Mini 1451: A Memory of Light (Game Over)

[Amrun]

Ghostlike, once again, I am not trying to convince you that you are scum. Let's be clear here, though; this is far from the only reason I said I suspected you. It's simply the only reason you chose to address because it was easiest to take pot shots at. It's also not at all about the "meaning" of any phrases. It's about your choice of words and mindset, and trying to play both sides of the field.

Short of a cop or similar, no one can have "proof" that someone else is scum. Everything is subjective, and everyone uses personal tells because that's what the entire game is about.

I think the very act of saying that sword of omens is scum no matter of milkshake's alignment is scummy, especially given soo's relative level of content. I think HOW you did this, and the words you used, are even scummier.

And your response now is scummier still. Trying to reduce my argument into a strawman and object to it on grounds that "it's subjective" and "it uses personal tells" is the same thing you did with milkshake by saying "it's just my word vs. yours!"

Of course it is. None of those thinks actually invalidate anyone's arguments and I think you're smart enough to know that.

[Amrun]

Ghostlike lol. Sorry on my phone. Attribute any weird typos to autocorrect.

[sword_of_omens]

post incoming...

[milkshake]

Hah, Sword of Omens is at L-4, I wonder if he will claim. xD

[Amrun]

..what?

[sword_of_omens]

Unvote:

for now…

Ok…first of all Let me Address the Subjects , questions, And/Or comments sent to me…

I am intrigued by SoO's promises of catch-ups and regular contributions.
Please do not forget to happen.
/drunkpost

You know that I’m good for it, Iece…also..i’ll come back to you in a bit…

Why does sword of omens have 3 votes on him?

Simplified, is that I am scum who regurgitated the case on Milkshake so I could have a validated reason to bus my partner (or quick-lynch a townie) and appear town at the same time by placing him at L-1 Yes? Another vote for me being lurky-lurk McLurkin. And one is a pressure vote waiting for a catch-up… Let me know if I’m wrong on any of this…

@Miss Des

Don't remember, but it wouldn't be the first time I had a sudden change in opinion on my scum-spects, you specifically

No worries, it’s not even a real maf game unless you call me scum
although you have to admit that the transition from your #153 to your #215 with no in-between, was bad…

@Ghostlin:

SOO's vote almost exactly echoes the reasoning provided by the rest of town. In that, it's completely unnecessary, Amrun
If Milkshake is scum, then SOO could very easily be bussing her as scum.
If Milkshake is town and I don't believe she is, then SOO could be scum to get her wagon off.
Either way, I feel that he didn't share anything we didn't already accuse Milkshake of,

and I feel he could be smart enough to USE L-1 in that manner.

Curious here, Gostlin…I don’t remember playing in a game with you before…so why would you feel that I am smart enough to use L-1 in “that matter”? Especially since I don’t have much post history in this game to compare it to…Also, if you’ve ever heard Nero tell it , he would say I am a shit player who needs other people to stick up for me . Please correct me if I’m wrong, Nero…Also, how exactly is my vote unnecessary again? Just because it echoes other people?

Ok, then...shall we apply your same logic to you and GCBC?
You state in your #118 that my vote is a “follow the leader” vote and that you have your eye on me.
GoodCop comes in, touches on, and goes into detail about my “follow the leader” vote. States that I am the most suspicious (as you did) and also soft defends “your vote” on the milkshake wagon, by saying: “I would love to hear why

both

Miss Destroyer and Milkshake feel that Ghostlin's vote is most scummy out of the six”. Afterwards, he states a theory:

Sword's vote makes sense as scum, regardless of Milkshake's alignment. As Milk-scum, its a convenient bus-vote placement so early on in the day. As Milk-Town, its an important vote to solidify Milk's position for lynch-candidacy, and if he (SwordofOmens) were lucky a quick-lynch

Wait a minute…that sounds vaguely familiar…
Hmm…where I have I seen that before?
Oh...yeah, you later stated the EXACT same thing here:

SOO's vote almost exactly echoes the reasoning provided by the rest of town. In that, it's completely unnecessary, Amrun.
If Milkshake is scum, then SOO could very easily be bussing her as scum.
If Milkshake is town and I don't believe she is, then SOO could be scum to get her wagon off.
Either way, I feel that he didn't share anything we didn't already accuse Milkshake of, and I feel he could be smart enough to USE L-1 in that manner.

Oh no! you are using someone else's point to call me scum...in the wise words of GCBC:

Not that agreeing with others' opinions or ideas is scummy, but if that is what you are doing, why not just say so instead of write a paragraph explaining your vote?

Holy shit, we're all scum! So shouldn't he be voting for you too, now? No?
Instead GCBC stops in just long enough in his #299 to once again defend you, Ghost…and wraps it in a nice bow stating that “Amrun is misrepping you..cause he knows what you mean to say, right?
So, there you have it…easy peasy…scum found...

@Iecerint -

I am worried about you and I would actually like to see some better content…you play well as town and I’m not really seeing it here…Why is your vote on me, especially after your #173? I want to know why I am suspect, considering you came back stated (#176) that my L-1 vote didn’t mean anything to you either way. And I don’t see anything in there from you where you explain what changed your mind?
To clarify: you state that “Milk is particularily scummy” ….you don’t feel my L-1 vote is alignment indicative (which I’d agree with) and doesn’t sway you either way with me…
only that my vote is more questionable than Ghostlin’s….
So…you are mainly voting me (over your top scum pick) because of a “more” questionable vote?


Damn this is taking longer than I expected….gotta run to lunch, I’ll finish up a later and throw my vote down after i touch on a few others...…

[sword_of_omens]

grrr... damn double post...

@Mod - CAn you delete one of those please?

Yep.

[Iecerint]

@Iecerint - Why is your vote on me, especially after your #173? I want to know why I am suspect, considering you came back stated (#176) that my L-1 vote didn’t mean anything to you either way.

I think you have gotten some pronouns from my 176 mixed-up. My 176 is about

milk's vote for Ghostlin

; it's only about you insomuch as your vote was relevant to milk's decision to vote Ghostlin [brackets added for pronoun clarity]:

I'm bothered by a lot of milkshake's playchoices (e.g., the stuff with Nero -- didn't seem like a natural/organic interaction to me from milk's side). Milk's explanation that he was exploring people's take on the MattP situation doesn't make sense to me because Nero is someone who had already been pretty clear. Milkscum trying to push a wagon from the sidelines accounts for this kind of stuff..

While we're at it, what do you think of Milk's current vote, Ice?

I think his vote [i.e., Milk's vote for Ghostlin, not SoO's vote for Milk] was decent at the time that he [milk] made it, as it wasn't really until your [Ghostlin's] posts after that that I changed my mind about you [Ghostlin]. I can also buy his [milk's] "L-1 takes guts" reasoning on discounting SoO relative to you [Ghostlin]. So that particular vote [milk's vote for Ghostlin] doesn't really push me in either reason; at most, it's less telling than other stuff [i.e., the early stuff with Nero]

The reason I am voting you is that I was sympathetic-but-not-sold on milkwagon, I thought your votepost was probably most questionable-y given milkTown, and I wanted you to post more.

[sword_of_omens]

I think you have gotten some pronouns from my 176 mixed-up.

ahhh...ok..my bad...i did mess that last part up on your 176, thinking the "less telling" was about me....
cool...that actually makes me feel much better about you...so strike my "i am worried about you" comment...

[ThAdmiral]

Ghostlike, once again, I am not trying to convince you that you are scum. Let's be clear here, though; this is far from the only reason I said I suspected you. It's simply the only reason you chose to address because it was easiest to take pot shots at. It's also not at all about the "meaning" of any phrases. It's about your choice of words and mindset, and trying to play both sides of the field.

Short of a cop or similar, no one can have "proof" that someone else is scum. Everything is subjective, and everyone uses personal tells because that's what the entire game is about.

I think the very act of saying that sword of omens is scum no matter of milkshake's alignment is scummy, especially given soo's relative level of content. I think HOW you did this, and the words you used, are even scummier.

And your response now is scummier still. Trying to reduce my argument into a strawman and object to it on grounds that "it's subjective" and "it uses personal tells" is the same thing you did with milkshake by saying "it's just my word vs. yours!"

Of course it is. None of those thinks actually invalidate anyone's arguments and I think you're smart enough to know that.

This case is not convincing at all. You've been going on about this for pages. Stop clogging up the game thread.

Hah, Sword of Omens is at L-4, I wonder if he will claim. xD

Can we please kill him?

[Demon]

Milkshake is referring to sword's sig...

[Demon]

I'm having doubts about the Ghostlin/Selkies interaction being scum/scum.

I would love to hear a short summary of why Ghostlin is town from Selkies.

How does selkies give you second thoughts about Ghost if you still dont even know why selkies thinks Ghost is town.

[Selkies]

Ghost is town and I'm not saying anything more

[Amrun]

ThAd, seriously? That's not a case. It's an explanation of one comment that several different people have requested expansion on.

If all you're going to do is tell people who ARE generating content to stop doing it, then you maybe need to re-evaluate why you aren't providing any content of your own.

[Ghostlin]

Ghostlin still seems a little scummy to me. "I never made a mistake! Your views are subjective!" seems kind of like something scum would say. Town can't feel insecure about what they said being towny. No matter what town says it is "towny" and the people who think otherwise are wrong. Also, all views are subjective at this stage of the game.

Wow.

That's

a misrep if I ever read one.

A closer summation of my last post would be 'I meant exactly what I said, you're reading your own personal tells/putting motives that don't exist/words in my mouth.'

No where did I claim perfection. That's an awful summation, and awful does actually mean scummy in this case.

[Ghostlin]

Ghost is town and I'm not saying anything more

Someone's been paying attention this game. I'm glad I've not had to

hide

it from someone.

[Amrun]

THAT

THAT RIGHT THERE

You act like Selkies is scum but then treat them like town.

[Amrun]

If Ghostlin flips red, Selkies is town. Period.

[Ghostlin]

I think the very act of saying that sword of omens is scum no matter of milkshake's alignment is scummy, especially given soo's relative level of content. I think HOW you did this, and the words you used, are even scummier.

And your response now is scummier still. Trying to reduce my argument into a strawman and object to it on grounds that "it's subjective" and "it uses personal tells" is the same thing you did with milkshake by saying "it's just my word vs. yours!"

How, Amrun? I could go on that your

dream

-like delusion of the existing reality in front of you means we've not been playing the same game or reading the same game thread, but you've not really impressed anyone on how the response is scummier besides dealing in complete and utter intangibles.

Let me ask you a question: SOO posted reasons similar to mine voting Milkshake. His post count has been low, but he was able to post enough to elucidate reasons for voting Milkshake and looking Town. Do you or do you not think it's suspicious considering the amount of stuff he's posted?

Amrun, consider for a moment I've been feeding ducks.

[Demon]

... Can we all just move our votes on to Beli and call it a day.

[Amrun]

Stop pretending that any argument for anyone being scum that doesn't involve role information is "tangible," ESPECIALLY on day 1. It's just ridiculous.

As for sword ... honestly?

No, I don't find his milkshake vote especially scummy, really. At the most, it's only as scummy as YOUR entrance to the milkshake wagon, which I found fairly bad. Sword_of_omens is ALWAYS an infreqent "catch up" poster. Always. NEVER seen him not do this -- he provides content eventually, but it's in fleeting bursts.

Ducks... What.

[Demon]

Please for the love of god stop responding to Amrun Ghost. Getting a headache.

[Amrun]

Summarize your opinion of Selkies for me, Ghostlin.

Feeling slightly queasy about that slot. Like it's..not something I can name, actually. They hadn't been town or scum for me until that last post clanged. There's no point in such...cordiality from a hydra, particularly since you occupied a slot that was low activity and somewhat suspicious.

When Selkies calls Ghostlin scum, Ghostlin tries to get me to see Selkies as even scummier and says that he finds the spot suspicious after they "suck up" to me.

Ghost is town and I'm not saying anything more

Someone's been paying attention this game. I'm glad I've not had to

hide

it from someone.

Selkies calls Ghostlin town, and now all of a sudden, he doesn't have to "hide" from them, meaning they are genuinely reading him, MEANING THEY ARE 100% TOWN. No one has to "hide" their towniness from scum.


Ghostlin. Is. Scum.

[Amrun]

Please for the love of god stop responding to Amrun Ghost. Getting a headache.

Try content. It's nice, I hear.

[Ghostlin]

Selkies calls Ghostlin town, and now all of a sudden, he doesn't have to "hide" from them, meaning they are genuinely reading him, MEANING THEY ARE 100% TOWN. No one has to "hide" their towniness from scum.

Nope, this isn't what I meant. Try again.