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Your hypothetical is compelling, in almost all situations then, absolutes do tend to have a habit of biting one in the ass XD.

I only made it hypothetical to get my point across; I've encountered many situations in which I found it much better trusting someone elses read than my own. Usually it's a matter of someone knowing a player much better than I do, or me not having adequate time to establish a clear read.

- b

[²]

and buldey left out a huge response to the middle of his catch up yesterday, things I would think that he would respond to

I did leave it out, and I was going to respond to it,

but f said she already pressured you on gchat

so I figured I'd leave it be. I already pointed out what stood out to me.

- b

wat

What about it?

- b

[TMTOLBTWNTOF]

I had a feeling that ghostlin is town and after reading his scumgame I still think he's town.
He's waaaaaaaaayyyyyy too polite in his scumgame.

What is the strength of this townread?

[GuyInFreezer]

Under 9000.

[²]

In case I wasn't clear enough, I'm asking player-wise.
You know. Like "who did what so he's suspicious." Kind of stuff.

Ok. Let's go.

²: If it's ok, I'm going to read ² as one person and not two separate people. Same goes for Beast. ² is scum to me because he reads TD as scum with little to no base and seems to be ignoring TD's more towny posts.
Aj The Epic: Null-Scum. I perceive AtE in #945 but that's pretty much it.
Andrius: Null, lack of posts.
BeautyAndTheBeast: Town. Reading well and catching things and no scumreads as of yet.
BROseidon: No reads as of yet.
Cabd: Null-Scum, mainly for not specifying reads in #931.
dntfkingcare: Null, lack of posts.
Ghostlin: After an ISO after Varsoon's read, scummy.
GuyInFreezer: Town. No scumreads. I like you asking questions.
jon_h61: no posts.
Mac: Town for the most part, but look at his #811, #821, and #831. Detailed analysis AJ is scummy, waits for nacho to vote, then says he's "considering" voting as well?!?!?
Metal Sonic: Null (no posts)
orcinus_theoriginal: Town. No scumreads, and acts and reads town.
RachMarie: Agree with Mac's #1010. Seems to be ignoring large portions of the game.
Sajin: Null.
Svenskt Stål: Active lurking, seemingly. Active early on but quieter now. Lingering scumreads from the claim and such.
Nachomamma8: Null. Towny early in game, but I feel a little less so about that.
TiphaineDeath: Town, scummy early in game, but did a 180
TMTOLBTWNTOF: No comment
Varsoon: Null, I'm finding it hard to read him.

P EDIT

Gif- I did not "disappear," I was reading all 42 pages and typing this read post the whole goddamn time.

How is Svenskt Stål "seemingly" active lurking? Did he not explicitly state that he isn't even going to be reading the game?

- b

[GuyInFreezer]

I don't know about active lurkin' but last time I met his as scum he lurked after talking a bit in early game.

[GuyInFreezer]

Him*

[²]

I've done it before its quite easy.

Teach me!

- b

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

andy don't go away

I want to close to you

really close

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

fery half of the 2 hydra:

what was your gut reaction to andy's big long post?

[²]

You know, if we lynched 2 we'd probably save TONS of digital trees in posts and pages.

Unvote, Vote: 2

The difference between the two of us is that my posts are actually easy to quote.

- b

[²]

Under 9000.

Meme identified.

Almost.

- b

[²]

I don't know about active lurkin' but last time I met his as scum he lurked after talking a bit in early game.

My point is he's explicitly doing so - he isn't pretending to be active or anything like that.

- b

[Andrius]

I've done it before its quite easy.

Teach me!

- b

Um you just claim scum.
Then they lynch you. gg

andy don't go away

I want to close to you

really close

(>^.^)>?

[²]

Nacho:

[4] Svenskt Stål (Cabd, GuyInFreezer, TiphaineDeath, BeautyAndTheBeast)

Now I am going to revote because of the wifom shitstorm that sven has created.

vote sven

VS

Both of your roles?

VOTE: Sven

VS

no its not. you weither buy that i am a miller, a cop cant prove it, so you cant really confirm my claim. and you are not getting what i am saying, if town , for some reason, decides to correctly clear player x, player x should be killed by scum,,, even if towns reasoning is wrong.

Nothing else really worth replying to in your post.

There's the absolute that you're forcing us into. You're making this a dichotomy in

A). All of town reads Sven scum. Sven lynched.
B). All of town reads Sven town. Sven making it to endgame is scummy.

Why are you not considering maybe

C). Town have differing reads on Sven. Sven is not lynched nor is investigated at night.
^^^HELLO SCUM SUCCESS^^^


Also I find using meta to justify the likelihood of a miller fakeclaim frankly stupid.

Pretty much my thoughts as well. Forcing it into Black or White is really bad when Gray exists. I've also seen plenty of wolves claim miller and make it to a win in endgame, sooo...

VOTE: sven

I'll bet you that there is at least one scum in there.

- b

[²]

I've done it before its quite easy.

Teach me!

- b

Um you just claim scum.
Then they lynch you. gg

andy don't go away

I want to close to you

really close

(>^.^)>?

I tried that, and I didn't get lynched. I even tried it more that once. Do you not believe me? Nacho was in at least two of the games in which I claimed scum and wasn't lynched. In the first one of them he read me as town because of it. I think you have to do it more subtle for it to work

- b

[²]

fery half of the 2 hydra:

what was your gut reaction to andy's big long post?

It's huge.

It's a thing of townish beauty.


- f

[Varsoon]

How can we know whether we want to enact it if it's a secret?!

I'll reveal the details when you guys want to.
But I'm almost positive that I've found a way to discover any single player's alignment, but it'll likely only work once.
Of course, the player that we target has to actually go along with it, and if they refuse, I guess we can agree that they are scum.

varsoon please do not self hammer in this game if you are town & reach L-1. Thank you.

Don't worry, I only self-hammer in games where I can't stand more than half of the players/actions happening.
This game, however, is pretty neat.
Orc annoyed me for a bit, but now I've got him pegged, so it's k.


I like Andrius' re-entry. It's a breath of fresh air as far as reading goes, and gives pretty good insight to where Andrius is in the whole scheme of things. Town, that is.

Can we agree on a major scum-suspect for D1? We've got about 12 more days left, but I'd really like to come to a common consensus on who is on the most scum-lists.

[GuyInFreezer]

Welcome back Varsoon.

What made your read on orc suddenly change in #714?

[Cabd]

Varsoon, are you trolling or have you seriously discovered something that is a for sure alignment maker?

I seriously doubt you've somehow found something every other player ever has missed, but hey, i've been wrong before.

Too bad we can't use it on you, that would help me a lot.

[GuyInFreezer]

Varsoon never trolls.

[Cabd]

Varsoon never trolls.

In that case, why not use it on sven and clear all this miller WIFOM? Clears up a lot of interaction.

[BROseidon]

Here it goes:

Buldermar and I had a chance to talk about varsoon, too. He agrees with me that the overnight walls don't look scum-motivated.

What sort of motivation to you see?

Varsoon makes eggo look like the inferior waffle brand.

Is he the best brand of waffle of all the brands of waffle in this game?

TMTOF ETCWTF

TMTOLBTWNTOF. They May Take Our Lives But They Will Never Take Our Freedom. There guys, now you know how to remember his name. Or we can all agree to call him letters.

Yeah, just realized john_h61 has yet to show up. Heh. 1,000+ posts for him to catch up with.

Why post this? All it does is add noise.

I find day 1 high noise generators are likely scum because they are happy posting in the thread faking activity and not trying to figure out who scum is.

Which players do you consider to be high noise generators right now?

active 4

Nacho/Orc/2/… There are a lot of people who could be the fourth that you are thinking of, see as only 3 players have particularly high post counts.

BRO is skeptical town.

What do you mean by “skeptical” here? Am I skeptical of other players? Are you skeptical of my towniness? Your terminology is strange here, and I would like that clarified.

fferyllt: now a more active poster than some players.

Why do you keep popping in to say shit like this while not actually contributing anything real?

But I'm slowly leaning town on him again.

Because?

Ghostlin is town.

Why?

I had a feeling that ghostlin is town and after reading his scumgame I still think he's town.
He's waaaaaaaaayyyyyy too polite in his scumgame.

A reason for me to think Ghostlin is town. Cool.

Gen thoughts:

Mac is now rubbing me the right way. Good questions, solid content. Town read.

Like Sajin’s posting, particularly 1006. Also leaning town on him.

Cadb and Rach are both adding noise without really contributing much. Slight scumreads for both.

Would call Ghost scum, but GiF provided a town argument that I really like (unconscious language patterns are pretty strong indicators imo), and Andy also seems super convinced.

AJ’s responses have gotten a bit better, but he’s not doing anything to suggest town to me. Null.

I like TD’s logic, and am willing to promote him to null as well.

That should cover everything new. Still like my vote on Varsoon, even more so now that TD has posted.

Oh, and continuations from my last post:

In post 174, Cabd wrote:
No but actually, why the vote, just because he only posted a few times then went raido silent?

Indeed, why him specifically and not any of the other players who jumped in early and then disappeared.

Still would like an answer to this.

In post 573, RachMarie wrote:
GiF needs to post MORE

Why?

What do you think of GiF’s posting now?

[Aj The Epic]

Unvote

There was SOMETHING in that last ten pages that made me look back on TD a little differently. (Posts 962 and 970 of his, I believe).

We've got town here:

Bro, Andy, Sajin, GIF, Cabd, B&B, Nacho, Rach (In order of strength

Scum here:

TMT, Ghost, Mac (motive bad, reasoning good... light scum read), Metal sonic, dntfkingcare, possibly 2.

Mainly TMT is who's caught my eye recently. (Andrius convinced me that miller/tracker is PLAUSIBLE.) I wish this read (On TMT) was easy to explain, but it isn't. His question to post rating is really high and content to post is really low, even when he got relatively active. Reading his iso is like reading his posts for the first time, none of them were memorable. He's flying under the radar flak of Ghost and 2 (and maybe varsoon). His list of reads felt forced, mainly because 9 null reads, not including Jon (who hasn't posted. That's 9 of 18 (Minus two for him and jon) are null to him.

VOTE: TMT

Mac, after reading that, I might've probably mayhaps (definitely) fucked up on reading TD (although I still believe that my 52 was close, and definitely not a misrep). Therefore, there isn't much to argue on that post after re-reading the actual contexts.

[RachMarie]

Yeah feel good about Andy he can definitely stay in the town pile.

So far Town reads : Nacho, Andy, B n B. Orc,
leaning town include GiF Cabd

TMT how am I ignoring much of the game?

I am going to need to do some ISOs on some peeps cause so many pages and so much noise. Especially to get a feel for those who have not posted much

We have 20 players in this game anyone got any ideas how many scumz we might have cause I have no clue?