Newbie 1351: Hyrule's Under Attack.. Interesting..-GAME OVER

[fferyllt]

right.

[VisceraEyes]

Yeah, okay. That looks bad. In addition, none of the "keep" examples felt out of place or forced...it looks like she just Ctrl-F'd a few different words and found one that she used a lot. Considering that's demonstrably something she does AS scum, I can lynch GM based on this.

##Unvote
##Vote: goodmorning

[Mac]

I *think* I like that vote purely because it would be a good gambit to perform as scum and possibly get away with it. ff has done a good job of finding that quote, and like I said earlier, keep is such an easy-to-use word it could be ctrl+f'd easily for a fake claim.

out of interest, did anyone compare the use of keep by others compared to GM?

[fferyllt]

I searched my own posts at the time. half the number of occurrences in more posts. about 100 more at the time IIRC.

[Mac]

The best way here is surely to work in percentages, but that's too much of a hassle.

just counted mine at it's about 9 in less posts I'm sure.

[Mac]

EBWOP - too much of a hassle right now, for me at least. will maybe take a shot tomorrow.

[VisceraEyes]

Psychologically speaking, GM doesn't appear as suspicious of Mac as she should be. Like, presuming she's a real JK, after a no-kill would you NOT be INSTANTLY and almost IRREVOCABLY suspicious of your JK target? Like, sure there are other possibilities, but if you're the JK would you not immediately think that the simplest and most logical conclusion is that your target is scum? Especially considering by her own admission she doesn't think that it's likely Mac would have been targeted by a NK.

[fferyllt]

Psychologically speaking, GM doesn't appear as suspicious of Mac as she should be. Like, presuming she's a real JK, after a no-kill would you NOT be INSTANTLY and almost IRREVOCABLY suspicious of your JK target? Like, sure there are other possibilities, but if you're the JK would you not immediately think that the simplest and most logical conclusion is that your target is scum? Especially considering by her own admission she doesn't think that it's likely Mac would have been targeted by a NK.

Yeah. sometimes JKs try to protect with their night action, but she said she was blocking Mac.

[Mac]

Psychologically speaking, GM doesn't appear as suspicious of Mac as she should be. Like, presuming she's a real JK, after a no-kill would you NOT be INSTANTLY and almost IRREVOCABLY suspicious of your JK target? Like, sure there are other possibilities, but if you're the JK would you not immediately think that the simplest and most logical conclusion is that your target is scum? Especially considering by her own admission she doesn't think that it's likely Mac would have been targeted by a NK.

I agree with this as well. When playing as a PR I like to see if I can trip up the scum or trap them in a corner. Maybe that's personal playstyle though. Still, there's just something not right about the claim.

VOTE: goodmorning

[fferyllt]

I think that's L-2. I won't put down a vote until GM has a chance to respond.

[Ineffective]

I searched my own posts at the time. half the number of occurrences in more posts. about 100 more at the time IIRC.

The best way here is surely to work in percentages, but that's too much of a hassle.

just counted mine at it's about 9 in less posts I'm sure.

This isnt a very scientific way of comparing occurance. Earlier we did a better comparison that showed GM uses the word keep as much or more often in other threads compared to his usage on this thread--- this says more because everyone uses different words at different frequency and this proves GM did not intentionally insert "keep". -- if he did it would occur more often here imo

[Ineffective]

Her*

[fferyllt]

I searched my own posts at the time. half the number of occurrences in more posts. about 100 more at the time IIRC.

The best way here is surely to work in percentages, but that's too much of a hassle.

just counted mine at it's about 9 in less posts I'm sure.

This isnt a very scientific way of comparing occurance. Earlier we did a better comparison that showed GM uses the word keep as much or more often in other threads compared to his usage on this thread--- this says more because everyone uses different words at different frequency and this proves GM did not intentionally insert "keep". -- if he did it would occur more often here imo

I know. But, Mac asked about searches of other players' "keep" word counts.

[goodmorning]

Look who's back from vacation after her flight was delayed for four hours.

When she claimed JK, she pointed up crumbs she left in this game. There was some skepticism but we eventually accepted they could be real crumbs.

I just want to point out that I didn't find jack shit or I would have claimed something, regardless of whether I was under lynch pressure.

GM... Take a stance somewhere... I have suspended my paranoia and have been hoping for you to have some sort of conviction. Who is scum.

Well. It's Mac. If it isn't Mac, it's Z.

JKing mac would be the perfect copout claim for a no-kill

So would jailing ff. Your point?

my current theory is that GM tried to kill ffer then claimed to JK mac to frame him

This is, quite frankly, stupid. If I were scum I would have killed VE because as he claimed Doc I'd want him out of the way. At a level of 99% surety that he wouldn't be protected,

why wouldn't I just kill him

?
I realize this is WIFOM, but seriously. Why in the fuck would I bother with ff?

Considering that's demonstrably something she does AS scum, I can lynch GM based on this.

Except I haven't done it. I have never found crumb lookalikes in my posts as Scum. Now, if you wanted to accuse me of planting fake crumbs, that would be an argument.

Psychologically speaking, GM doesn't appear as suspicious of Mac as she should be. Like, presuming she's a real JK, after a no-kill would you NOT be INSTANTLY and almost IRREVOCABLY suspicious of your JK target? Like, sure there are other possibilities, but if you're the JK would you not immediately think that the simplest and most logical conclusion is that your target is scum? Especially considering by her own admission she doesn't think that it's likely Mac would have been targeted by a NK.

Except that if you're actually the doctor, ff doesn't seem a massively unlikely target for an NK. And a no-kill is possible, if Scum is either you or someone who thought that a no-kill would lead to WIFOMPRLYNCHTIME (considering that there was a chance both PRs protected each other, better to get the certain death of lynch).
I'd like to see some instances where you think I'm "not as suspicious as I should be".
As for "simplest and most logical conclusion", Occam was a dick and logic entails looking down all the alleys.

Vote: Mac

[Mac]

Interesting.

[fferyllt]

This is, quite frankly, stupid. If I were scum I would have killed VE because as he claimed Doc I'd want him out of the way. At a level of 99% surety that he wouldn't be protected, why wouldn't I just kill him?
I realize this is WIFOM, but seriously. Why in the fuck would I bother with ff?

this resonates.

[Ineffective]

This is, quite frankly, stupid. If I were scum I would have killed VE because as he claimed Doc I'd want him out of the way. At a level of 99% surety that he wouldn't be protected, why wouldn't I just kill him?
I realize this is WIFOM, but seriously. Why in the fuck would I bother with ff?

this resonates.

The way it was stated seems genuine... But the argument alone is worthless

[Mac]

We seem to have hit a wall. My two cents is that I think GM is scum fakeclaiming because of how she doesn't actually state she thinks it's me

until she absolutely has too.

<--- this comes from a mix of her picking up votes and being told to take a stance by Ine. She could've came into day three saying she jailkept me & how I was the likely scum and voted me there and then. Let's be honest: if you jailkeep your top suspect and there's no kill, you are going to think it's them. Instead, she barely mentions me until she is told to take a side and as she's picking up votes, she decides it's me or Z.

GM keeps involving WIFOM (oh if I was fakeclaiming I would definitely kill VE) which sounds ridiculous because that's probably what scum would say if they NK'd or targetted fery. Kinda sounds like she possibly did go for fery and realises her error. Maybe she banked on VE protecting her? Plus the fact Z has been trying his best to lynch VE for some godawful reason. It stands that VE would be left alive by scumGM to not narrow down the possibility of people finding out her fakeclaim. With VE alive, there is still the added element of "ohhh, he

could

still be fake-claiming."

I hope this makes sense. These are my thoughts at the moment on why I think we should lynch GM.

[goodmorning]

^This is interesting because it shows a complete 180 in his thinking

only at a time when it is convenient to him

.

[Mac]

That's complete lies: my head has been leaning towards you prior to this. Nice effort trying to twist it though, I mean you even used the phrase I used!

[fferyllt]

GM is at L-2 and I am willing to vote her.

I want to talk about what town does next if she flips town. If there is a day 4 it looks to me like it will be a mess because to the extent there is a town core it's pretty tattered. That worries me.

[goodmorning]

What I want to know is why we have discounted Mac as a lynch today.

[Z7-852]

I have now been puzzling between VisceraEyes and goodmorning. When mass-claims came it just made me more suspicious of these two. Goodmornings claim came as a natural timing and it sounded sincere but parts of it like "keep"-claim sounded fabricated. VisceraEyes claim was also weird because I don't understand why Doctor would voluntary reveal oneself unless there have been a no-kill.

fferyllt bought out facts (#2384) that make the

goodmorning

s claim even more interesting. Inneffective pointed out that (#2391) jailing Mac would be a good explanation for no-night-kill and I want to add that goodmorning have been pushing Mac quite consistently. But VisceraEyes is right (#2406) that pressure have been lessen after the night unlike it should have been.
One thing that speaks for goodmorning is that she is right (#2413) that killing a doctor is optimal move for any scum in the game. It's really interesting that scum would even consider no-night-kill.

VisceraEyes

went again (#2393) to his style of "anyone-can-go" approach. This have slowly chanced since he first joined the game. At first he wasn't willing to do anything else but focus on one player at a time. When those wagons failed he always created new ones without cases to back them up. This is why I have been leaning on scum on him the whole game long.

Mac just doesn't seem viable lynch and fferyllt and Ineffective have been strong town reads almost the whole game. Reasons why I see Mac as a town are written in my earlier posts.

To me no-night kill makes sense only if one of power role claims is false. This why I would really want to lynch ether VisceraEyes or goodmorning. If goodmorning is town then VisceraEyes seems most likely scum for me and vise versa.

Scumometer (tm)
fferyllt < Ineffective < Mac < goodmorning < VisceraEyes

[goodmorning]

goodmorning have been pushing Mac quite consistently. But VisceraEyes is right (#2406) that pressure have been lessen after the night unlike it should have been.

Really?

@Ine: If you could be 100% sure that either VE or myself was Scum but didn't know which, which one of us would you be inclined to lynch first and why?

Because if it comes to lynching a PR claim, VE should go first. Claiming Doc is wayyyyyy sketchy.

[Z7-852]

Claiming Doc is way sketchy but doc is better role to gather information than jail keeper. The whole claiming Doc was so weird that that is the only reason why I'am currently voting VisceraEyes but that doesn't mean I wouldn't be willing to lynch goodmorning either.