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Post Post #550 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 8:56 am

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NicCage: Jake from Rainbowdash, Dessx, Toomai, hp[leaves], Cheery Pie (5)
ac1983fan: Dyslexicon, Daemon385, Varsoon, NicCage(4)
Toomai: Scott Brosius, GoodCopBadCop (2)
Varsoon: ac1983fan (1)
Scott Brosius: Hapahauli (1)

Not voting -- (0)

With thirteen alive, it takes seven to lynch

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Post Post #551 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 9:11 am

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hp[leaves], so what? I know there wasn't much resistance to the AC wagon. That's generally what happens when I scream in a thread to lynch someone and bomb a giant case.

And honestly I'm much more skeptical about a wagon that slowly "creeps" on a player without meaningful resistance than a sudden wagon in an extremely volatile phase of the game (near lynch deadline).
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Post Post #552 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 9:14 am

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Toomai or NC are good lynches. Everybody should be voting one of these two.

EBWOP - It seems that acfan is still being voted... I guess I'll have to vote NC in the end.

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Post Post #553 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 9:15 am

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Acually hell, we have 3 days left.

UNVOTE: Scott Brosius
VOTE: ac1983fan

3 days to change your mind is worth the effort.
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Post Post #554 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 9:16 am

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GC - is your aversion to lynching ac1983fan still
only
based on his claim?
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Post Post #555 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 9:16 am

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Still don't like Toomai, Jake, or Scott.

With Scott on the Toomai wagon, I'd like to see a flip between those two the most.

I'm not convinced of AC, either way.
One-shot doctor sounds dumb.
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Post Post #556 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 9:17 am

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Like, who the fuck is practicing medicine but can only help someone once?
There's no such thing.
I mean, dude can lie, but at least lie better.
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Post Post #557 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 9:19 am

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In post 551, hapahauli wrote:hp[leaves], so what? I know there wasn't much resistance to the AC wagon. That's generally what happens when I scream in a thread to lynch someone and bomb a giant case.

And honestly I'm much more skeptical about a wagon that slowly "creeps" on a player without meaningful resistance than a sudden wagon in an extremely volatile phase of the game (near lynch deadline).
That's just wrong. A waggon on scum usually goes slow whilst a waggon on town goes faster in comparison.
hapahauli wrote:GC - is your aversion to lynching ac1983fan still
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based on his claim?
mostly, not only.
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Post Post #558 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 9:24 am

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In post 557, GoodCopBadCop wrote:
In post 551, hapahauli wrote:hp[leaves], so what? I know there wasn't much resistance to the AC wagon. That's generally what happens when I scream in a thread to lynch someone and bomb a giant case.

And honestly I'm much more skeptical about a wagon that slowly "creeps" on a player without meaningful resistance than a sudden wagon in an extremely volatile phase of the game (near lynch deadline).
That's just wrong. A waggon on scum usually goes slow whilst a waggon on town goes faster in comparison.
That's a broad overgeneralization. You need to take more specifics into account.

For example, the NC wagon (while slow) had zero resistance to it all game long (except from me, but everyone but J thinks I'm town). So what if it's "slow" - the ultimate effect/concept is still the same.

Also, regarding "fast" wagons, 5 votes overnight on someone after a big case and big push is pretty normal for what I"m used to (scum or town). A swell of votes is a situation where scum are incredibly afraid to post in, so often there's not much resistance at all to a last-minute wagon (even when scum is on the bloc).
hapahauli wrote:GC - is your aversion to lynching ac1983fan still
only
based on his claim?
mostly, not only.
What are the other reasons?
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Post Post #559 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 9:31 am

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In post 556, Varsoon wrote:Like, who the fuck is practicing medicine but can only help someone once?
There's no such thing.
I mean, dude can lie, but at least lie better.
1-shot doc does exsist on this site. Learn more about the site you are playing on before making assumptions.
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Post Post #560 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 9:34 am

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J, can you call your other half in here? I want to talk scumreads with Rainbow
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Post Post #561 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 9:36 am

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She says she can't access the site from work. I'll post in the QT that you want to speak with her
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Post Post #562 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 9:39 am

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That's fine, thanks for letting her know. She has a lot more experience on this site than I do, so I wanted to ask her some questions about vote dynamics/etc.
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Post Post #563 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 9:47 am

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In post 363, Toomai wrote:
In post 350, Jake from Rainbowdash wrote:@ Toomai - why do you think Nic is scum and what do you think of the recent votes on Scott.

Also what's your read on scott.
NC asked an arguably suspicion-shifting question in , sheeped in , uses to call my mistakes scumslips (that might be putting it a bit strong but that's kind of what I see right now), and in called a player town with no reason even though said player had not done anything in 80 posts.

I have SB as null/very weak scum. I can see why people don't like what he's doing (e.g. ) but don't currently think it's worth my vote.
In post 515, Toomai wrote:So with the suspended deadline maybe we can get a wagon rolling on SB.

I'm not unvoting NC yet though. He's been at L-1 twice now and needs to claim.
"Not worth your vote" then, MAYBE WE CAN GET A WAGON. This guy literally wants to lynch anybody. NC gains steam, hes on there. acfan gains steam hes on there, acfan loses steam jumps back to NC. hap wants to lead a wagon against me, hey maybe we can get some support!

The only thing worth Toomai's vote is any potential lynch.
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hp [leaves wrote: post_id=4960851 time=1368786195 user_id=10128]Hapa I may be willing to join you on the SB wagon if you elaborate your case a bit.
There's very little to elaborate on really.

The guy's lack of anything over the last few days is pretty scummy.

I just bombed the thread with suspicion against acfan over the last few days. The most natural thing to want to do is to comment on all of that, since it has been the focus of discussion. Yet not only does Scott completely
avoid
the topic... he goes and starts a new wagon.

So objectively, what is his goal? He says he wants to kick off a new wagon, but he neither puts in the time nor the effort to push it through. Furthermore, given his activity, it looks like he was planning just to plop his vote down and inactive until past the original 18 hour deadline.

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As a last bit, he's been lightly defending NC, but for someone who doesn't want NC lynched, he's not putting very much effort in not getting NC lynched.
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hp [leaves wrote: post_id=4959324 time=1368734632 user_id=10128]
In post 409, Toomai wrote:Well I guess I'll go back to where I was then.

Vote: NicCage


That said, 1-Shot Doctor seems like a really weird claim to me. It's weak and unusual enough that it doesn't look like something that would be faked, but in the same way it's far easier to explain why he's not being killed (since if the claim is true the Mafia probably would like to keep him around for a while to keep suspicion high, as opposed to a full Doctor claim which would make everyone expect instant death).
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Vote: ac1983fan
Both opportunistic, weak votes. I still don't understand why we're prioritizing NC over Toomai.


agree with this 100%. This has been the scummiest behavior I have seen yet. The timing of these votes is too convenient... jumping right in as it takes off, and jumping ship before it completely sinks.

I agree with the no PR d1 lynch group, and I still don't see NC scum. Acfan remaining alive certainly makes night decisions more difficult on scum if he's telling the truth.

There seems to be support for this wagon lingering but nobody wants to take that first step.

unvote, vote: toomai

Considering I gave my opinion on the acfan situation, not sure how I'm avoiding the topic. It may not meet your thesis-length requirement to back up any opinion though.
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Post Post #564 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 9:59 am

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Acfan remaining alive certainly makes night decisions more difficult on scum if he's telling the truth.
I expected more than this ya know.

And TOomai is probably not going to get lynched today.

Between NC and AC fan, who do you prefer and why?
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Post Post #565 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 10:06 am

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@Hapa - The fact that your case is largely meta (which according to acfan is around 4 years old).
- That the waggon grew really fast (not that convinced by this though).

Toomai prob won't get lynched today.
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Post Post #566 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 10:32 am

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Firstly, it's not 4 years old. AC fan admitted his mistake here:
In post 408, ac1983fan wrote:...

(Oh, and I made an error when responding to your first post. You said your quotes from Open 480 were from Mini 480, and I just assumed they were from one of the games I played back in 07/08. But it was actually from a different game. My bad)
Secondly, it's not a meta case. Sure I spent a lot of time on meta, but the core is that he's voting a player for reasons OTHER than that player being scum. That's pretty fucking scummy - scum want to lynch people for being "anti-town" and town want to lynch "scummy" players.
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Post Post #567 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 11:30 am

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UNVOTE: Niccage until I know what is going on in this game.
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Post Post #568 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 11:58 am

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UNVOTE:
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Post Post #569 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 12:34 pm

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In post 563, Scott Brosius wrote:This guy literally wants to lynch anybody. NC gains steam, hes on there. acfan gains steam hes on there, acfan loses steam jumps back to NC. hap wants to lead a wagon against me, hey maybe we can get some support!

The only thing worth Toomai's vote is any potential lynch.
For the record, for the last few pages I have been receptive towards lynching two people:
  • NicCage, because he started out scummy and now seems to be lurking, maybe hoping his wagon goes away. Since his wagon has been omnipresent throughout the day, lynching him would probably provide a good amount of information.
  • ac1983fan, because of the persuasive case posted and the weird claim (though I am still unsure whether to believe it).
I don't currently want to lynch Scott Brosius since I'm still kind of undecided on him; I was suggesting we might be able to start a wagon because it might generate more useful information.
This should be required reading for...everyone for anything, really.
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Post Post #570 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 1:09 pm

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:?:

Did I convince you?

*crosses fingers*
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Post Post #571 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 1:24 pm

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The replacement asked someone to unvote, so I obliged

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Post Post #572 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 1:31 pm

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He didn't? He just unvoted himself, cause Zefiend was on someone, right?
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Post Post #573 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 1:35 pm

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In post 567, Dessx wrote:UNVOTE: Niccage until I know what is going on in this game.
I thought he was asking since it wasn't Bolded. :shrug:
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Post Post #574 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 1:50 pm

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You don't have to wait for this pony to actually be at my laptop to ask me questions, its not like they will disappear by the time I get off of work (which may cut into access this weekend since I need to go in for at least one half day).

Also we are almost for sure going to be still voting NC here. Outside of something massive happening with regards to ac he wont be getting our vote today, if he is scum he is pushed into a corner for what he does. If he is town scum are pushed into a corner.

Plus he is a good pick for NC partner, if you look at the two the both sorta acknowledge eachother but don't really take stances for the most part. Not sure where you are getting "that's not scum and scum" from there.
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