scummy. He could have reacted in a different manner of ways, yes, but what Voided did (or didn't, in this case) is still not scummy. Behavior is not motivation.

I haven't been able to give this a proper look on a computer screen in a while. More later when I can go through quote walls (ugh) at my leisure.

[shos]

!xmafia showcommands

*sigh*

[The Rufflig]

I had been assuming that mafia-ally was similar to traitor. I've tried to find out if xylbot tells the mafia-ally who the members of the mafia are, but I've failed to come up with a definitive answer. I'm going to err on the side of caution and assume that xylbot does not do so. Which means that PimHel merely did not believe that Syryana was mafia - a disappointing conclusion.

[serrapaladin]

I didn't see that setup, Rufflig, but the vast majority have 2 scum, so it's fairly unlikely we're in MyLo. Is there any way to find out whether mafia-ally knows who scum are? I would have thought he doesn't have any more knowledge than a townie, in which case him targeting Syr and him choosing last night to first use his skill don't mean anything. At the very least it's fair to say that scum didn't know what Pim was.

Voided, can you confirm shos?

[Voidedmafia]

Which means that PimHel merely did not believe that Syryana was mafia - a disappointing conclusion.

Wait, wouldn't it mean that he did believe Syr was scum (or at least not town)?

Serra, Tonight or last night?

[Oversoul]

This whole Mafia ally business is fucking confusing.

[serrapaladin]

VM: Last night. Did you use whatever he gave you?

[BBmolla]

mafia ally is traitor folks.

[Voidedmafia]

VM: Last night. Did you use whatever he gave you?

yes.

[serrapaladin]

...and?

[Voidedmafia]

...and?

Why do you need to know what I got and how I used it to confirm Shos?

Shos says he gave me something. I've confirmed I got it. At the very least we've already confirmed that Shos's roleclaim is true. What else do you need in that regard?

[serrapaladin]

Because if he's a normal Inventor, he's town (as I don't think we can have 2 mafia-allies), but if he's a Malfunctioning Inventor, he can be scum.

I don't care what you got, I care about whether it worked as intended. If he's Malfunctioning, you would still get an ability, but it wouldn't do what it says on the tin.

[The Rufflig]

Which means that PimHel merely did not believe that Syryana was mafia - a disappointing conclusion.

Wait, wouldn't it mean that he did believe Syr was scum (or at least not town)?

What possible motivation would PimHel have for trying to voteblock a member of the mafia? Why would PimHel believe there is a non-town, non-mafia faction left in play?

[Kublai Khan]

!xmafia showcommands

||| MAFIABOT || Available commands: attack auth buy checklevel dance drop forceloadmodule gumby help join killghost loadmodule part quit roll set setroll showcommands slap take time unvote up upgrade vote xmafia |||

Note: To save you time. There's no command that will yield you the information you desire.

[serrapaladin]

But why would Pim target Syr over someone more obviously town like Rufflig or Tierce, if all he wanted was to block a town vote?

[serrapaladin]

*non-scum

[Voidedmafia]

I don't care what you got, I care about whether it worked as intended. If he's Malfunctioning, you would still get an ability, but it wouldn't do what it says on the tin.

Oh, it worked as intended, alright.

What possible motivation would PimHel have for trying to voteblock a member of the mafia?

What possible motivation ISN'T there?

Why exactly is voteblocking scum (to him) be a bad thing? If Syr is really scum, then that's one less vote scum have to push a mislynch.

Why would PimHel believe there is a non-town, non-mafia faction left in play?

...Where does this come from?

Khan: Awwwww....

[The Rufflig]

But why would Pim target Syr over someone more obviously town like Rufflig or Tierce, if all he wanted was to block a town vote?

Because he couldn't coordinate his ability with the mafia kill. He had to avoid likely mafia nk targets.

[serrapaladin]

What are you on about, VM? Pim was a Mafia-ally. That means he wins with scum, so he will want to damage town.

[Voidedmafia]

What are you on about, VM? Pim was a Mafia-ally. That means he wins with scum, so he will want to damage town.

How sure are you that it works like a traitor, then?