Open 493 - Jungle Republic. (Game Over - Werewolf Victory)

[goodmorning]

There were no votes on the slot so it's not like there was any pressure there.

I giggled at this. A lot.

@Princess Proton: I asked you this:

See response to Bulb above. Did not read.

How were you aware of the setup?

Now where did you come up with the even/odd night thing? It looks so specific it could be fake.

That's what I was asking. Her answer, and I quote "I didn't read." Yet she knew the setup.

And nothing else happened while I was gone.

[Princess Proton]

Princess what I got out of that post is that you are willing to look for evidence to fit a case, rather than the other way around

Right. That's what I'm saying about you. Holding up a mirror, so to speak.

Why did you OMGUS vote me after I unvoted you?

Unvoting someone at L-1 doesn't make them Town. You can push for a lynch on a Townie without actually being on their wagon. This isn't news to either of us.

This is only my 2nd game on this site and I replaced in to both of them. I suspect we will be in games together in the future. While I don't care about this game so much as a replacement, I'm trying to establish a strong meta understanding of you for future games where it may be more important to me. I feel as though my "evidence to fit the case" exercise has been informative. You know what you are doing and I know you know that I know now. Your alignment at the end of the game will tell me how to read you in the future.

[Princess Proton]

The first thing she does when she replaces in is say that she is town. This seems forced and overdone, as the first thing town would say would not be "I'm town."

How can you possibly believe this when you just quoted why I would be motivated to replace in and say that I'm Town?

Spoiler:

you should probably start contributing because the way things look everyone is going to keep disagreeing about our top scumreads and then you will be the compromise lynch of the day at this rate

o7

I'm Town. Just found the thread. Reading now.

This sounds like a rubbish argument.

Translation: "Thanks partner for helping me with the towncred!"

Which is exactly why your wifom argument is rubbish. Klick didn't even have a chance to distance from me, which is what I would ideally want as a Klick partner. This doesn't help with my "Princess isn't wolf argument" but at least should indicate I'm not mafia.

I was actually going to say your princess-mafia case is pretty good

No. No it really isn't. If anything, it illustrates why I wouldn't be mafia.

If Princess flips mafia, Egg is wolf. If Princess flips wolf, Egg is town and Thene is mafia.

And when

Princess flips VT

?

well she made the stupid bet and then admitted it was rhetorical and never going to happen.

Actually, I said I was never going to have to pay and was going to forgive the debt for everyone that owed me. But that's a hilarious misrepresentation of what I said.

[Syryana]

Bacde, Bulb, ya'll need to git yer asses on this wagon

Egg too if he's recovered from his fit of "wait she might be scummy town"

I am a firm believer in wagon overkill

And where the fuck is TNE

My posting is eerily similar to Bacde's right now

I need sleep

[goodmorning]

Just looked up Klick's ISO.

Princess Proton claims to have only read Klick's ISO prior to the end of D2. Note the following from said ISO:

Setup stuff - It's 7 Town (1 Seer), 3 Mafia (No kill), and 2 Werewolves (Kill).

Yet Princess Proton claimed not to know that only the wolf faction gets a kill.

Conclusion: Princess Proton is Scum and was faking in hopes of Towncred.

[Princess Proton]

Bacde, Bulb, ya'll need to git yer asses on this wagon

I'd really like an answer to this first.

And when Princess flips VT?

[Egg]

*sigh*

Princess just admitted in her post directed at bacde that she isn't playing to win. All she wants is meta info for future games.

I haven't fully read everything since my last post but I feel like she's ruined the integrity of that playerslot with that and the whole bet thing... this is frustrating.

[Bulbazak]

The first thing she does when she replaces in is say that she is town. This seems forced and overdone, as the first thing town would say would not be "I'm town."

How can you possibly believe this when you just quoted why I would be motivated to replace in and say that I'm Town?

you should probably start contributing because the way things look everyone is going to keep disagreeing about our top scumreads and then you will be the compromise lynch of the day at this rate

o7

I'm Town. Just found the thread. Reading now.

You could have easily left the "I'm Town" part out, yet you made sure you included it. As I said, it seems forced and overdone.

If Princess flips mafia, Egg is wolf. If Princess flips wolf, Egg is town and Thene is mafia.

And when

Princess flips VT

?

The seas will turn to blood. Cthulu will rise from the deep. Cats and dogs will live together. You know, all the worse parts of the Bible.

But seriously, if you do happen to flip town, Egg is wolf and Thene is mafia, all due to PoE.

Vote Princess Proton

[Princess Proton]

Why would I leave the "I am Town" part out? Are you saying you have never seen a Town person replace into a slot and say that they were Town? You are being silly.

You didn't even quote Ghostbusters right. I am disappointed. Did it ever occur to you that you should actually lynch from the Egg/Thene pool instead since your case on me is nonsense and wifom?

And Egg, I didn't say I'm not playing to win I simply stated why I'm not fighting this mislynch harder than I am. I think the information from my wagon, how it was formed, and who pushed it could actually help. It's not like I came in here and threw my hands up in the air saying, "well even though I'm Town I think you should just lynch my slot." That's a very weak push. Everything you guys are throwing at this wagon is laughably weak. And it will be exposed in due course.

[Egg]

Actually, so many people are so convinced that you are scum that there is almost no useful analysis to take from your wagon. I say that as someone who uses VCA TM pretty regularly.

[Bulbazak]

Why would I leave the "I am Town" part out? Are you saying you have never seen a Town person replace into a slot and say that they were Town?

The first thing most town players do when they replace in is to catch up on the game and make a reads post of some kind. You replaced in and within 17 minutes voted the most popular wagon for undisclosed reasons. Just because you continuously shout "I'm town" does not mean that we should believe you, especially when your actions say otherwise.

You didn't even quote Ghostbusters right.

I never intended to.

Did it ever occur to you that you should actually lynch from the Egg/Thene pool instead since your case on me is nonsense and wifom?

Translation: "Lynch those guys! They're way scummier than I am!"

Everything you guys are throwing at this wagon is laughably weak. And it will be exposed in due course.

Actually the case against your slot is pretty sound and has been around since middle to end of d1. Nice attempt to discredit it, though.

[goodmorning]

WHY DOES SHE NEVER RESPOND TO ME

[Bulbazak]

WHY DOES SHE NEVER RESPOND TO ME

Because she's scum. Thoughts on who the other one is?

[Bacde]

This is only my 2nd game on this site and I replaced in to both of them. I suspect we will be in games together in the future. While I don't care about this game so much as a replacement, I'm trying to establish a strong meta understanding of you for future games where it may be more important to me. I feel as though my "evidence to fit the case" exercise has been informative. You know what you are doing and I know you know that I know now. Your alignment at the end of the game will tell me how to read you in the future.

yes I do know what I'm doing

I'm looking for scum

I'd say the evidence I've been using this game has been pretty good

[Princess Proton]

Translation: "Lynch those guys! They're way scummier than I am!"

You had to parse that through a translator? I was fairly sure that statement was clear.

[Princess Proton]

WHY DOES SHE NEVER RESPOND TO ME

Because I don't like you.

Actually because I didn't see a real question that wasn't masquerading as an accusation. If you have a real question or require clarification I'd be happy to help.

[Princess Proton]

yes I do know what I'm doing

"evidence to fit the case"

And that makes me sad.

[goodmorning]

So you don't have any refutation then. Good to know.

[zabriel]

Vote Count 3.4

Bulba (Egg) - L-4

Princess Proton (Goodmorning, Syryana, Mac, Bulba) - L-1

Day 3 will end in (expired on 2013-05-30 23:00:00). With 8 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.

[Bacde]

yes I do know what I'm doing

"evidence to fit the case"

And that makes me sad.

I'm not "evidencing to fit the case"

the way I see it, the evidence points to you

you are in the best position to find the real scum if you are actually town, since you aren't going to be suspicious of yourself the way I am

yet you are wasting your precious words to instead "stick it to me" by making a terrible case on me and attempt to prove something to me that I'm not even really sure what the purpose of is

why am I supposed to think you are town again?

[Princess Proton]

why am I supposed to think you are town again?

Pshh. You guys never gave me a chance to BE Town. I'm introduced to the game and you immediately swoop in and tell me I'm going to be lynched before I've even had a chance to log in. And it has been an avalanche of attacks from BEFORE my first post. This is something you'll need to remember in future games if you actually intend to read a replacement slot rather than pushing through a nonsensical mislynch based on nothing but wifom and gut.

[Egg]

Syryana, the main reason I'm not doubting myself or looking into things or anything as far as my thene read is that I've put him on the backburner for today. I'm not too worried about it because I think he's mafia. As I said already, today is a wolf hunting day.

Bulb, are you saying mafia with no NK and 1 member is a bigger threat than wolf with a NK? Why would I NOT focus on wolf today? It doesn't make sense.

By "bad play", I mean princess.

[goodmorning]

@Princess: When you replace into a slot that is a universal scumread, don't expect people to change their opinions just because the player is new. The slot is the same, and your slot, even without your less-than-townish contributions, is scummy as the Everglades in July.

When you replace into a suspicious slot, you fight, provide reads, try very hard to be useful and pro-Town. You strive for optimal play. You make good arguments and you rebut everything you can. You don't just give up and say "you guys are being ridiculous."

In conclusion: Replacing into a suspicious slot means you don't get given the opportunity to be considered Town, you have to fight for it.
[/bee in my bonnet]

[Princess Proton]

If this is the case, how do you defend against people saying "you're not Town because you claimed to be Town when you replaced into a scummy slot?" That's the big argument against my slot currently. Oh, that and because I had the audacity to come in and vote for scum in 17 minutes [or whatever the timing was].

Is there an actual case on this slot outside of this nonsense?

[goodmorning]

If this is the case, how do you defend against people saying "you're not Town because you claimed to be Town when you replaced into a scummy slot?"¹ That's the big argument against my slot currently.² Oh, that and because I had the audacity to come in and vote for scum in 17 minutes [or whatever the timing was]³.

Is there an actual case on this slot outside of this nonsense?⁴

1. Who said that and where? I don't see it.
2. Not the "you got caught trying to fake towncred" argument?
3. There are two ways of looking at this, both of which imply scumminess:
A. You came in and voted for the top wagon. This is a fairly common move for Scum because it can be well justified. Deadline was not

that soon

, and if you were Town I would have expected you to try to make the most informed decision possible, questioning and reading as much as you were able before voting.
B. You came in and voted for your partner. (This way assumes that you are Mafia which I personally would disagree with.) (It has been argued half to death by Bacde and I think Egg, so I'll leave it at that for now.)
4. Yes, there was quite a bit of stuff on Autti IIRC and there are several things on you that you have ignored/misrepped/misinterpreted. I may do a bit of a search and find mission on it this evening but on the offchance you are Town you may want to look into the matter yourself.