Xenoblade Mafia (Game Over)

[Cabd]

@N: I don't like them either but considering the situation he is in and how he breaks easily the possibility of scum-sven slipping is pretty high.

P-edit: let me post

I don't like the way he phrased it either. Hence why my vote is still there.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

no its not. you weither buy that i am a miller, a cop cant prove it, so you cant really confirm my claim. and you are not getting what i am saying, if town , for some reason, decides to correctly clear player x, player x should be killed by scum,,, even if towns reasoning is wrong.

Nothing else really worth replying to in your post.

There's the absolute that you're forcing us into. You're making this a dichotomy in

A). All of town reads Sven scum. Sven lynched.
B). All of town reads Sven town. Sven making it to endgame is scummy.

Why are you not considering maybe

C). Town have differing reads on Sven. Sven is not lynched nor is investigated at night.
^^^HELLO SCUM SUCCESS^^^


Also I find using meta to justify the likelihood of a miller fakeclaim frankly stupid.

Pretty much my thoughts as well. Forcing it into Black or White is really bad when Gray exists.

I've also seen plenty of wolves claim miller and make it to a win in endgame, sooo...

VOTE: sven

cite plz. cos I haven't.

fery can you?

I don't know what to make of sven he seems kind of crazy. scum nking a miller doesn't make sense unless the miller isn't a really good job at pushing scum.

[Cabd]

no its not. you weither buy that i am a miller, a cop cant prove it, so you cant really confirm my claim. and you are not getting what i am saying, if town , for some reason, decides to correctly clear player x, player x should be killed by scum,,, even if towns reasoning is wrong.

Nothing else really worth replying to in your post.

There's the absolute that you're forcing us into. You're making this a dichotomy in

A). All of town reads Sven scum. Sven lynched.
B). All of town reads Sven town. Sven making it to endgame is scummy.

Why are you not considering maybe

C). Town have differing reads on Sven. Sven is not lynched nor is investigated at night.
^^^HELLO SCUM SUCCESS^^^


Also I find using meta to justify the likelihood of a miller fakeclaim frankly stupid.

Pretty much my thoughts as well. Forcing it into Black or White is really bad when Gray exists.

I've also seen plenty of wolves claim miller and make it to a win in endgame, sooo...

VOTE: sven

cite plz. cos I haven't.

fery can you?

I don't know what to make of sven he seems kind of crazy. scum nking a miller doesn't make sense unless the miller isn't a really good job at pushing scum.

It's offsite. That's still allowed to link to right?

[TiphaineDeath]

My thought process here is pretty simple guys, I voted nacho because he felt opportunistic springing on something I'd never seen happen before, but have seen scum try to get a lynch out of. He proved me wrong, so I unvoted. Now I am going to revote because of the wifom shitstorm that sven has created.

vote sven

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Did you read my commentary on the bork game?

I did. I'm still thinking about it. I can see your points, but the experiental meta - living that game in real time - left some strong impressions. orcinus and I spent the entire game up until svenskt's replace-out with an extremely conflicted, impossible to reconcile read on him.

I was right. <insert smug smilie here>

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

If sven is town, mafia would be staying far away from this entire thing, IMO. Let us whip ourselves into a frenzy while they sit back and pop popcorn.

Just throw a name out there. Tentatively, we know we only have 4 pages and only one major event, it's okay. Give me a name of one possible scum if Sven is town.

is this scum buddying up to the great svenskt?

calibration.

- f

It's really weird but based on our hydra interaction I feel like this post makes me want to town read you.

I think she is town

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fery can you?

I've never seen scum get to endgame with a miller fake claim. there's a Romanian bicyclist we both know who I've seen gambit with a miller claim as scum. But we were so onto his gambiting that any non-pressured day 1 claim led to summary lynches back then.

- f

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

If sven is town, mafia would be staying far away from this entire thing, IMO. Let us whip ourselves into a frenzy while they sit back and pop popcorn.

and the reason for that would be?

couse it sounds like "if town does A, scum should do B"... which in turn sounds bad, since scum should try to duplicate town

Yes, because there's only one scum strategy that ever works, and playing entirely contrary to that one way has NEVER won scum games.

I think I'm gonna need to start making the sarcasm tags visible again.


@orc, one of the people who have posted already but then not weighed in. Metalsonic also seemed to deflect any RVS pressure, so I'd peg him as scum if sven was town.

wat

that doesn't even make sense

[Cabd]

It's offsite. That's still allowed to link to right?

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It's offsite. That's still allowed to link to right?

yes

- f

[borkjerfkin]

I don't have an issue with linking to a

completed

off-site game.

[Nachomamma8]

You can link offsite as long as you aren't breaking any rules there while doing so.

[Cabd]

http://www.sixprizes.com/forums/threads ... -win.9239/
Fair warning, my play was shitty here.

DaGlaceon claims miller super early, lives to lyo, quick hammers for scum win. Same game size (20p)


(I'm the head moderator there so I guess I can give myself permission if I have to)

[Mac]

no its not. you weither buy that i am a miller, a cop cant prove it, so you cant really confirm my claim. and you are not getting what i am saying, if town , for some reason, decides to correctly clear player x, player x should be killed by scum,,, even if towns reasoning is wrong.

Nothing else really worth replying to in your post.

There's the absolute that you're forcing us into. You're making this a dichotomy in

A). All of town reads Sven scum. Sven lynched.
B). All of town reads Sven town. Sven making it to endgame is scummy.

Why are you not considering maybe

C). Town have differing reads on Sven. Sven is not lynched nor is investigated at night.
^^^HELLO SCUM SUCCESS^^^


Also I find using meta to justify the likelihood of a miller fakeclaim frankly stupid.

Pretty much my thoughts as well. Forcing it into Black or White is really bad when Gray exists.

I've also seen plenty of wolves claim miller and make it to a win in endgame, sooo...

VOTE: sven

cite plz. cos I haven't.

fery can you?

I don't know what to make of sven he seems kind of crazy. scum nking a miller doesn't make sense unless the miller isn't a really good job at pushing scum.

or universally town read?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

no its not. you weither buy that i am a miller, a cop cant prove it, so you cant really confirm my claim. and you are not getting what i am saying, if town , for some reason, decides to correctly clear player x, player x should be killed by scum,,, even if towns reasoning is wrong.

Nothing else really worth replying to in your post.

There's the absolute that you're forcing us into. You're making this a dichotomy in

A). All of town reads Sven scum. Sven lynched.
B). All of town reads Sven town. Sven making it to endgame is scummy.

Why are you not considering maybe

C). Town have differing reads on Sven. Sven is not lynched nor is investigated at night.
^^^HELLO SCUM SUCCESS^^^


Also I find using meta to justify the likelihood of a miller fakeclaim frankly stupid.

Pretty much my thoughts as well. Forcing it into Black or White is really bad when Gray exists. I've also seen plenty of wolves claim miller and make it to a win in endgame, sooo...

VOTE: sven

here it is.

i dont like it because he is rewording orc´s thoughts just because, or so it feels to me. and i never said gray didnt exist, i just assumed that i would either be lynched or nk and not live to long.

If sven is town,

mafia would be staying far away

from this entire thing, IMO.

Let us whip ourselves

into a frenzy while they sit back and pop popcorn.

This is odd aswell and just feels like he is getting a chance to "put himself" inside town and distancing from threat.
it lacks natural flow... cant precise it more then that

VOTE: cabd

okay you can be town

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Nacho your recent actions are weird why'd you vote sven

Cabd's town as fuck, GiF is town as fuck, you're town as fuck, I can't lynch buldey on Day 1 because he is so great but ffery's posts will tell me their alignment.
MS is a boring vote.
Sven isn't towning hard enough for me yet.

I don't understand your cabd town read

[dntfkingcare]

VOTE: dntfckngcr

Hello my love. Was my dancing not up to par? I've been working on it, I apologize.

VOTE: dntfckngcr

I wonder if he gives a fuck?

Nope, not really



And sorry for the post and duck. I posted right before my nap. Then I had to go do some work. Hope you didn't miss me

[Nachomamma8]

I don't understand your cabd town read

I think I explained it earlier.
If I didn't, you can explain that Sven townread first!

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Have you been reading his posts

He is a model citizen

I am not seeing it but w/e

[Sajin]

Guys just let nacho read and decide on his own.

@Sajin: what else did you expect?

P-Edit: posts!

I would always criticize miller day 1 claims. I also wanted to know whether he investigated as a specific anti town faction name (the win condition leave open scum multiball possibility). I have also encountered a faction specific miller in a theme game before (Kingdom hearts mafia: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... start=4275 check role pm 13) Coincidentally that miller was a town miller tracker. Go figure. The miller player was a strong asset to the town in that game (not by night actions, but by day play) and I would like to give Sven the same chance.

Also this claim is still provable by flavor cop, role cop, tracker, watcher and various other kinds of roles.

Ok I think Sven is town. Or at least he could be and I am willing to give him a shot to live. Being a miller tracker, even in claim, will generate useful info over the course of a few days. I would like to reevaluate him in a few days based on play and association.

I also think this is large detriment to day 1 scumhunting so, its cool if you have an opinion on sven but I would encourage everyone to have an opinion on other people too.

Both of your roles?

VOTE: Sven

I think it is pretty obvious what he meant. Weak.

Varsoon is town too.

I'm

always

town. And never any cool roles, like Monado-wielder.

you can have mine. both of them

I bet your character is someone like Mumkhar or Dickson.

Can we not do random character speculation?

Varsoon is town too.

I'm

always

town. And never any cool roles, like Monado-wielder.

There is zero point to posting this at all.

Varsoon, what did you think of Sven's claim?

Honestly, I'll probably ignore the PR claim altogether when considering whether or not Sven is scum.
To me, claiming a town PR is the same as someone just saying "Hey, I am town," if a bit more lame since it hinges on some sort of town sympathy for PRs or something.
Generally, revealing PRs to the scum isn't a cool idea.
I don't know what the miller-tracker does. Please tell me.

P-EDIT:

Thanks, Sven.


That's a pretty damn convenient role to have if you're scum, and a shite one if you're town.
Regardless, I'm not going to think of you as miller-tracker, but as Sven, the maybe-town-guy.

Maybe this, maybe that. Bleh.

unvote

Vote: Varsoon

@Sven- So when you die, in your estimation, what will your death flip be exactly? You can leave character as [character] when you reply to this.

What were you insinuating with the picture link?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

you do realize that ffer is half decent at being scum right?

calling anyone "town as shit" or "x is town" after 6 pages is too loose, but i think you and orc have done a very good job so far.

i also think i have been towny as fuck.

hi sven. you don't know me but I am mollie it is nice to meet you. I have played a lot of games with fery on other sites I am probably the only human alive who has consistently spotted scum fery. she is looking town so far but I will have to have some direct interaction with her in order to firm up that read and I am hoping that I can do this without engaging in some dumb tard fight. I would go ahead and trust that if I were you even if you don't understand the reasons why.

[GuyInFreezer]

@Sajin: pretty obvious what? Please enlighten me because I'm already at the stage where sven's rebuttal looks like he's trying to wiggle out of the situation.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

orcinus, re svenskt I'm reminded of borkgame day 2 pretty forcefully. your thoughts?

- f

you went back on me before that, why was that?

you are scummy.

dummy. your "cracking" is reminding me of town-svenskt in that game.

- f

fery....

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[Nachomamma8]

I am so incredibly impatient for you to finish reading mollie.