NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1925 (ISO) » Mon May 20, 2013 3:31 am

Town, for once.

BeautyAndTheBeast · Post Post #1926 (ISO) » Mon May 20, 2013 3:37 am

really?

dammit

okay

Red Ryu · Post Post #1927 (ISO) » Mon May 20, 2013 4:12 am

In post 1911, Syryana wrote:Moar votes on Desp!

BabySpice, stop making poetry and vote Desp.

Bacde, stop tunneling townies and vote Desp. That goes for the rest of you peeps on the Nacho wagon too.

Cephrir... eh, you do whatever you're doing, we'll lynch you tomorrow. Though if you want to be pro-town and bus your bud, we'd be all for that.

Thor, Slandaar, Disney hydra! Stop circle jerking and vote Desp!

Elaborate on this post.

Also why you responded to these specific people?

Bacde · Post Post #1928 (ISO) » Mon May 20, 2013 4:13 am

In post 1921, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1898, Red Ryu wrote:Back from V/LA, Thor is derping hard.

We need to stop distracting from the Nacho wagon.

BB convince me Thor is scum over dumb, I still remain that he is dumb town.

I'll click my ISO button to see where I left off.

Bacde you still my Bro?
Are you still pushing me because my Oversoul push was too aggressive?

Uh, that point was actually really valid

and it wasn't too aggressive, it was as though you pushed the OS wagon so you could ignore the rest of the town

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1929 (ISO) » Mon May 20, 2013 4:14 am

Thanks for quoting what he missed, Bacde.

Red Ryu · Post Post #1930 (ISO) » Mon May 20, 2013 4:25 am

In post 1921, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1898, Red Ryu wrote:Back from V/LA, Thor is derping hard.

We need to stop distracting from the Nacho wagon.

BB convince me Thor is scum over dumb, I still remain that he is dumb town.

I'll click my ISO button to see where I left off.

Bacde you still my Bro?
Are you still pushing me because my Oversoul push was too aggressive?

Yes, still think you are scum. You tunneled him on a null tell and didn't have the mindset a townie would. I haven't read everything from where I left off but my vote and stance remains.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1931 (ISO) » Mon May 20, 2013 4:30 am

How did I know he was lying as scum?

mastin2 · Post Post #1932 (ISO) » Mon May 20, 2013 4:30 am

Votecount here as soon as possible.

<<< In addition to the obvious Bacde warning delivered, Majiffy (BeautyAndTheBeast) receives a warning for

post 1718

, which violates the spirit of the "don't talk in moderator colors" rule. >>>

Additionally, a change has been made to the opening post:

!
denotes a warning. Three is automatic replacement, as is two of the same offense.

Please note that though I am a lenient mod, this doesn't mean I'll allow you to get by with rules lawyering crap; I can deliver a more severe punishment if I deem it fitting, so don't assume you'll get a warning first and that you can get away with violating the rules--you can't.

Thirty-eighth Votecount

:

(

AKA, the "Read this post!" votecount

)

Nachomamma8 - 7 (Red Ryu, Bacde, Slandaar, Seanald, CrashTextDummie, Baby Spice, Desperado)

Desperado - 4 (Nachomamma8, Syryana, Cephrir, Om the Destroyer)

fuzzybutternut - 2 (thezmon221, Oversoul)
Oversoul - 2 (Kublai Khan, BeautyAndTheBeast)
Red Ryu - 2 (ArcAngel9, Thor665)
ArcAngel9 - 1 (DLG)
Bacde - 1 (Bulbazak)
Om the Destroyer - 1 (fuzzybutternut)
BeautyAndTheBeast - 1 (Nero Cain)

Not Voting - 3 (Hanzo_5, EddieFenix, Amethyst Kitty)

With

24

players alive, it's

13

to lynch.

Deadline is on Monday, May 27th, @ 11:30 AM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-05-27 11:31:59).

Deadline is moving forward a day because that Monday is Memorial Day. New deadline is Tuesday, May 28th, @ 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-05-28 12:31:59).

At least half of the Amethyst Kitty hydra is V/LA until Tuesday, May 21st.
Somewhere along the line, fuzzybutternut's vote on Bulbazak disappeared from the official votecount, though remained in the Ghost Votecount.
Now seeking a DLG replacement.

That's a lot of black.

Spoiler: changes from last official votecount

Spoiler: Player Vote History

Spoiler: Voting History

AngryPidgeon has a votecount on page 70. Page 72, page 73, page 74, and page 75 all contain mod-edited votecounts, because you guys changed votes a lot over the weekend while also talking a fair bit.

AP has a second votecount on page 76, originally empty but now filled by me.
There is a mod-edited votecount on page 77 as well.

All of them quoted below.

Spoiler: Post 1738

Spoiler: Post 1775

Spoiler: Post 1800

Spoiler: Post 1825

Spoiler: Post 1850

Spoiler: Post 1875

Spoiler: Post 1900

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1933 (ISO) » Mon May 20, 2013 4:31 am

Also, I want you to tell me if you think how my push on HD in this game was different from my push on Oversoul in this one.

Bacde · Post Post #1934 (ISO) » Mon May 20, 2013 4:37 am

In post 1931, Nachomamma8 wrote:How did I know he was lying as scum?

How does knowing that he was lying in any way make you town?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1935 (ISO) » Mon May 20, 2013 4:39 am

It doesn't, but the premise of the argument was that there was NO WAY I could know that Oversoul was lying, and I refused to believe that he was either telling the truth (true) or that he was lying town (false, and the reason I kept pushing him regardless was actually explained earlier in the thread).

Bacde · Post Post #1936 (ISO) » Mon May 20, 2013 4:49 am

In post 1935, Nachomamma8 wrote:It doesn't, but the premise of the argument was that there was NO WAY I could know that Oversoul was lying, and I refused to believe that he was either telling the truth (true) or that he was lying town (false, and the reason I kept pushing him regardless was actually explained earlier in the thread).

who has this premise to their argument?

You are making really solid arguments against points no one is making

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1937 (ISO) » Mon May 20, 2013 4:52 am

In post 972, Red Ryu wrote:But he tried to push OS on this as being scummy, there was no reason to consider him scummy for that action, he deliberately refused to think OS was town doing that lying or telling the truth.

Please stop interrupting.

Bacde · Post Post #1938 (ISO) » Mon May 20, 2013 4:54 am

please be lynched by tomorrow

that quote is thousands of posts old, and doesn't even postulate the premise that you say it does

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1939 (ISO) » Mon May 20, 2013 4:56 am

The quote is old because Red Ryu's been on V/LA, and I'd like to see him talk about the argument now that he's back and I have a better idea of what the scumteam should look like. What's the difference between the quote and what I said?

Bacde · Post Post #1940 (ISO) » Mon May 20, 2013 5:01 am

In post 1935, Nachomamma8 wrote:It doesn't, but the premise of the argument was that there was NO WAY I could know that Oversoul was lying, and I refused to believe that he was either telling the truth (true) or that he was lying town (false, and the reason I kept pushing him regardless was actually explained earlier in the thread).

Premise: There is NO WAY that you could have known that OS was lying

In post 1937, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 972, Red Ryu wrote:But he tried to push OS on this as being scummy, there was no reason to consider him scummy for that action, he deliberately refused to think OS was town doing that lying or telling the truth.
Please stop interrupting.

Premise: There was no reason to consider the fakeclaim as scummy

They are quite different and I'm surprised you need me to spell this out for you (actually I'm not since you are scum)

Its funny to me how you are still attempting to undermine me and my case with "please stop interrupting" as though I'm a child or something? Get lynched.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1941 (ISO) » Mon May 20, 2013 5:05 am

NO WAY I could have known that OS was lying, AND I refused to believe that he was either telling the truth or he was lying town
There was no way to consider the claim scummy (as in I didn't know he was lying), I refused to believe that he was either lying town or telling the truth

I am telling you to stop interrupting because I am trying to read Ryu, and I really would rather not deal with you when all that you've been posting for the longest time was scumscumscumscumscum. You were right that I was playing off. You were right that I was playing more passively than usual. Now I've stepped it the fuck up to a pretty dramatic point, but still with everything that I post it's scumscumscumscumscum. It shouldn't come to a surprise to you that I'm "attempting to undermine you" (actually, I'm trying the best I can to ignore you) because if you were in my position at this point you would have lost your patience a hell of a lot earlier than I have.

Desperado · Post Post #1942 (ISO) » Mon May 20, 2013 5:10 am

In post 1920, Nachomamma8 wrote:Yes, I did completely change what I said originally. What happens when I engage people is I attack them based on things that I don't like in their play, and then my read changes (either gets stronger or gets weaker) based on their responses. In this case, they got stronger. The situation of me calling you out for not scumhunting elsewhere is an observation that isn't necessarily indicative of you immediately being scum since you might just be a tunneley player, but the fact that you immediately adjusted your play after I called you out on that point told me I struck a chord.

Your ability to misread what I say is pretty amazing. When I said you "completely changed what you said" I was referring to, for example, your stance on CTD, where you first said his case on DLG had absolutely nothing to do with your townread on him, but then later you said you were townreading him because of the way he was pushing his case as opposed to me. And can you show me where you called me out for not scumhunting? I don't remember that being a part of your case at any point. Or maybe where I "immediately adjusted my play?" Because that's new too.

PEdit: This is you stepping it up? Continually misreading other people's posts and resorting to just making shit up when it suits you?

Bacde · Post Post #1943 (ISO) » Mon May 20, 2013 5:15 am

In post 1941, Nachomamma8 wrote:I am telling you to stop interrupting because I am trying to read Ryu, and I really would rather not deal with you when all that you've been posting for the longest time was scumscumscumscumscum. You were right that I was playing off. You were right that I was playing more passively than usual. Now I've stepped it the fuck up to a pretty dramatic point, but still with everything that I post it's scumscumscumscumscum. It shouldn't come to a surprise to you that I'm "attempting to undermine you" (actually, I'm trying the best I can to ignore you) because if you were in my position at this point you would have lost your patience a hell of a lot earlier than I have.

still with the jabs at me

Bacde · Post Post #1944 (ISO) » Mon May 20, 2013 5:16 am

What I want to know is, why you don't feel like the nacho I love?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1945 (ISO) » Mon May 20, 2013 5:26 am

In post 1942, Desperado wrote:Your ability to misread what I say is pretty amazing. When I said you "completely changed what you said" I was referring to, for example, your stance on CTD, where you first said his case on DLG had absolutely nothing to do with your townread on him, but then later you said you were townreading him because of the way he was pushing his case as opposed to me. And can you show me where you called me out for not scumhunting? I don't remember that being a part of your case at any point. Or maybe where I "immediately adjusted my play?" Because that's new too.

PEdit: This is you stepping it up? Continually misreading other people's posts and resorting to just making shit up when it suits you?

I never said that I was townreading him because of how he was pushing his case as opposed to you.

In post 1668, Nachomamma8 wrote:You took one of the last two sentences that are not the essence of the case at all. You also took what was a very vague statement and railroaded it into "CTD's case on DLG", which, again, was not what I said.

You're still doing this, by the way.

In post 1942, Desperado wrote:And can you show me where you called me out for not scumhunting?

That refers to you interacting almost exclusively with me.

In post 1942, Desperado wrote:Or maybe where I "immediately adjusted my play?" Because that's new too.

That refers to the AA9 vote. Could you also explain your thought process behind that a bit more because I still don't understand it.

In post 1942, Desperado wrote:PEdit: This is you stepping it up? Continually misreading other people's posts and resorting to just making shit up when it suits you?

Who else have I misrepped? Where else have a made up shit where it's suited me?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1946 (ISO) » Mon May 20, 2013 5:28 am

In post 1944, Bacde wrote:What I want to know is, why you don't feel like the nacho I love?

You've been pushing me for what, two weeks? I don't really think that you're suddenly going to have a revelation and be like "oh wait this is town nacho".

Desperado · Post Post #1947 (ISO) » Mon May 20, 2013 5:30 am

In post 1640, Nachomamma8 wrote:It wasn't his case on DLG alone. He's pushed DLG in a way that's better than the way you pushed it. Reads are much more than one case. Stop asking these questions because they are scummy as hell.

I have never been interacting exclusively with you, either before or after my vote. There was a two day period (on a weekend IIRC) where I did not pust much (the 50/50 you and Cephrir pointed out earlier). And me moving my vote is an adjustment of my play? Go into more detail on that.

You've been interpreting my posts in whatever way you please, whether what you think I said is what I actually said or not, since your big reads catchup post.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1948 (ISO) » Mon May 20, 2013 5:35 am

In post 1947, Desperado wrote:I have never been interacting exclusively with you, either before or after my vote. There was a two day period (on a weekend IIRC) where I did not pust much (the 50/50 you and Cephrir pointed out earlier).

And that's the period I was talking about because it just happened to be the time when I was initially pushing the case on you.

In post 1947, Desperado wrote:And me moving my vote is an adjustment of my play? Go into more detail on that.

You interacting with me almost exclusively, then you voting ArcAngel and pushing her.

You are right that I mentioned DLG was a part of my case. You are correct that I used the words "excusively" when that word was too strong, and that I said "nothing to do with it" when it should mean "little to do with it". But the points that I'm making, that no, CTD's case on DLG wasn't a significant part of my reads, and no, you weren't exclusively focusing on me put you sure weren't looking elsewhere in any significant way.

ISO · Post Post #1949 (ISO) » Mon May 20, 2013 5:38 am

@Desp:
With respect to 'the logic for voting AA9' I meant how you are voting her even though Nacho has more votes and was a better suspicion. That doesn't make sense. It does smack of looking for something else to go after because Nacho pointed out you were ignoring the rest of the game.

Since you seem to still be missing this point, I'll spell it out for you. 'Confirmation bias' implies that the person in question honestly believes what they are saying, and they are therefore town.

If you read my post carefully, you'll see that I wasn't criticizing the complaint about having your words twisted (though I don't feel like that is actually happening by the way), but rather the way you did it.