Xenoblade Mafia (Game Over)

Svenskt Stål · Post Post #50 (ISO) » Tue May 21, 2013 4:40 am

In post 37, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:
In post 31, Svenskt Stål wrote:
In post 27, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Why the actual fuck would scum NK a miller?
your logic involves scum hoping that the cop will investigate me and find guilty... which I, by claiming miller, have allready confirmed will happen.

there is 0 times out of 100 that a cop will get something else then guilty on me.

i am either scum lying, or miller telling the truth.

orc, i dont know what you mean by dealing in absolutes. i hate my role and if investigated i will die... so i thought i would insta claim

i can claim flavor too if that helps
Fuck what?

Why would millers ever be investigated after claim

true

My logic is that there is obviously a scum motivation behind a fakeclaim. And that is to ward off investigative results. Why haven't you been considering that?

because it is really short term, sooner or later i will have to explain why i am alive. i am a good scum, so there is no need for me to do this as scum in the begining

You dealt in absolutes with regards to how you think you would be perceived by town. It's retarded to assume that "oh yeah town will either think i'm town or think i'm scum. If they think i'm scum, i'm lynched. If they think i'm town, then it's suspicious when i get to endgame"

no its not. you weither buy that i am a miller, a cop cant prove it, so you cant really confirm my claim. and you are not getting what i am saying, if town , for some reason, decides to correctly clear player x, player x should be killed by scum,,, even if towns reasoning is wrong.

I mean, I don't even know where to start in explaining how that doesn't work.
In post 32, Svenskt Stål wrote:
In post 29, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:oh yeah and for post 25

My vote is now serious

I mean, I don't mind the miller claim. But I do mind the feigned innocence of "oh deary me of course scum would never fakeclaim a miller!" You know why scum would fakeclaim a miller. Your grandmother knows why scum would fakeclaim a miller. Why would you be dishonest like that?

I mean, come on. We're good players here. Don't insult our intelligence.

your intelligence is abscent and if town you are nothing but noise.

sit down and take it slowly, i dont like being pushed against a wall.
Out rolls the Svensults. Why don't you vote me?

you can have abscent intellect as town, I have seen it before.

² · Post Post #51 (ISO) » Tue May 21, 2013 4:40 am

In post 44, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:
In post 40, ² wrote:svenskt why no entrance gif?

- f
Too preoccupied with fabricating the fakeclaim.

Gut read on sven?

Pedit: Oh. >.>

Pedit: let me post

no, I'm leaning a little townish on svenskt.

- f

TiphaineDeath · Post Post #52 (ISO) » Tue May 21, 2013 4:40 am

Wait, you wanted me to read on the first day? Bah.

I think

vote Nacho

is better really.

Fakeclaiming miller is a moronic and dangerous gambit that I have never actually seen a scum use, and that's in like 20+ games.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #53 (ISO) » Tue May 21, 2013 4:41 am

In post 46, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Why is my read on Sven always not shared by people

I'm right here with you but I think it's better if we give him his space to get into some sort of groove.

Svenskt Stål · Post Post #54 (ISO) » Tue May 21, 2013 4:41 am

In post 40, ² wrote:svenskt why no entrance gif?

- f

lol fuck me. thats scummy.

i was so caught up in my insta claim.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #55 (ISO) » Tue May 21, 2013 4:42 am

In post 52, TiphaineDeath wrote:Wait, you wanted me to read on the first day? Bah.

I think
vote Nacho
is better really.

Fakeclaiming miller is a moronic and dangerous gambit that I have never actually seen a scum use, and that's in like 20+ games.

http://www.forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopi ... 53&t=13130
Hoopla, Day 1.
Enjoy the read.

Svenskt Stål · Post Post #56 (ISO) » Tue May 21, 2013 4:43 am

In post 46, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:
In post 45, GuyInFreezer wrote:I also see Sven as town at this moment.
Why is my read on Sven always not shared by people

Can you explain this

Because literally nothing he has said has been ringing town to me

why cant you learn from history... like other games we have played, and from that draw some sort of conclusion that will answer your question?

orcinus_theoriginal · Post Post #57 (ISO) » Tue May 21, 2013 4:44 am

In post 47, Nachomamma8 wrote:Sven, it surprises me that your posting is so incredibly weak because I expected you to be someone to liked aggression, meaning you could handle a bit of heat. But now I see I have to treat you like a emotionally distressed newbie...

Remind me to come back to this in like three pages.

In post 48, GuyInFreezer wrote:
In post 46, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Can you explain this
Gut.

Thanks.

² wrote:
In post 44, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:
In post 40, ² wrote:svenskt why no entrance gif?

- f
Too preoccupied with fabricating the fakeclaim.

Gut read on sven?

Pedit: Oh. >.>

Pedit: let me post
no, I'm leaning a little townish on svenskt.

- f

adhibnlkd

Okay so by the amount of crossposting Nacho and I did I'm assuming he's town.

Fery always townreads me and avoids RVS so I'm not getting anything out of her. However, if Sven ever does flip scum on a town-read from Fery, I'm looking at a lynch going that direction. I respect you too much as a town-player.

Let's talk about Metal Sonic. He hasn't replied to or even acknowledged my RVS push. Wonder why?

VOTE: Metal Sonic

Hi guys some help here

Pedit: holy shit avalanche

orcinus_theoriginal · Post Post #58 (ISO) » Tue May 21, 2013 4:45 am

In post 53, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 46, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Why is my read on Sven always not shared by people
I'm right here with you but I think it's better if we give him his space to get into some sort of groove.

In post 47, Nachomamma8 wrote:Sven, it surprises me that your posting is so incredibly weak because I expected you to be someone to liked aggression, meaning you could handle a bit of heat. But now I see I have to treat you like a emotionally distressed newbie...

Actually I was going to bring this up later but now seems like an apt time. If you wanted to give Sven space to get into his groove, why does it seem like you were trying to provoke him in 47?

Svenskt Stål · Post Post #59 (ISO) » Tue May 21, 2013 4:45 am

In post 47, Nachomamma8 wrote:Sven, it surprises me that your posting is so incredibly weak because I expected you to be someone to liked aggression, meaning you could handle a bit of heat. But now I see I have to treat you like a emotionally distressed newbie...

okay.

what in my posting is "weak" and why do you care if it is? agression comes when i find something worthy to persue,,, right now all my focus is in defence mode.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #60 (ISO) » Tue May 21, 2013 4:47 am

In post 58, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Actually I was going to bring this up later but now seems like an apt time. If you wanted to give Sven space to get into his groove, why does it seem like you were trying to provoke him in 47?

I completely wanted to provoke him. Then he gave me a response that was far more meek than I was expecting regardless of alignment, so I backed the fuck off.

Svenskt Stål · Post Post #61 (ISO) » Tue May 21, 2013 4:48 am

yeah feeling good about orc, want to feel good about nacho aswell.

Svenskt Stål · Post Post #62 (ISO) » Tue May 21, 2013 4:48 am

In post 60, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 58, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Actually I was going to bring this up later but now seems like an apt time. If you wanted to give Sven space to get into his groove, why does it seem like you were trying to provoke him in 47?
I completely wanted to provoke him. Then he gave me a response that was far more meek than I was expecting regardless of alignment, so I backed the fuck off.

shouldnt meek equal scummy here?

and dont call me meek again.

² · Post Post #63 (ISO) » Tue May 21, 2013 4:49 am

In post 57, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Fery always townreads me and avoids RVS so I'm not getting anything out of her. However, if Sven ever does flip scum on a town-read from Fery, I'm looking at a lynch going that direction. I respect you too much as a town-player.

If he's scum, I doubt my town read will last. If he's town it may not last. I helped get him lynched in a recent game after townreading him earlier. worst town game I've played in a long time.

- f

orcinus_theoriginal · Post Post #64 (ISO) » Tue May 21, 2013 4:49 am

In post 50, Svenskt Stål wrote:no its not. you weither buy that i am a miller, a cop cant prove it, so you cant really confirm my claim. and you are not getting what i am saying, if town , for some reason, decides to correctly clear player x, player x should be killed by scum,,, even if towns reasoning is wrong.

Nothing else really worth replying to in your post.

There's the absolute that you're forcing us into. You're making this a dichotomy in

A). All of town reads Sven scum. Sven lynched.
B). All of town reads Sven town. Sven making it to endgame is scummy.

Why are you not considering maybe

C). Town have differing reads on Sven. Sven is not lynched nor is investigated at night.
^^^HELLO SCUM SUCCESS^^^

Also I find using meta to justify the likelihood of a miller fakeclaim frankly stupid.

Svenskt Stål · Post Post #65 (ISO) » Tue May 21, 2013 4:50 am

In post 49, ² wrote:
In post 44, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:
In post 40, ² wrote:svenskt why no entrance gif?

- f
Too preoccupied with fabricating the fakeclaim.

Gut read on sven?

Pedit: Oh. >.>

Pedit: let me post
no, I'm leaning a little townish on svenskt.

- f

is this scum buddying up to the great svenskt?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #66 (ISO) » Tue May 21, 2013 4:50 am

In post 62, Svenskt Stål wrote:
In post 60, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 58, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Actually I was going to bring this up later but now seems like an apt time. If you wanted to give Sven space to get into his groove, why does it seem like you were trying to provoke him in 47?
I completely wanted to provoke him. Then he gave me a response that was far more meek than I was expecting regardless of alignment, so I backed the fuck off.
shouldnt meek equal scummy here?

and dont call me meek again.

Meek doesn't always equal scummy, sometimes it just equals meek.
And I call it how I see it. If you don't want to be interpreted as meek, don't be meek. Attack something. Defend yourself with more authority. If you're backed against the wall, start cackling like a mental patient.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #67 (ISO) » Tue May 21, 2013 4:52 am

In post 64, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Also I find using meta to justify the likelihood of a miller fakeclaim frankly stupid.

It's stupid, but it's not an uncommon defense for town.

orcinus_theoriginal · Post Post #68 (ISO) » Tue May 21, 2013 4:52 am

In post 60, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 58, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Actually I was going to bring this up later but now seems like an apt time. If you wanted to give Sven space to get into his groove, why does it seem like you were trying to provoke him in 47?
I completely wanted to provoke him. Then he gave me a response that was far more meek than I was expecting regardless of alignment, so I backed the fuck off.

I like you.

In post 63, ² wrote:
In post 57, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Fery always townreads me and avoids RVS so I'm not getting anything out of her. However, if Sven ever does flip scum on a town-read from Fery, I'm looking at a lynch going that direction. I respect you too much as a town-player.
If he's scum, I doubt my town read will last. If he's town it may not last. I helped get him lynched in a recent game after townreading him earlier. worst town game I've played in a long time.

- f

I'm fine with lynching Sven sometime soon. jsyk.

But I understand. It's the same reason I pushed for a mislynch on marangal in Poetic. I'm only going to throw suspicion at you if Sven flips scum while you're townreading him.

Please don't let that influence your read.

Cabd · Post Post #69 (ISO) » Tue May 21, 2013 4:53 am

In post 64, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:
In post 50, Svenskt Stål wrote:no its not. you weither buy that i am a miller, a cop cant prove it, so you cant really confirm my claim. and you are not getting what i am saying, if town , for some reason, decides to correctly clear player x, player x should be killed by scum,,, even if towns reasoning is wrong.
Nothing else really worth replying to in your post.

There's the absolute that you're forcing us into. You're making this a dichotomy in

A). All of town reads Sven scum. Sven lynched.
B). All of town reads Sven town. Sven making it to endgame is scummy.

Why are you not considering maybe

C). Town have differing reads on Sven. Sven is not lynched nor is investigated at night.
^^^HELLO SCUM SUCCESS^^^

Also I find using meta to justify the likelihood of a miller fakeclaim frankly stupid.

Pretty much my thoughts as well. Forcing it into Black or White is really bad when Gray exists. I've also seen plenty of wolves claim miller and make it to a win in endgame, sooo...

VOTE: sven

orcinus_theoriginal · Post Post #70 (ISO) » Tue May 21, 2013 4:54 am

In post 67, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 64, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Also I find using meta to justify the likelihood of a miller fakeclaim frankly stupid.
It's stupid, but it's not an uncommon defense for town.

I was referring to below post mostly.

In post 52, TiphaineDeath wrote:Wait, you wanted me to read on the first day? Bah.

I think
vote Nacho
is better really.

Fakeclaiming miller is a moronic and dangerous gambit that I have never actually seen a scum use, and that's in like 20+ games.

And since I'm assuming you're saying it's not a uncommon

self

-defense for millers...

Svenskt Stål · Post Post #71 (ISO) » Tue May 21, 2013 4:55 am

In post 64, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:
In post 50, Svenskt Stål wrote:no its not. you weither buy that i am a miller, a cop cant prove it, so you cant really confirm my claim. and you are not getting what i am saying, if town , for some reason, decides to correctly clear player x, player x should be killed by scum,,, even if towns reasoning is wrong.
Nothing else really worth replying to in your post.

There's the absolute that you're forcing us into. You're making this a dichotomy in

A). All of town reads Sven scum. Sven lynched.
B). All of town reads Sven town. Sven making it to endgame is scummy.

Why are you not considering maybe

C). Town have differing reads on Sven. Sven is not lynched nor is investigated at night.
^^^HELLO SCUM SUCCESS^^^

Also I find using meta to justify the likelihood of a miller fakeclaim frankly stupid.

okay true.

But regarding outcome C, you will have to ask yourself "why?"

Right? I think I am a very capable scum player so why create all this noise arround me?

true this could be use from a scum point of view aswell...

orcinus_theoriginal · Post Post #72 (ISO) » Tue May 21, 2013 4:56 am

In post 69, Cabd wrote:
In post 64, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:
In post 50, Svenskt Stål wrote:no its not. you weither buy that i am a miller, a cop cant prove it, so you cant really confirm my claim. and you are not getting what i am saying, if town , for some reason, decides to correctly clear player x, player x should be killed by scum,,, even if towns reasoning is wrong.
Nothing else really worth replying to in your post.

There's the absolute that you're forcing us into. You're making this a dichotomy in

A). All of town reads Sven scum. Sven lynched.
B). All of town reads Sven town. Sven making it to endgame is scummy.

Why are you not considering maybe

C). Town have differing reads on Sven. Sven is not lynched nor is investigated at night.
^^^HELLO SCUM SUCCESS^^^

Also I find using meta to justify the likelihood of a miller fakeclaim frankly stupid.
Pretty much my thoughts as well. Forcing it into Black or White is really bad when Gray exists. I've also seen plenty of wolves claim miller and make it to a win in endgame, sooo...

VOTE: sven

Hm.

This makes me think of AP's setup in BSG a bit, having a town rolecop in the game to validate the miller...

Cabd let's assume Sven town. Who's scum, most likely?

Pedit: When you make a post that isn't answered by yourself, tell me and I'll happily reply.

orcinus_theoriginal · Post Post #73 (ISO) » Tue May 21, 2013 4:57 am

Although I have to admit, if Sven is scum he's playing this beautifully with the thought narration and inner monologue and stuff.

Svenskt Stål · Post Post #74 (ISO) » Tue May 21, 2013 4:57 am

In post 66, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 62, Svenskt Stål wrote:
In post 60, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 58, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Actually I was going to bring this up later but now seems like an apt time. If you wanted to give Sven space to get into his groove, why does it seem like you were trying to provoke him in 47?
I completely wanted to provoke him. Then he gave me a response that was far more meek than I was expecting regardless of alignment, so I backed the fuck off.
shouldnt meek equal scummy here?

and dont call me meek again.
Meek doesn't always equal scummy, sometimes it just equals meek.
And I call it how I see it. If you don't want to be interpreted as meek, don't be meek. Attack something. Defend yourself with more authority. If you're backed against the wall, start cackling like a mental patient.

no thank you. iu ahve been up against orc before, he brings out the worst in me and i will do everything to remain calm.

also people dont listen to me when i am in my dean winchester, king of the world mode.