Xenoblade Mafia (Game Over)

[Nachomamma8]

You see obvtown on him?

(Just in case it wasn't clear I sort of want you to explain this)

Hell yeah. He just came off a game where I was his IC and we cleaned house pretty harshly, and his first instinct was to latch onto me a bit, figure out why I'm thinking what I'm thinking. I'd guess that he would be far more afraid of me as scum, maybe try to avoid me a bit; the way that he called us both town was also pretty genuine, with the "the aggression doesn't make them town but I think that the way things went down was pretty town" and all. He also has three townreads, which is more of a stance than most.

this was the BROchat post i wanted you to look at

[Aj The Epic]

1+1=sven

This is my kind of math.

Miller-tracker in non-bastard game? Eh... I really don't like it at all. One part is always mafia (red investigation) and the other is mafia-capable (tracker). But, at the same time, I really think this is the better vote.


VOTE: TiphaineDeath

Too many bad posts. Voting Nacho immediately because no scum would ever miller claim? Bad. If you don't think scum would do it, they'll try it. Unvoting with "Huh, interesting". Also bad. Bad scum must die, and I wish I could do math with that name but I can't.

I can hardly do math anyways.

[Sajin]

@Svenskt: What is your role name? Miller?

Miller Tracker, apparently. Would you like to take a position on that?

I will wait to hear it from him. Don't be answering questions directed at other people please.

colonist aligned miller tracker

Setup

This setup is based upon the game Xenoblade Chronicles. This link may be useful to you to determine context throughout the game.

[*]Flips will will be of the form [Character, Alignment, Role name]. This will be all you're given in the way of relevant information.

@Sven- So when you die, in your estimation, what will your death flip be exactly? You can leave character as [character] when you reply to this.

[GuyInFreezer]

@Nacho: earlier you said you had townread on TP. Is there a specific reason or is it just a gutread?

P-Edit: wallz!

[Nachomamma8]

I agree with Nacho- I expected a bit more out of Sven than "hi I have three votes and am now claiming more of my role while it is both unnecessary and uncalled for". As scum there is no motivation to do this.
As scum the only reason for doing this is to claim to stay alive but there REALLY isn't this much pressure on his this early.

...
Not sure what I feel about this.

I see an appeal to emotion more likely than not; the fact he was going "ffery is buddying up to the Great Svenskt" and shit like that earlier and the fact that he doesn't bite back read pretty badly to me. Then there's the constant discrediting of me being bad for having one incorrect scumread and the fact that he crumbled completely and pulled the "i'm lurking this game out. oh and i'm a tracker too" heavily influences me towards calling him scum. But he has cracked regardless of alignment, so I'll leave a few others to sort out that scumread and make sure I'm not going CRAZY DEATHTUNNEL NACHO mode (remember that Calcifer game where we lynched a mason? like that), but I feel good about him so I'm just going to sort other reads out for now.

[Svenskt Stål]

@Svenskt: What is your role name? Miller?

Miller Tracker, apparently. Would you like to take a position on that?

I will wait to hear it from him. Don't be answering questions directed at other people please.

colonist aligned miller tracker

Setup

This setup is based upon the game Xenoblade Chronicles. This link may be useful to you to determine context throughout the game.

[*]Flips will will be of the form [Character, Alignment, Role name]. This will be all you're given in the way of relevant information.

@Sven- So when you die, in your estimation, what will your death flip be exactly? You can leave character as [character] when you reply to this.

pretty sure i have nothing but the character name to give.

i told you my role as it is stated to me. minus the character name that preceeds it.

[Andrius]

@Sven- So when you die, in your estimation, what will your death flip be exactly? You can leave character as [character] when you reply to this.

[Nachomamma8]

@Nacho: earlier you said you had townread on TP. Is there a specific reason or is it just a gutread?

P-Edit: wallz!

His "no scum would ever do that!" followed by me linking to that game and him backing down with an "oh." seemed extremely genuine to me. Usually when scum are looking for things to attack, they don't like to be left with egg on their face but that backdown told me that he doesn't really give a shit if he looks bad while backing down. His response to orc telling him to vote was also pretty genuine; he just tried to vote and was debunked, meaning he doesn't really see anything in thread and that's perfectly fine.

[Svenskt Stål]

i just cant stand how bad you are.

Because of one bad read on you?

how do you know its bad? pretty sure i could still be lying.

but yeah. i hate it when people point and say scum. i cant handle it. much better this way, i can go about my work.

[Sajin]

@Sven- Please try and format it for me. I quoted you the relevant part from the rules section.

@Guy in freezer- You have not seen my posts yet if you think that was a wall. Just wait for it.

[Varsoon]

I'll claim town,
hey guys.

We're on a hair trigger right now and will lynch the fuck out of anyone who gives us a slight scum read.
Give us more.

Oh, I'm just town. I'm not gonna claim any more than that, because then I'm doing scum's work for them.

I'll claim town,
hey guys.

but are you?

thoughts on my miller claim?

Yeah, I am. It'll be evident eventually, I'm sure. Just wanted to let everyone know before they start cutting at my throat.
I think PRs generally shouldn't claim. I don't know what the miller/miller tracker does, so, please refresh me on that.
I'm not really convinced you're scum or town right now, Sven. Leaning more town than scum, but who knows?

I'll claim town,
hey guys.

If you pull a dozen half assed 'reaction tests' again

I will make sure you are today's lynch

I do not give a shit about meta

I am not kidding

Oh, that's what I did in a different game. Don't worry so much about that, Orcinus. I'll be playing pretty regular town today with a bit of sleuthing if I find time for it.

not liking how Varsoon swooned in too tell us he was town and then ran away.

VOTE: varsoon

I don't like that you'd put a vote on a guy based off of one little post.
Clearly, everyone who claims town is a liar and scum, amirite?


Anyway, not so sure about anyone's alignment. Sven, as usual, arouses my suspicion.

What's a miller-tracker?

We've got 20 people here. By Bionis, we'll have a damn hard time finding the scum.
I support flipping based on information.
So, currently, the best flips in my mind are ones of incredibly active players/claimed roles.

Not putting a vote anywhere since I don't feel strongly enough to do so.
Gonna comb the thread for some scumslips or something.


P-EDIT:
This game is moving a mile-a-minute, so it may be hard for me to keep up. I've got some afternoony plans, so I won't be here during that.

VOTE: TiphaineDeath

Gonna sheep AJ here. I find scum tends to say things like "No town would X" and base their votes on that.
I'm seeing Nacho's defense of him and I agree that it's somewhat genuine, but there could always be some bussing happening. /shrug.
I'd like to see what TD has to say.

[Svenskt Stål]

@Sven- Please try and format it for me. I quoted you the relevant part from the rules section.

@Guy in freezer- You have not seen my posts yet if you think that was a wall. Just wait for it.

you quoted the post that answers your question, or i need more information on what the fuck you want from me

[Nachomamma8]

how do you know its bad? pretty sure i could still be lying.

I'm positive you're still lying, but I'm working from your perspective, where I have one "bad" read and a bunch of town reads that you mostly share.

[Nachomamma8]

Varsoon, what did you think of Sven's claim?

[²]

orcinus, re svenskt I'm reminded of borkgame day 2 pretty forcefully. your thoughts?

- f

[Svenskt Stål]

varsson, i am, if investigated, found guilty,

i can also track people.

[Svenskt Stål]

orcinus, re svenskt I'm reminded of borkgame day 2 pretty forcefully. your thoughts?

- f

you went back on me before that, why was that?

you are scummy.

[Nachomamma8]

orcinus, re svenskt I'm reminded of borkgame day 2 pretty forcefully. your thoughts?

- f

Can you link me to borkgame, please?

[Nachomamma8]

orcinus, re svenskt I'm reminded of borkgame day 2 pretty forcefully. your thoughts?

- f

you went back on me before that, why was that?

you are scummy.

This was the first post in this thread I didn't hate.

[Svenskt Stål]

how do you know its bad? pretty sure i could still be lying.

I'm positive you're still lying, but I'm working from your perspective, where I have one "bad" read and a bunch of town reads that you mostly share.

oh in that case.

well it carries more weight with me since you are voting me.

[Svenskt Stål]

orcinus, re svenskt I'm reminded of borkgame day 2 pretty forcefully. your thoughts?

- f

you went back on me before that, why was that?

you are scummy.

This was the first post in this thread I didn't hate.

thats kinda objectively bad on your part... alomst all of the shit i have posted is kind of towny for me.

[Varsoon]

Varsoon, what did you think of Sven's claim?

Honestly, I'll probably ignore the PR claim altogether when considering whether or not Sven is scum.
To me, claiming a town PR is the same as someone just saying "Hey, I am town," if a bit more lame since it hinges on some sort of town sympathy for PRs or something.
Generally, revealing PRs to the scum isn't a cool idea.
I don't know what the miller-tracker does. Please tell me.

P-EDIT:

Thanks, Sven.


That's a pretty damn convenient role to have if you're scum, and a shite one if you're town.
Regardless, I'm not going to think of you as miller-tracker, but as Sven, the maybe-town-guy.

[²]

orcinus, re svenskt I'm reminded of borkgame day 2 pretty forcefully. your thoughts?

- f

Can you link me to borkgame, please?

Link to the start of day 2 http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p4872611

Selkies = orcinus + fferyllt

do you want cliff notes?

- f

[Varsoon]

Hey, 2, let's leave other games out of this.

[Andrius]

Hell yeah. He just came off a game where I was his IC and we cleaned house pretty harshly, and his first instinct was to latch onto me a bit, figure out why I'm thinking what I'm thinking. I'd guess that he would be far more afraid of me as scum, maybe try to avoid me a bit; the way that he called us both town was also pretty genuine, with the "the aggression doesn't make them town but I think that the way things went down was pretty town" and all. He also has three townreads, which is more of a stance than most.

Yeah, it makes sense.
:/
:\

(remember that Calcifer game where we lynched a mason? like that),

How could I forget? xD
Again, you're making perfect sense.
I'll be back in a bit and relook at people.