Mini 1449 - Ordinary Town

[Dyslexicon]

Yeah, we have some 12-14 hours I hear? (Please confirm this) In which case I need to sleep first, considering it's 5am here.
Anyway, I'm up for lynching ac19, as previously stated, the suspicion against him won't go away tomorrow anyway. I'm also good with Scott, though a bit more unsure. He is lurkish (if I have the nerve to call someone that) and does scummy one-liner insinuations. The option of Cheery intrigues me, but I'll have to do some more rereading to be confident with that, and that'll be after some hours of sleep.

[hapahauli]

Yes we have about 13 hours to go.

Get some sleep and come back to us. Though I can't promise that we won't settle on you in the meantime.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

Day One ends in (expired on 2013-05-20 12:00:00)

The mod is using the countdown feature. This is the exact amount of time we have as of this post

[hapahauli]

When on earth were you leaning scum on Jake? Since when?

Also, if you were leaning scum on Jake, you were you following him on the NC wagon? What?

Since after Varsoon voted him and I felt that it was a possible bus.
The NC vote came back because I felt he was scummier than acfan and Varsoon wasn't getting lynched.

Current thoughts on Varsoon?

And wait. You thought that Jake was bussing his "teammate" that hardcore from the outset of Day 1? That's like...

[hapahauli]

What are Cheery Pie's individual personas? Also, which half is posting right now?

[Daemon385]

Idk I'm still a bit confused on the Varsoon van to be honest. I think I may need a recap on why so many people want to vote him so badly

[hapahauli]

Idk I'm still a bit confused on the Varsoon van to be honest. I think I may need a recap on why so many people want to vote him so badly

Old news.

Who do you want to lynch Daemon? List me all of your scum suspects. Even if they're gut feels, I don't care.

[Cheery Pie]

going back through cheery's iso to see when he first says I am a scum read (haven't finished yet) but I missed this and wanted to respond to it

I don't recall seeing this stance in monopoly mafia. (even before Lurker slipped)
You had no troubles lynching a claimed cop in lylo there either.

1. when lurker claimed people actually started un-voting him so why would I have brought it up? If people were still voting him and more started to vote him, I would have said something. After he slipped, I couldn't vote and he pretty much admitted he was scum so this is a moot point. Why bring it up when this scenario is COMPLETELY different?

2. did you seriously mention the 2nd part? first, lylo is NOT the same thing as day 1 and there were a lot of claimed PRs, some OMG at least 1 of the claimed PRs was lying. Out of the claimed PRs he was the most scummiest to me. The fact that you are even mentioning that in relation to a day 1 PR claim is just plain wrong.

1. You weren't voting on before/after - but you were questioning people for removing their votes after his claim.
2. At the time I hadn't read further down the page and seen you mention day 1, but you wanted to vote him earlier than lylo as well. I didn't have more day 1 data from you, but that's the case.

I'm also ok with an AC lynch cause fuck him if he's actually town. Really fuck both of them IMO.

What happened to the never lynching a day-1 PR claim policy?

his last post was essentially a big FUCK YOU to everyone because he is trying to start a new wagon that nobody else is voting. he is essentially trying to get town to NL

also if you go back at look at his post 400, he had slight scum reads on Dyslexia & HP leaves, yet does nothing to question them, he only mentions Dyslexia's name one time after 400, and it wasn't to question him, it was to say he previously asked him some questions. As for HP, he never mentions him at all except for post 400.

-J

Therefore Dashie would have the same problem with you as she did in regards to Pie and GC doing almost that same thing.

Also for the people that seemingly can't read - my scum read on Jake.

Go to the last VC and what is happening. Varsoon is getting ran up against NC. What is the reaction from Varsoon? Attack a player who is voting NC. That accomplishes absolutely nothing from a scum perspective and instead is more of throwing rocks at a hornet nest. Not only is he making a vote that keeps him closer to a lynch as the leading wagon while easily being able to vote NC, but it also stands the chance of angering a player off the wagon who is defending him.

That doesn't explain why he was town beforehand that point.

and I still disagree, simply because that vote and reasons given looks to me like weak distancing and thus that he's moved somewhere else won't change my mind.

Which therefore means I'm now reading you slightly scummy, and the fact you've explained some differences doesn't mean much to me. (probably because my own hydra isn't working seamlessly either, by which I'm waiting for Pie to see if it also looks that way to him or if I'm just way too annoyed about the constant "I'm town" comments coming from Varsoon that I've started tunneling.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

What are Cheery Pie's individual personas? Also, which half is posting right now?

Cheery Dog and pieceofpecanpie iirc

Cheery dog is the one who was scum in monopoly and tried to use the fact that I voted the wrong person in lylo against me to discredit my day 1 policy, like lylo has ANYTHING to do with Day 1. What fucking townie would do that shit? none. Cheery has confrimed himself as scum, but since I don't think we can get a cheery wagon in the short amount of time we have, I feel like Nic or AC is going to get lynched.

-J

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

1. You weren't voting on before/after - but you were questioning people for removing their votes after his claim.
2. At the time I hadn't read further down the page and seen you mention day 1, but you wanted to vote him earlier than lylo as well. I didn't have more day 1 data from you, but that's the case.

1. misrep
2. any other day than day 1 =/= day 1

[Cheery Pie]

Current thoughts on Varsoon?

And wait. You thought that Jake was bussing his "teammate" that hardcore from the outset of Day 1? That's like...

Varsoon's still a scum read.

and it was Varsoon bussing Jake. (or at least distancing as there was no chance the wagon would actually take off)

What are Cheery Pie's individual personas? Also, which half is posting right now?

Cheery.

lol jake

[Cheery Pie]

1. You weren't voting on before/after - but you were questioning people for removing their votes after his claim.
2. At the time I hadn't read further down the page and seen you mention day 1, but you wanted to vote him earlier than lylo as well. I didn't have more day 1 data from you, but that's the case.

1. misrep

Explain your actions there then, because that's clearly what I am seeing when checking that game.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

You weren't voting on before/after - but you were questioning people for removing their votes after his claim.

and let me explain WHY it's a misrep

Since he was wondering why lurker didn't claim til L-1. I think the main point now is if you were voting lurker and unvoted him who do you suspect now?

Right now, I have everyone as null, with Lurker town because of his claim. I'm going to iso a few people tomorrow and continue from there.

so your read on lurker went from scum to town because of the claim?

I questioned AI because his read went from Scum to town because of the claim. To do a 180 on someone JUST because the claim is scummy. OH SHIT, dude was the SK. I am fucking smart YO

and he is pretty much the only person I questioned, and then I continued my push on SC and guess what? OH SHIT, Stranger Coug was CheeryDog, WHO WAS SCUM!!! Why did I ignore that in lylo I will have no clue

yeah, go die now scum.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

1. You weren't voting on before/after - but you were questioning people for removing their votes after his claim.
2. At the time I hadn't read further down the page and seen you mention day 1, but you wanted to vote him earlier than lylo as well. I didn't have more day 1 data from you, but that's the case.

1. misrep

Explain your actions there then, because that's clearly what I am seeing when checking that game.

you are scum looking through scum googles aren't you? look at the post I just made and that will pretty much confirm that you aren't looking at that game with town goggles.

ok, can we quick lynch this scum? I'm going to bed but if there is support for a Cheery wagon (and even votes) I will join this mother fucking wagon in a heat beat.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

I questioned AI because his read went from Scum to town because of the claim. To do a 180 on someone JUST because the claim is scummy. OH SHIT, dude was the SK. I am fucking smart YO

to clear it up better

a person who goes "oh that dude claimed a PR so he is town now" is not the same as "let's not take the risk of lynching a PR on day 1, even if the case is awesome" which is basically what I said this game.

I am going to go back to see if anyone did a 180 on AC because of his claim, if they did that person can be scum also. (though I doubt anyone did a 180 on him)

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

if anyone has the time and want to prove either of us right or wrong, please do. I am pretty sure what he is implying I did in that game ACTUALLY never happened - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=24418 and of course both he and I are biased.

[Cheery Pie]

It can't be a full 180 if he never actually had a scum read there.

anyway on with this game, as I said before, I'm not in support of a flash wagon happening on anyone, so can we hurry up and lynch NC?

[hapahauli]

It can't be a full 180 if he never actually had a scum read there.

anyway on with this game, as I said before, I'm not in support of a flash wagon happening on anyone, so can we hurry up and lynch NC?

Why do you want to lynch someone that's acting Obvtown in the last few hours?

Why do I disagree with literally everything you say?

[Jake from State Farm]

he was voting him, his wagon was growing and he kept his vote on him. him saying "claiming VT doesn't save you" and "This could be a bluff" does not come from a person who has a town read on them. It comes from a person who he has a scum read on. The fact that AI was a SK, he had no idea who mafia was or wasn't and imo SK have to play like town.

I have every reason to believe he did a 180.

p.edit - I agree with what hap just posted.

I also disagree with a flash wagon though, unless it's on Cheery, then I am ok with it.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

he was voting him, his wagon was growing and he kept his vote on him. him saying "claiming VT doesn't save you" and "This could be a bluff" does not come from a person who has a town read on them. It comes from a person who he has a scum read on. The fact that AI was a SK, he had no idea who mafia was or wasn't and imo SK have to play like town.

I have every reason to believe he did a 180.

p.edit - I agree with what hap just posted.

I also disagree with a flash wagon though, unless it's on Cheery, then I am ok with it.

derp

[NicCage]

Cheery Pie has definitely been flying under the radar for me. Cheery Dog has been a townread for me in both games I've played with him, and earlier I thought I saw that same town play, but now that I'm rereading him I'm not at all sure this is the case. He's definitely someone to look out for.

[Toomai]

I don't know about this Cheery Pie business; I currently have him as weak-town, but I don't totally recall why at the moment and no one's voted him all game.

I can't stay for the late-night party unfortunately.

[NicCage]

Well, am I still scum?

[hapahauli]

Cheery Pie has definitely been flying under the radar for me. Cheery Dog has been a townread for me in both games I've played with him, and earlier I thought I saw that same town play, but now that I'm rereading him I'm not at all sure this is the case. He's definitely someone to look out for.

Why was he more obv-town in his other games with you? How has he been playing differently this game?

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

Why, as scum, would I do this? How does scum stand to benefit from this and why is it scummy?

I will answer this question, since I didn't really see it before.

why would you as scum sheep GCBC onto zef is basically the question you are asking right?

Why Not do it as scum? Sheeping to me is null to scummy, You either A. saw something you agreed with and voted or B. you wanted to keep GCBC on your good side. Sheeping can and HAS been done by scum, I can point you to an almost exact situation if you want me to.

now this quote

For starters, I wasn't under serious suspicion at the time, so there was no reason for me to be shifting the blame. There practically was no blame to shift, and I explained my reasoning for asking that question was to find out what the difference was between Toomai and I. Jake obviously doesn't accept that reasoning, but he never says why it's wrong and has never attempted to understand my motivation from a different perspective. This is part of a pattern of behavior.

the problem with you asking "why me and not toomai" is because toomai wasn't under any suspicion either. You had 2 votes and your response makes no sense from a town perspective. The fact you chose toomai was extremely weird.

What I find funny about this post is how it points out a really good town quality without actually practicing it. He says that zef is trying to get to the bottom of something rather than just calling someone scum. But at the end that's exactly what Jake does. There really aren't any questions trying to understand my logic behind voting zef, aside from asking how wordy is a scumtell. I'm obviously just scum from my response, and no further investigation is necessary, right?

post 54, 111, 112, 192, 193

all of those posts reflect me doing things, a couple are directed at other people and a couple are directed to or about you. To say that we aren't doing something, when you aren't doing it at all is kind of comical.

If you wanted something from me you should have asked.

Why should I have to ask you to play like a townie? My scum read on you was further confirmed by your lack of action. It's not my job to ask you to convince me you are town, it's your job to convince people you are town.

I feel like Jake's protecting ac over a mostly useless PR is bad.

why do you think a doc, granted it's only 1 shot, is useless? What if he is legit and he somehow picks the right person and gives town a slight edge? would that still be useless? I don't really care what the PR claim is, I'd still do the same thing.

I think this is just more bad reasoning to get hap to back off. Maybe it's so difficult because I'm not scum. This is more for posterity than anything else.

in my experience lynches of townies don't take this much effort.

-J