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Desperado · Post Post #1750 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2013 10:30 am

In post 1748, Mutleyddmc wrote:The only saving grace I can see from this. Is that we did get a flip yesterday in GCBC. So we didnt get a complete no lynch. However there should have been a lynch. I'm looking at those who were on late but didnt change their vote rather than those who didnt vote.

This is not a saving grace, it actually makes it worse. Everything we gained from GCBC flipping scum has now been rendered moot.

And why would we let the people who didn't vote slide? There's no excuse for letting a day end without a vote when it lasted two weeks and pushed 70 pages.

Mutleyddmc · Post Post #1751 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2013 10:32 am

Hey why don't you want to hear from me?

Woah didnt say let it slide. Just that I'm looking at those who were on who could have done something or most likely vote me. Like the four you mentioned!

Not a complete saving grace but it's sure as hell better than no flips on day 1 at all

Desperado · Post Post #1752 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2013 10:44 am

In post 1751, Mutleyddmc wrote:Hey why don't you want to hear from me?

Woah didnt say let it slide. Just that I'm looking at those who were on who could have done something or most likely vote me. Like the four you mentioned!

Not a complete saving grace but it's sure as hell better than no flips on day 1 at all

I don't want to hear from you about why you unvoted yourself and voted Goat because you're scum and it's what I would expect you to do. You also had the chance to continue voting yourself (which you had said you would do if necessary) and yet there you are, on the Goat wagon at the end of the day.

There's no reason to look at the people who voted Goat over yourself in lieu of the ones who didn't vote...a vote for Goat yesterday was essentially a vote for no one. All 8 of them are equally scummy for allowing the NL to happen.

But Malcolm should die first because he's the one who gave everyone an opportunity to vote Goat without having to explain why they didn't hammer mutley.

Mac · Post Post #1753 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2013 10:46 am

Desperado what do you make of sven and his "mutley will be lynched at this rate anyway" post?

Mutleyddmc · Post Post #1754 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2013 10:47 am

I said I would hammer myself. However I also like to play and live so surely putting my vote on goat until I had to was the best option.

Desperado · Post Post #1755 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2013 10:52 am

In post 1753, Mac wrote:Desperado what do you make of sven and his "mutley will be lynched at this rate anyway" post?

It's bothersome because the rules clearly say otherwise...with that said, I also wouldn't expect scum to make that blatant of a mistake.

It reads like a townie who didn't bother checking the rules to make sure he was right, rather than scum giving an excuse for allowing a NL to occur. Especially when Sven's opinion on mutleyscum was pretty clear.

Mac · Post Post #1756 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2013 10:58 am

In post 1755, Desperado wrote:
In post 1753, Mac wrote:Desperado what do you make of sven and his "mutley will be lynched at this rate anyway" post?
It's bothersome because the rules clearly say otherwise...with that said, I also wouldn't expect scum to make that blatant of a mistake.

It reads like a townie who didn't bother checking the rules to make sure he was right, rather than scum giving an excuse for allowing a NL to occur. Especially when Sven's opinion on mutleyscum was pretty clear.

no but sven is pretty competent and those rules are effectively sitewide..

Mutleyddmc · Post Post #1757 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2013 11:04 am

In post 1755, Desperado wrote:
In post 1753, Mac wrote:Desperado what do you make of sven and his "mutley will be lynched at this rate anyway" post?
It's bothersome because the rules clearly say otherwise...with that said, I also wouldn't expect scum to make that blatant of a mistake.

It reads like a townie who didn't bother checking the rules to make sure he was right, rather than scum giving an excuse for allowing a NL to occur. Especially when Sven's opinion on mutleyscum was pretty clear.

I can't wait for the time you see I'm not scum.

ferretlover · Post Post #1758 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2013 11:14 am

In post 1757, Mutleyddmc wrote:
In post 1755, Desperado wrote:
In post 1753, Mac wrote:Desperado what do you make of sven and his "mutley will be lynched at this rate anyway" post?
It's bothersome because the rules clearly say otherwise...with that said, I also wouldn't expect scum to make that blatant of a mistake.

It reads like a townie who didn't bother checking the rules to make sure he was right, rather than scum giving an excuse for allowing a NL to occur. Especially when Sven's opinion on mutleyscum was pretty clear.
I can't wait for the time you see I'm not scum.

^He wants to get lynched^

Mac · Post Post #1759 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2013 11:21 am

I pretty much agree with Desp that Malcolm's vote on Goat pretty much resulted in a NL. however...

In post 1718, Jebus wrote:I don't agree with the Mutt wagon, it seems somewhat silly. I wouldn't mind a goat wagon.

seriously this post sucks in every possible manner. combined with the fact he ended up voting neither wagon...

Vote Jebus

ferretlover · Post Post #1760 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2013 11:37 am

Jebus has only posted 14 times. I'll try and do an ISO a bit later.

MonkeyMan576 · Post Post #1761 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2013 11:38 am

Malcolm, Jebus, and Angel all seem like sound wagons to me.

Vote: Malcolm

ferretlover · Post Post #1762 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2013 11:39 am

Still not sure about the AA9 lynch though.

TheEsquire · Post Post #1763 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2013 12:28 pm

I felt like Mutley was a poorer lynch target than others out there, The Goat included. If you recall, I had my vote down on Fuzzyman up until that time for that exact reason. The Goat train started, I felt more comfortable with that seeing that no one else would call for Fuzzy's head yesterday, and didn't want a no-lynch to happen. I even said that if I had to change my vote to avoid a no lynch in the end I would if I was able. I actually woke up just in time to change my vote, logged on, clicked submit, and got a notification the thread was locked. Turns out the timezone math I did in my head was an hour off, I missed the deadline by a minute, and I felt like an idiot, though I can't prove any that to any of you.

petapan · Post Post #1764 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2013 12:37 pm

In post 1749, Desperado wrote:I want to hear from all eight of you, actually. The four (not counting mutley obviously) who voted Goat the end of the day, and the four who essentially wasted their vote. There is no town motivation to a NL, so I'll be voting in this group of eight today.

nexus fucked up the number of the deadline day, I read the number, not the day, and logged on on the 18th to find the thread locked, I PMed nexus complaining but he told me the day had already been extended so oh well and i told him to be more careful because he's made the mistake before

i don't care though i didn't really want to lynch muttley

also i joined this game for grazie and he flaked like a fucker and now i hate myself and this gimmick

Skullduggery · Post Post #1765 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2013 12:57 pm

Don't get your hopes up with that Jebus vote, Mac. Just wait for that lurking sack of crap to get replaced by someone who will actually play the game.

In post 1738, ArcAngel9 wrote:so bad that the Day 1 lynch didn't go through...

No. Absolutely not. You do

not

get to lament the day ending in a no-lynch when you didn't even vote for anybody. You're part of the problem. Either start playing the game or replace out.

In post 1747, ferretlover wrote:Yes it is a real question. Everyone is raving about how bad it is and I'm not sure about the full effects of it.

The only two deaths in the game thus far have been caused by Scum. Lynching other players is the only way for Town to assert some sort of control. I don't know about you, but I don't want to sit here and let the Scum players decide who lives and who dies. We have no chance of winning this game unless we lynch Scum. No-lynches must be avoided.

In post 1757, Mutleyddmc wrote:I can't wait for the time you see I'm not scum.

Never heard Scum say

that

before.

In post 1749, Desperado wrote:Vote: xMalcolmx

I'm putting the NL on him. Mutley was at 10 votes and almost certain to be hammered, until Malcolm unvoted to vote Goat, who had 2 votes on him at the time. So instead of it being mutley 10, Goat 2 with eight chances to hammer mutley, it was mutley 9, Goat 3 and then mutley, darthe, esquire, and peta all voted Goat when there was literally no chance of that lynch ever going through. They would have needed all four of Jebus, Arc, fuzzy, and Rated to join them, and that just wasn't going to happen in less than 24 hours.

Darn it, Desperado, you stole my thunder, you jerk.

That's pretty much exactly what I was going to say. We had Mutley at L-1, but then, for whatever asinine reason, Malcolm decides to start a counter-wagon on Goat less than 24 hours before the deadline

even though he had made it abundantly clear that he was going to kill Goat during the night.

Why on Earth would you start a counter-wagon on a player that you intended to kill yourself? And hey, would you look at that -- there was only one kill last night, and it was from the Heyman Mafia (CM Punk's flavor). Where is Malcolm's kill? Maybe it never existed because he's lying out his teeth.

VOTE: xMALCOLMx

Malcolm, I think you need to come clean. I have two questions for you:
1.) Are you a Vigilante?
2.) Did you try to kill Goat last night?

There is a third question, but it will depend on the answers you give to these two.

Mac · Post Post #1766 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2013 1:03 pm

In post 1161, Fuzzyman wrote:Heyman would probably be a scumteam with CM Punk and Brock Lesnar. So this would likely be a cross-kill.

CGBC's wagon consisted of Goat, Krab, RatedR, Svensk, and Jebus. RatedR, Krab's replacement Mutley, and Goat are giving me town reads. I see Jebus as a bit scummier now than before.

Vote: Jebus

I lookws back at the GCBC kill and I simply cannot fathom out this post.

you are voting for people on the wagon of the guy who died... who was scum?

this looks like an effort to frame those on GCBC's wagon which hasn't worked because GCBC flipped scum.

ferretlover · Post Post #1767 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2013 1:05 pm

Maybe because it looked liked bussing? idk

Mac · Post Post #1768 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2013 1:07 pm

he say it looks like a cross-kill.. no shit. that doesn't mean those on the wagon are directly responsible.

a quick ISO of fuzzyman suggests he has offered very little towards this game so far. including not voting at the end of day one.

VOTE: Fuzzyman

Skullduggery · Post Post #1769 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2013 1:27 pm

In post 1755, Desperado wrote:
In post 1753, Mac wrote:Desperado what do you make of sven and his "mutley will be lynched at this rate anyway" post?
It's bothersome because the rules clearly say otherwise...with that said, I also wouldn't expect scum to make that blatant of a mistake.

It reads like a townie who didn't bother checking the rules to make sure he was right, rather than scum giving an excuse for allowing a NL to occur. Especially when Sven's opinion on mutleyscum was pretty clear.

Sven's opinion on the Krab/Mutley slot has been anything but clear! He's been flip-flopping on his opinion of that slot for the entire freaking game.

Lots o' quotes:

Spoiler:

First he had Krab as a Town read but didn't know why. Then he had Krab as a Town read because of an emotional outburst. Then he doesn't want to lynch Krab simply because there are better choices. Then he just didn't want to lynch Krab simply because he didn't like the other people on that wagon. Then he doesn't want to lynch Krab because he could be a PR. Then wait, no, actually, backpedal a bit, Krab isn't Town after all, but he still doesn't want to lynch him for whatever reason. Then Mutley is claiming prematurely, but no, still not gonna vote for him. Then wait, yeah, actually, Mutley does sound like a pretty good vote right about now. Wait, no, scratch that, he just plain refuses to vote for Mutley.

Not even Sven knows why he doesn't want to lynch the Krab/Mutley slot.

Nero Cain · Post Post #1770 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2013 1:34 pm

In post 1749, Desperado wrote:
Vote: xMalcolmx

I'm putting the NL on him.

Why are they more to blame then Esq, Darthe, Peta?

I also think its lame and scummy for you to blame Malcolm for the votes on Goat from the above 3.

Nero Cain · Post Post #1771 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2013 1:46 pm

vote:Despo

Desperado · Post Post #1772 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2013 1:54 pm

I didn't say he knew why he didn't want to lynch Mutley, just that his position of "I'm not voting mutley" was pretty clear. I don't see a lot of flip-flopping in those quotes...I don't agree with his conclusions but basically all of them are some variation of "krab/mutley is town."

In post 1763, TheEsquire wrote:I felt like Mutley was a poorer lynch target than others out there, The Goat included. If you recall, I had my vote down on Fuzzyman up until that time for that exact reason. The Goat train started, I felt more comfortable with that seeing that no one else would call for Fuzzy's head yesterday, and didn't want a no-lynch to happen. I even said that if I had to change my vote to avoid a no lynch in the end I would if I was able. I actually woke up just in time to change my vote, logged on, clicked submit, and got a notification the thread was locked. Turns out the timezone math I did in my head was an hour off, I missed the deadline by a minute, and I felt like an idiot, though I can't prove any that to any of you.

You don't have to prove it to me, I experienced something similar.

Why did you have Goat over mutley?

In post 1764, petapan wrote:
In post 1749, Desperado wrote:I want to hear from all eight of you, actually. The four (not counting mutley obviously) who voted Goat the end of the day, and the four who essentially wasted their vote. There is no town motivation to a NL, so I'll be voting in this group of eight today.
nexus fucked up the number of the deadline day, I read the number, not the day, and logged on on the 18th to find the thread locked, I PMed nexus complaining but he told me the day had already been extended so oh well and i told him to be more careful because he's made the mistake before

i don't care though i didn't really want to lynch muttley

also i joined this game for grazie and he flaked like a fucker and now i hate myself and this gimmick

It's really unfortunate that all of you are going to be able to chalk this up to mod error, because it's true. Esquire noted the error on the 14th, Nexus acknowledged it on the 15th, and then never changed it in his vote count. Oh well.

Why didn't you want to lynch mutley?

In post 1765, Skullduggery wrote:Darn it, Desperado, you stole my thunder, you jerk.

That's pretty much exactly what I was going to say. We had Mutley at L-1, but then, for whatever asinine reason, Malcolm decides to start a counter-wagon on Goat less than 24 hours before the deadline even though he had made it abundantly clear that he was going to kill Goat during the night. Why on Earth would you start a counter-wagon on a player that you intended to kill yourself? And hey, would you look at that -- there was only one kill last night, and it was from the Heyman Mafia (CM Punk's flavor). Where is Malcolm's kill? Maybe it never existed because he's lying out his teeth.

I was extremely disappointed by the way the day ended and spent a considerable amount of time (at the expense of other games that are currently in the day phase, at that) trying to figure out what the fuck happened. Turned out it was pretty obvious, and I feel like I have a pretty good grasp of the game at this point.

Beyond Malcolm, who else are you looking at today?

In post 1770, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1749, Desperado wrote:
Vote: xMalcolmx

I'm putting the NL on him.
Why are they more to blame then Esq, Darthe, Peta?

I also think its lame and scummy for you to blame Malcolm for the votes on Goat from the above 3.

...what sort of question is this? Here is the full quote:

In post 1749, Desperado wrote:
Vote: xMalcolmx

I'm putting the NL on him.
Mutley was at 10 votes and almost certain to be hammered, until Malcolm unvoted to vote Goat, who had 2 votes on him at the time. So instead of it being mutley 10, Goat 2 with eight chances to hammer mutley, it was mutley 9, Goat 3 and then mutley, darthe, esquire, and peta all voted Goat when there was literally no chance of that lynch ever going through.
They would have needed all four of Jebus, Arc, fuzzy, and Rated to join them, and that just wasn't going to happen in less than 24 hours.

What about the bolded is unclear? Furthermore, Skull built on my points in his #1765.

And where did I blame Malcolm for their votes? I said he created a situation in which they could vote Goat without mutley being at L-1 and thus avoiding having to answer for not hammering him. What was the town motivation for Malcolm's switch?

Desperado · Post Post #1773 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2013 1:56 pm

In post 1771, Nero Cain wrote:
vote:Despo

You're going to have to explain this some more after clipping my explanation for why Malcolm deserves more blame and then asking me why Malcolm deserves more blame and misrepping something else I said.

The Goat · Post Post #1774 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2013 2:03 pm

In post 1770, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1749, Desperado wrote:
Vote: xMalcolmx

I'm putting the NL on him.
Why are they more to blame then Esq, Darthe, Peta?

I also think its lame and scummy for you to blame Malcolm for the votes on Goat from the above 3.

*suspicious look*

You're not scummy after all, are you?

Nero, what is YOUR read on Malcolm? I think he's scummy as hell, and his read on me has nothing to do with that.