Khan's Wacky Xylbot II Mafia (Mini 1441) (Game Over)

[BBmolla]

I'd say we should all go on a field trip to Xylbot to mess around with it, but out of game communication etc.

[Voidedmafia]

Not really interested.

Why do you want Syr lynched again, BB?

[BBmolla]

Don't really know who is alive anymore but only remember thinking Syr is scum.

[The Rufflig]

Rufflig, who's scum?

SerraPaladin

Why aren't you voting?

You don't seem surprised at my answer. You didn't even ask why it is SerraPaladin.

!

VOTE: SerraPaladin

[BBmolla]

Why you're not voting your scumread is a bit more important than why he's your scumread.

[Tierce]

Why you're not voting your scumread is a bit more important than why he's your scumread.

I disagree, tbh. But what I want from Rufflig in this case isn't justification, it's action. Justification is useless when I still have stuff to pore through from before.

Busy tonight, so will get to that asap.

[The Rufflig]

Why you're not voting your scumread is a bit more important than why he's your scumread.

I'm having a really hard time answering that without being snarky. It seems that you don't trust me. Ok.

I didn't see the need to bring it up earlier. I've been content letting the day play out for awhile without tipping my hand.

[Voidedmafia]

I've been content letting the day play out for awhile without tipping my hand.

On what? Your serra-scum read?

[serrapaladin]

Yo Rufflig, why am I scum?

Tierce's "he doesn't care enough to be scum" read on Syr is bad. Syr is still scum, maybe even with Tierce.

[The Rufflig]

Let's start with this from today:

Scumreads are Syr and shos.

VM, what happened with your nightaction? I doubt there are two mafia-allies, so if he's an actual inventor, he's basically town.

You placed shos on your scum list before hearing from Voided Mafia knowing full well that Voided Mafia might be able to condemn Shos or partially clear him. If there was any doubt that shos might be condemned as a malfunctioning inventor, Voided Mafia would have been killed to avoid the immediate threat. The scum had to let the uncertainty about shos be lifted as they felt a pressing need to deal with PimHel. Why PimHel? His sudden flip-flop on Parama read like a day-cop to them, so they missed his mafia-ally crumb. PimHel getting off another investigation would have had less chance of successfully identifying a scum than shos being exposed as a fraud. (Note: malfunctioning inventor may give an ability that does not malfunction according to the role list.) If shos was scum, the mafia would have had to risk PimHel staying alive another day and taken out Voided instead.

I seem to have drifted off topic there. My apologies. Still, why list shos as scum before verifying with Voided Mafia?

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This caught my eye from yesterday:

So this guy is third party? I doubt he's scum, but third party sounds about right.

You have actual scum candidates and you stop to take the time to ask about if a townie looking player might be a survivor? This just feels like you were quietly probing the waters to see if there was a possibility of a Rufflig mislynch in the future.

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From day 1:

My initial vote on Untrod was mostly because he was being useless, but given we're down to 10, probably with a good 5 non-town role, I thought better of it. Syry and shos have both been objectively more scummy. Best case, Untrod is town who doesn't really care about the game. Worst case, he's the actual jester or something and wants to get himself lynched. Either way, I don't like his lynch at all.

!xmafia replace wind-up

Your read on Untrod going from scummy to townie was completely WIFOM. I don't really see the difference between Untrod and wind-up. The former was present, trolling and not producing content. The latter was not so present and leaving a string of broken promises to produce content. The key point being that neither was producing content. However, you were quite fine with letting Untrod stick around. You had a problem with wind-up. Which means if I'm right about you, then I'm going to have to go after Tierce next.

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We also have your string of broken promises to produce detail reads with the exception of Syryana. I don't care about detailed town reads, but reasons about your scum suspects are in order.

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Enough to start with?

[serrapaladin]

Voided could have only condemned shos, who is scummy independent of his claim. I highly doubt scum-shos would kill Voided, as Pim was under much less suspicion, and Voided's death would implicate shos. It's pretty silly that you had to come up with the hypothetical that scum thought Pim was a day-cop for your musings to make sense.

I didn't stop to consider whether you might be a survivor. It was rather that that was the first thing that came to my mind after your odd affirmation of how townie you are, so I posted it. I wasn't probing the waters, as I see no reason to want a survivor lynched, nor have I indicated that I do. You're obviously not an SK, but I suppose there is the off-chance you're an arsonist.

Windup had been absent for ages (enough to get him replaced in any normal game), so I felt he should be replaced. UT hadn't been inactive, only useless, and I disagree with force-replacing someone because people would like someone better. The fact that you're trying to draw a connection between me and Tierce because I agreed to replace her absent predecessor is pretty bad. You're not scum after all, are you?

I am ever so sorry about considering real life > this game, but you might want to hold others to the same standard, as this game isn't really buzzing with activity. BB hasn't made a single comment about Syry's play all game, yet is voting him. Syry is owing a case on me, and Tierce still hasn't given a real line of argument as to why Syry isn't scum.

[Syryana]

Ya'll should probably stop WIFOM'ing about the whys and wherefores of Pim's voteblock on me. It's not going to get us anywhere.

My main hold-up with Syryana at present is his activity. He feels desinterested, and I know that he prefers playing scum. This is not a point of the game where I could picture him not bothering with the game if he were scum, even with PimHel's death. But I still want to go through my previous stuff and read things more thoroughly.

You're missing why I'm disinterested. You were so certain I was scum yesterday. What happened?

/crutch

Rufflig, who's scum?

Rufflig is your top townread?

Spoiler: Serra's case dissected

Yo Tierce, why point out OS' softclaim?

Scumreads are Syr and shos.

VM, what happened with your nightaction? I doubt there are two mafia-allies, so if he's an actual inventor, he's basically town.

Scummy stuff Syr has done:

• Considering the game mountainous when people were talking about roles.
  
  When there are 13 people in a Wacky game, all of whom may have different power roles, I felt the town's time was better spent finding scum over endless speculation. How is that scummy?
  
  
  
  
• Random OMGUS vote of Rufflig.
  
  First, that was pretty obviously a joke. Second, why point this OMGUS out and completely ignore my OMGUS of Voided when he broke my reaction test? #276
  
  
  
  
• Wanting to lynch Para while he was afk.
  
  Lol. The game hadn't gone anywhere in three days. I picked Parama because he'd done shit I didn't like and voted him for the hell of it. Then look! Activity!
  
  
  
  
• Pointing suspicion at me for defending him, when I was attacking Rufflig's post.

  Huh, fairly new town seeing non-standard RVS as scummy is quite common though.

  That's a pretty lame attack. Even your ally Pim pointed out how bad that post was. Furthermore, you were attacking Pim, not Rufflig. In that single sentence, you call me new town and ascribe my suspicion of Parama to that.
  
  
  
  
• Backpedaling on that attack, calling it a reaction test, and voting Voided for allegedly ruining the reaction test. His VM vote was just a cheap attempt to sell the idea that he was actually reaction testing.
  
  It was a reaction test. Where's the backpedaling? Your #262 sucked, I wanted a reaction so I made a point about how you were defending me (slightly exaggerated for effect). Voided promptly blundered in and ruined the whole thing, so I OMGUS'd him.
  
  
  
  
• Voting UT for lack of content (which is not necessarily alignment indicative) and being on the Varsoon wagon (which Syr was, too).
  
  This completely ignores my #284.
  
  
  
  
• Not posting in pseudo-twilight when Para was fakehammered.
  
  Beating a dead horse on this one.
  
  
  
  
• His entire case on me relies on me asking questions that haven't led to me finding scum, when he hasn't been doing any better. He literally only quotes a few of my posts, without any indication of why they're bad...
  
  You haven't seen my case on you yet. Your case on me is pretty bad, though.

Mafia-ally means a single 2-man scum team (see Katsuki's massive list of test-setups), so I think it's Syr/shos. Going through Syr's ISO, he doesn't direct a single post at shos, nor gives any justification for his read at all, he just votes shos twice. 589 references his scumread on shos, which he never gave any indication of, except by temporarily voting him twice.

Spoiler: Why you should be voting serra

Wacky isn't necessarily bastard, I think - it's just swingy and PR heavy. If your role says VT, you're most likely a VT. I don't like Syryana's "treating this as mountainous". Care to elaborate, Syr?

Not liking Serra voting 'with reason'.

K?

PimHel and Syryana/Varsoon's back-and-forth about activity is odd. Doesn't really strike me as something either would want to waste time over on D2 of play.

Hey, I'm talkative.
And, besides, it's like...
USERS CURRENTLY BROWSING THIS FORUM: Varsoon

Particularly this is deflecting an accusation of lurking that wasn't made. Jumpy?


Why are we PLing monkeyman?

Mass claim later, methinks.

Serra's first post of relevance. In it, he casts a wide net of suspicion: suspects include me, Pim, Varsoon. Though he sees things he calls "suspicious" or "odd", he makes no move to follow up on those suspicions excepting his question regarding my mountainous statement. The questions he does ask in no way help him scumhunt: e.g. "Jumpy?", "K?", "Why are we PLing Monkeyman?". Furthermore, he makes no mention of Sharper whom he is voting for "reasons" in his first post. Granted that post was made in RVS, but serra's #28 does not read to me like an RVS post. He makes a crack on the mod and then moves his vote to a "serious" place for "reasons".

what are your exact thoughts about Sharper, Varsoon and Syry?

Syryana seems town. Sharper bothers me a bit, but there's not really enough to go off yet. Varsoon looks scummy.

If you think that one of the active players is scum, you should give us something. Not a possibility, as that's fake.

I'm not sure I get what you mean with the 'fake' part. Also, please explain your UT vote (which, btw, I'm not sure counts, being on one line with the unvote).

Shos is likely town.

Hang on. Wasn't he voting Sharper for reasons? He says in #97:

!vote Varsoon

Serra brought it to my attention that Varsoon has responded too heavily to the 'accusation' of sorta-lurking.

It's more that he responded to an 'accusation' that wasn't even made.

Sharper is also a good vote, though.

Yet now we have him saying there "isn't enough to go off yet". What the actual fuck? This is a pretty glaring inconsistency in his reads. Speaking of his reads: Why am I town? Why is Varsoon scummy? Why is shos likely town? I don't like lots of unexplained reads. He never explains them either.

Are we honestly not going to talk about Parama's derphammer? I can't find any comparably derpy play from him recently and with 100+ completed games I would hope that's not common for him.

!vote Parama

What was with the certainty Varsoon would flip town? Really don't like the fact that you're trying to paint your vote as positive in any way, shape or form. You should have read the game regardless of whether there'd been a hammer or not.

The wagon had already been driven to L-1. If you were so sure Varsoon was town, that should have been equally useful in gathering reads from. Your flurry of posts after your hammer looks a lot like you trying to talk yourself out of/smokescreening any blame for the hammer. I don't buy shos-scum, nor do I see why you'd think he'd be killed last night.

BB, why so selective in how you apply your sig?

This post isn't terribly scummy in and of itself, but it should be noted because it becomes important later. Do note that serra is continuing to ask passively-worded questions that aren't helping him ferret out alignment (e.g. "why so selective in applying your sig", "what was with the certainty Varsoon would flip town").

Well I can 100% guarantee you that BB isn't mafia in this game, or even a harmful third. He's either town or jester, so lynching him is bad.

And I liked you before but your stubborn insistence to not logic is baffling

BB is not a bad player, there's no way he's transparent enough for you to make that statement. I don't have a scumread on him, but I see no logical reason to give him a town-pass. I also still haven't seen a compelling case against shos, so you can attack my logic all you want and risk me completely ignoring you, or you can start using some hard logic yourself. Also, what have you done around here for people to not find derp-hammers by you suspicious?

!unvote

The unlyncher thing was a surely a joke. Rufflig, mind explaining your thoughts about Syr?

Serra points out that there's no way Parama should be so certain Molla is jester/town. Yet, even though serra really doesn't like Parama due to the derphammer and "smokescreening" afterwards and points out Parama should in no way be sure Molla is town, he... unvotes Parama? To query Rufflig about me, when I am a townread(or was last time he mentioned me)? More inconsistencies in serra's reads.

I would, but people here are insisting that's par for the course...

Wait, so you meta'd Parama, found nothing to indicate he derphammers (#206), and now you're taking people's word that he just kinda does that sort of thing?

Why?

The BP thing I'm happy to ignore, but aside from that I've made similar points against Para. Rather than just insisting shos is scum, I dislike how Para refuses to explain why shos is scum.

Only reason I'm not voting Para is because people are insisting he does that as town.

Same as above.

Huh, fairly new town seeing non-standard RVS as scummy is quite common though.

Parama's massive wall basically has shos scum for allegedly taking stuff too literal, calling out lurkers, not scumhunting and voting Varsoon. The first two points are non-tells, the third is less true than for many others (like UT) and Varsoon was wagoned to L-1 before he got derp-hammered. The Varsoon wagon was bad in hindsight, but I see worse votes on it than shos' (PimHel/UT).

Actually, I think I'll
!vote Untrod_Tripod

This was the post that spawned my reaction test. That's not why it's interesting though. Note the bolded. He basically shreds Parama's shitty reasoning to call shos scum, but rather than moving his vote back to Parama (which he had no reason to move in the first place) he votes Untrod. He's never even

mentioned

Untrod up to this point. He's been attacking Parama for his last few posts, yet for some reason unvotes and moves his vote to Untrod. More stunningly inconsistent play from serra.

275 to 280.

Calling his attack on my alleged defense of him a 'reaction test' after VM attacked it reeks of backpedaling. Then he votes Voided and unvotes after I call the vote bad.

Also, of the Varsoon votes, his was among the worst.

This is an opportunistic attack on me. First, he has yet to explain what about it "reeks of backpedaling". I made a moderately exaggerated question to get something from serra then Voided comes in and starts answering for serra, rather destroying the whole thing. Not seeing the backpedaling. The second point: my Voided vote lasted for four minutes. I pretty blatantly stated my Voided vote wasn't serious.

The Varsoon votes point is what gave this attack the "opportunistic" vibe. He's had a whole day to make this point about me. Why hasn't he made it before now? The tone of the whole post is "hey I got Syr doing something that I can say looks scummy, let's goooooooooooo!" He glanced through my ISO to see what he could throw in there with his Syrscum discovery and that was what he found.

Voided, did the ability gifted to you by shos do anything verifiably useful? Did it work?

Why would a scum inventor tarfet townies

trips me up a bit, as scum can't be normal inventors, and if his role is the normal inventor, he should know that.

UT looks very much like the town type of not giving a shit and his attackers are being pretty opportunistic. I don't really see Para/BB together, but either one of them, or them on separate teams is quite likely if shos is town.

Fishing for information about the item Voided got from shos. Inventors can be mafia-ally. Calls the people voting Untrod opportunistic, but does not follow this line of thought or even mention specific instances of this "opportunism".

...Care to give posthumous reasoning, Syr?

First lynch Untrod.
If scum, attack Serra for his quick change on Untrod or Rufflig for trying to force-replacing Untrod, while Untrod is now at his peak in activity.
If town, which I doubt, Serra is still a good option for faking reads.

So leave Syry alone.

So I'm scum for my quick change if he's scum and I'm scum for my fake read if he's town? My initial vote on Untrod was mostly because he was being useless, but given we're down to 10, probably with a good 5 non-town role, I thought better of it. Syry and shos have both been objectively more scummy. Best case, Untrod is town who doesn't really care about the game. Worst case, he's the actual jester or something and wants to get himself lynched. Either way, I don't like his lynch at all.

!xmafia replace wind-up

Serra has now completely changed his mind about Untrod. First he votes Untrod for no apparent reason, drops that line of inquiry entirely to attack me, mentions a scumslip from shos, drops that too, and now UT is town. I'm getting overwhelmed by inconsistencies.

Tierce is pretty cool.

Pushing a policy lynch? On

page 1

? This is pretty transparently bad play. Possible jester? I originally thought so. Now we have two possible jesters, both on page 1. Interesting.

Yeah, because using policy as an RVS reason is just "transparently bad".

Both Syr and shos are pushing BB/Para as scum together. My guess is, it's Syr, shos and either BB or Para (probably the latter). I refuse to believe a BB/Para pairing.

Welcome, Tierce.

Damn it, Tierce. I've been trying to tone down my towniness so I could make it further into the games more often. Looks like I'm still a fairly easy alignment read, though. Oh well.

So this guy is third party? I doubt he's scum, but third party sounds about right.

The Para selfvote just screams gambit....

Post 149 was the kind of :effort: crap Parama pulls as scum. I was fine with the hammer coming from him, but the following post was really really bad. Post 315 is equally bad. You want to see someone who clearly believes you are scum? /)U^.^U/) (\U^.^U(\

not meta.

Also, you seem to be funneling her points about how you play as "meta" in general and aren't actually trying to differentiate the points...which is a problem of the strawmanistic kind (screw you all, I just made a new word). Just because the points fall under the "meta" label doesn't absolve you of having to answer them.

P-EDIT: Which is still not a reason to look for them.

Why would you pick the least specific part of Tierce's case to point out? The lines you quoted are just stating how bad Para is, which doesn't constitute a case, meta or otherwise. (btw Para, you know that 1st, 2nd line etc. depends on your screen resolution and text size, right? For me that was all one line.)

In this post, serra sucks up to Tierce, passively pushes a me/shos/one of Parama or Molla scumteam, and calls Rufflig third party. He calls out a "scumteam" but provides no reasoning whatsoever as to why (what a shock). Furthermore this post was made shortly after I made my gigantic "Parama/Molla" wall; his first sentence criticizes one small piece of the wall and then completely ignores the rest. He is adamant that Parama and Molla are not scumbuddies but provides no reasoning why and does not mention any point of my wall except the first even though it is a case on a Parama/Molla team.

His note on Rufflig as third party is totally off as well. Serra's voted four separate people today (me, untrod, parama, shos) and he makes some off the wall comment about a third party? Why does he even care? He's got lots of scumreads he hasn't bothered to explore yet.

Given his last two posts by shos, I'm more inclined to believe he's town. I don't think the normal inventor role exists for scum, shos. It should say which alignments your role can be in your role PM.

!unvote

From Syr trying to tie BB and Para together as a scumteam, I get the impression he's scum with one of them and wants to ensure a mislynch when his scumbuddy gets lynched. The same could sort of apply to shos, as well, but I think Syr is scummier on his own.

With Rufflig's reply to Tierce's comment about how obvtown he is, I sort of got the vibe he's third party who is playing a town game. I don't often see town replying to comments about how town they look.

Para, you should probably claim.

I think we could learn a lot by lynching Para, but the selfvote worries me... I'm still not sure whether it's a ballsy gambit or whether he actually is town trying to move the game forward. I highly doubt he's a jester, as shos suggested.

I'll give more detailed reads later today or tomorrow.

Still haven't seen those reads he promised. Doesn't want to vote Parama because his self-vote might be a town thing? Lol? I actually called him out on that particular bit of fencesitting. Continues to say how scummy I am; still isn't voting me. Also, as I noted in #534 and #541, he fencesits on Parama and repeats his post #512 almost verbatim. Filler ftw!

Syr, are you honestly calling a post that calls you scum with either Para or BB fencesitting?

I am honestly unsure about what the hell Para is doing, but given he's at L-1 and refuses to claim or unvote himself, I'd be tempted to hammer.

I'll give in-depth reads first, when I find some time, though. I really don't know why PimHel is calling be out on that so much more than for example Voided or BB, but I'm happy to oblige.

More broken promises. My heart can't take this any more.

Bah, 554 is fake as fuck.

Why, oh mighty serra? You should explain this in words so we mere mortals can understand!

Bah, 554 is fake as fuck.

And the gathered masses held their breath in anticipation of the mighty words of the prophet; they wept and tore at their robes when this was what they received.

It seems my gambit did not work as well as I had hoped.

It's pretty unlikely that there's only one non-town directed kill, plus Para's reaction to the fakehammer looked pretty fake, so Para is a good lynch. I still think he's scum with Syr (or maybe shos), but worst case he's an SK.

!vote Parama

Back to L-1.

!vote Syryana

I'm pretty sure it's not MyLo, so that should be fine.

How the fuck would you know? If it's a three player scumteam, it is MyLo. Furthermore, MyLo or not, why would that affect your vote? If you legitimately believed me to be scum, you wouldn't bother to note that it's not MyLo and that your vote on me is "fine".

I didn't see that setup, Rufflig, but the vast majority have 2 scum, so it's fairly unlikely we're in MyLo. Is there any way to find out whether mafia-ally knows who scum are? I would have thought he doesn't have any more knowledge than a townie, in which case him targeting Syr and him choosing last night to first use his skill don't mean anything. At the very least it's fair to say that scum didn't know what Pim was.

Voided, can you confirm shos?

Still fishin for that inventor power Voided got.

But why would Pim target Syr over someone more obviously town like Rufflig or Tierce, if all he wanted was to block a town vote?

There is a serra partner in these two. Haven't figured out which one yet. If there's three scum, maybe both.

But why would scum-VM clear you? Unless of course you're both scum...

Flinging more suspicion.

A quick check of Tenements shows three prods for scum-Syry...

The game dynamic is completely different here than it was in Tenements. How did you miss this, Tierce? This is a pretty blatantly fuckawful use of meta.

So, TLDR version: Serra's play has been inconsistent as hell, he's been role/power fishing, he hasn't been scumhunting, he continues to promise but refuses to deliver detailed reads, his scumreads are opportunistic and/or make little sense and the single case he's made was incredibly awful. He should eat rope ASAP.

[Tierce]

I haven't even touched Tenements yet, Syryana. (And that goes as well for serra's insistence that I haven't 'yet' provided 'a real line of argument' for the possibility of Syryana not being scum.) Also goes for game dynamics, etc., etc. Why do you think I'm not voting? I still have to weave something coherent from this game and it won't be tonight. I did, however, get ice cream tonight, so the world's a better place~

Yes, Rufflig is my top Townread.

[Syryana]

Fair enough. What I was most surprised you didn't call out though was serra's "well Syr got three prods in Tenements as scum" thing. That's a pretty blatantly bad meta argument considering how oversimplified it is.

[Syryana]

Wait, didn't you use Tenements in some kind of argument about me before?

[Syryana]

In The Tenements you weren't around after the D1 or D2 hammers, D3 was a very short twilight during which you didn't post anywhere, and D4 was a quickhammer by you.

The hell? You at the least skimmed Tenements. Now you're saying you haven't touched it?

[Tierce]

In The Tenements you weren't around after the D1 or D2 hammers, D3 was a very short twilight during which you didn't post anywhere, and D4 was a quickhammer by you.

The hell? You at the least skimmed Tenements. Now you're saying you haven't touched it?

I mean the prods thing. I was just looking for Twilight posts when I was looking through it before, and didn't read the game or went through full Days/mod ISO to spot prods and activity.

[Syryana]

Hmm.

I am interested to see the fruits of your labor once you go back and reread things. Intriguing that your hangup on your scumread on me is "I know he likes to be scum more, and his lack of activity at this stage is alarming given that."

[The Rufflig]

@serrapaladin: I can come up with no better explanation for PimHel's death. There were two players rather widely regarded as townie, 1 exposed power role in the form of an inventor and a player who had openly acknowledged receiving an ability from said inventor. Why else would the scum bypass all of these targets to kill PimHel? If Voided Mafia had been killed then the question of shos ability would have continued and been much more WIFOMy. The only scum pairing that works with shos would be Voided Mafia. shos choosing PimHel last night is troublesome in that regard. Syryana/shos pairing does not make sense.

As for this game being a bit of an energy drain, I agree. I don't really feel like arguing over my alignment. I'm not third party. I'm town. I can prove it. I have a demonstrable ability. Would you care to know what it is? I see little reason in hiding my ability any longer as I must be a prime target already. I'll tell you right now that it will be impossible to lynch me this game and these little remarks of yours will never go anywhere.

[Voidedmafia]

Voided could have only condemned shos, who is scummy independent of his claim. I highly doubt scum-shos would kill Voided, as Pim was under much less suspicion, and Voided's death would implicate shos. It's pretty silly that you had to come up with the hypothetical that scum thought Pim was a day-cop for your musings to make sense.

Considering that I would either confirm he did what he said, actively deny it, or (as scum) do as Tierce said and not acknowledge him at all and kill him N2), I don't see how I could "only condemn" shos. Only two of those options would condemn him, though one would eventually make that be null.

[serrapaladin]

Wow that case was bad. I might respond to it in full when I don't have a flight to catch in a few hours and haven't slept in ages, but a few quick comments:

All the "inconsistencies" you point out are either gross misinterpretations on your part or progressions on my part.

I haven't been rolefishing at all. I explicitly said that I DON'T want to know about WHAT happened, just WHETHER something happened or not. I wanted to see whether there's any evidence that shos might be a Malfunctioning Inventor.

The meta point about Tenements was in response to Tierce's assertion that Syry is too disengaged to be scum. I wouldn't classify someone who gets 3 prods (and has a pretty low postcount for surviving to endgame) in his most recent scum-game as very engaged as scum. Extensive metaing is obviously part of Tierce's play style, and I'm wondering whether she might have intended to defend Syry now that he might actually get lynched by using incomplete/incorrect meta under the assumption that no one would check (not a huge stretch given this town). Call it simplistic if you will, but activity isn't a particularly nuanced matter, and Tierce's statement was demonstrably incorrect.

Rufflig, are you being serious about not coming up with a better explanation? You know that people can lie, right? There is no way of knowing whether shos actually targeted Pim last night. If anything, it's a bit convenient that shos' target also happened to be the NK target. Why does Syry/shos not make sense? Please ISO Syry and look for mentions of shos. He's making the classic mistake of completely ignoring his scumbuddy. shos sending 1 role at town-voided to confirm himself and the second one at his scumbuddy, while claiming to have targeted the NK target, makes sense. I don't know how exactly the Malfunctioning Inventor works, but I would assume that the chance of a single use on a townie confirming his as Malfunctioning is rather slim. In terms of being above suspicion, Pim was as good a target as any, so I could see why Syry/shos would choose him.

I'm not interested in you claiming, as I don't particularly want you lynched. I am rather trying to figure out why you're so convinced that I'm scum. If you're a survivor, you don't actually have any interest in lynching scum, so that would make the most sense to me. I can assure you I'm not scum, and if you are town, you should be voting Syry with me instead.

Voided, I meant that in terms of "you cannot CONFIRM shos' role, you can either DENY or NOT DENY."

So yeah, Syry/shos makes the most sense, and if there is a third, it's probably Tierce.

[Voidedmafia]

I'm not interested in you claiming, as I don't particularly want you lynched. I am rather trying to figure out why you're so convinced that I'm scum. If you're a survivor, you don't actually have any interest in lynching scum, so that would make the most sense to me. I can assure you I'm not scum, and if you are town, you should be voting Syry with me instead.

I'm going to be soon, so if you're up could you show me where exactly you got the idea he was a survivor again?

Also, I guess that's okay, but how would I be unable to confirm his role then?

[The Rufflig]

You need to reread my last post when you aren't in a hurry, serrapaladin.

[Syryana]

Wow that case was bad. I might respond to it in full when I don't have a flight to catch in a few hours and haven't slept in ages, but a few quick comments:

We'll add this to the list of things you owe us: detailed reads list (bare minimum scumreads with reasons), response to my case, response to Rufflig's case.

All the "inconsistencies" you point out are either gross misinterpretations on your part or progressions on my part.

O rly? You playing the same game the rest of us are? Cause that ISO was painful to read and damned nonsensical.

I haven't been rolefishing at all. I explicitly said that I DON'T want to know about WHAT happened, just WHETHER something happened or not. I wanted to see whether there's any evidence that shos might be a Malfunctioning Inventor.

I might buy that, except you keep asking things like "didja use it? you sure? it did what it said it would, rite?" That's way more info than you need as town; a simple "Voided, is shos town?" would suffice. As scum though, you're worried about whatever he got and who he used it on/what it does.

The meta point about Tenements was in response to Tierce's assertion that Syry is too disengaged to be scum. I wouldn't classify someone who gets 3 prods (and has a pretty low postcount for surviving to endgame) in his most recent scum-game as very engaged as scum. Extensive metaing is obviously part of Tierce's play style, and I'm wondering whether she might have intended to defend Syry now that he might actually get lynched by using incomplete/incorrect meta under the assumption that no one would check (not a huge stretch given this town). Call it simplistic if you will, but activity isn't a particularly nuanced matter, and Tierce's statement was demonstrably incorrect.

Yeah, except you're using a blanket statement (I got three prods in a scumgame) to augment your scum case on me without looking at the game itself. If you'd actually skimmed Tenements, my lurking there was strategic; the town was doing what I wanted them to do and lynching townies, so there was no need to post to guide them further. The prods were an unfortunate result of me sucking at prod dodging, not me being disinterested.

Rufflig, are you being serious about not coming up with a better explanation? You know that people can lie, right? There is no way of knowing whether shos actually targeted Pim last night. If anything, it's a bit convenient that shos' target also happened to be the NK target. Why does Syry/shos not make sense? Please ISO Syry and look for mentions of shos. He's making the classic mistake of completely ignoring his scumbuddy. shos sending 1 role at town-voided to confirm himself and the second one at his scumbuddy, while claiming to have targeted the NK target, makes sense. I don't know how exactly the Malfunctioning Inventor works, but I would assume that the chance of a single use on a townie confirming his as Malfunctioning is rather slim. In terms of being above suspicion, Pim was as good a target as any, so I could see why Syry/shos would choose him.

Speaking of shitty meta, this. If you actually bothered to read my scumgames (Tenements particularly, I don't remember what happened in Duck duck goose but that was a long time ago), you'd notice that one thing I never do is ignore my partners. Try ISO'ing me, gorckat, Slandaar. Furthermore, your point about shos is silly and makes no sense. If he was a Malfunctioning Inventor like you say, why would he give his alleged scumbuddy an item? Also, why are you now attempting to cast doubt on Voided's claim shos is town?

I'm not interested in you claiming, as I don't particularly want you lynched. I am rather trying to figure out why you're so convinced that I'm scum. If you're a survivor, you don't actually have any interest in lynching scum, so that would make the most sense to me. I can assure you I'm not scum, and if you are town, you should be voting Syry with me instead.

Voided, I meant that in terms of "you cannot CONFIRM shos' role, you can either DENY or NOT DENY."

So yeah, Syry/shos makes the most sense, and if there is a third, it's probably Tierce.

So, I'm scum because of that "case" of yours I shredded, shos is scum because I ignore him, and Tierce is scum because she realized she might be wrong about me? Eat rope.

And as that above post got me interested in relative activity, let's look at serra's:

10 posts Day 1 - 2 days in length
35 posts Day 2 - 28 days in length
20 posts Day 3 - 5 days in length

Well don't that beat all? Look at his activity on Day 2 versus Day 3. Day 2 lasted a month, Day 3 has been five days long, and he's already got more than half the posts he did on Day 2! His post/day ratio has gone from 1.25 to 4, a 320% increase!

What's different about toDay? Man's gotta defend himself from all them unsightly accusations, don't ya know. He wasn't a target yesterDay, so he didn't need to be as active.

More votes on serra, please.

[Tierce]

The meta point about Tenements was in response to Tierce's assertion that Syry is too disengaged to be scum. I wouldn't classify someone who gets 3 prods (and has a pretty low postcount for surviving to endgame) in his most recent scum-game as very engaged as scum. Extensive metaing is obviously part of Tierce's play style, and I'm wondering whether she might have intended to defend Syry now that he might actually get lynched by using incomplete/incorrect meta under the assumption that no one would check (not a huge stretch given this town). Call it simplistic if you will, but activity isn't a particularly nuanced matter, and Tierce's statement was demonstrably incorrect.

Syryana has stated he prefers playing as scum. This is a fact, I'm not making it up. People will be more engaged as the alignments they prefer, as a general rule. There are a multitude of other factors that come into it. Syryana was being disengaged here, and yes, that is enough to give me pause, and I'm not going to ignore that feeling. Pointing to a scumgame and saying "but there were three prods here!" is hardly a complex explanation of

why

Syryana didn't post there, and as I've said,

I haven't been checking stuff thoroughly

, so how do you expect me to have all this data?

You're calling me buddies with Syryana on this 'incorrect' thing because... I am defending my buddy through faulty meta in

hopes no one will check it?

I... my brain. I'm bad as scum, but you're saying I'd leave such a glaring hole on my defense

deliberately

? Sorry to bust your bubble, but, huh,

no

.