In post 1915, Slandaar wrote:Give me one example of something that is antitown and does NOT help scum.
Just one.
Mass name claims and Mass PR claims can both easily have this effect.
Immediately off the top of my head - lyncher who knows role name but not player name of target in a mass name claim situation.
The Mass name claim is of negligible gain to scum and town usually, but a third party is dramatically aided by it.
Lyncher targets are almost invariably town.
Therefore that would be anti-town, benefit a scum, and not benefit mafia.
I have played in a newbie game where a JKer was facing off with a single scum - he indicated who he would jail.
The scum no killed for hijinks.
The JKer forgot to send in his jail - a massively anti-town action...but in this case it helped catch the scum.
I was the scum.
I actually think he idiot savanted twice in that game, and both times it ended up helping town even though it was painfully anti-town play that he was so untrustworthy.
But this is all silly debate at this stage - I just wanted to show I could do it.
In post 1915, Slandaar wrote:I took a look and couldn't see any examples, I guess you are lying???
(lol)
That's funny, i was able to find him talking about massclaim on this and other sites.
I guess you are lying (lol).
In post 1915, Slandaar wrote:You are assuming a shift for some reason, there is no reason to do so because as you have said there is no obvious reason for such a shift.
Yeah, but you are arguing that the shift from his town play is why it's scummy - if we don't want to call it a meta shift I suppose I'm fine with that, but it's still ashift in playstyle and I'm not even sure what we're debating at this stage. My point is I don't think, as scum, you would do a dramatic shift - have you seen other players do so and caught them as scum? Dramatic. sudden, one game shifts?
I haven't.
In post 1915, Slandaar wrote:No, clearly not, this seems like a 'word twist' we are talking about benefits of massclaiming one of which is that you get a block of town to work with ie a voting block from the PR's and the obvtownreads. If he understands this on D1 of a game (which was part of his argument) where the benefits from such a thing are small then how can he think its bad on D2 where POE is much stronger with 3 dead VT?
Because he thought two killing roles would invalidate the advantage too quickly in a game with such a small player base.
He was right.
:shrug:
In post 1915, Slandaar wrote:where is the trigger that switched his mentality? where did he become enlightened?
You're asking the wrong person - I asked him, and you seemed interested in seeing an answer...but he never gave me one, i just found an answer I was content with, so I can't answer a question I needed to ask.
In post 1916, Slandaar wrote:This is him supporting a D1 massclaim; Him vehemently refusing on D2 shows he doesn't like EARLY massclaims which is the whole issue.
Yeah...but at that stage is opposing a Day 2 massclaim in a small game the same as supporting a Day 1 massclaim in a large? Aren't those different situations too? Because the core of the part of the tell I liked was the possible hypocrisy and playstyle shift, and I changed on the playstyle portion, and I'm not really seeing the hypocrisy anymore.
Yes, I have.
Syryana is town.
I skipped a lot of pages.
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