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[The Goat]

hello everyone.

i am pretty sure that if there is no one with 11 votes before deadline then majority will rule, meaning that the person with the most votes will be lynched.

Good job lynching mutley btw, yeah he really seems scummy.

sven you are a competent enough player and I'm sure you have played alot of games here where the etiquette is "you must reach the majority..."

so what in hell's name gave you this idea?

FWIW, your quoted Sven post freaked me the hell out as well.

The only valid explanation is that he preferred a no lynch over lynching Mutley.

[The Goat]

Don't get your hopes up with that Jebus vote, Mac. Just wait for that lurking sack of crap to get replaced by someone who will actually play the game.

so bad that the Day 1 lynch didn't go through...

No. Absolutely not. You do

not

get to lament the day ending in a no-lynch when you didn't even vote for anybody. You're part of the problem. Either start playing the game or replace out.

Yes it is a real question. Everyone is raving about how bad it is and I'm not sure about the full effects of it.

The only two deaths in the game thus far have been caused by Scum. Lynching other players is the only way for Town to assert some sort of control. I don't know about you, but I don't want to sit here and let the Scum players decide who lives and who dies. We have no chance of winning this game unless we lynch Scum. No-lynches must be avoided.

I can't wait for the time you see I'm not scum.

Never heard Scum say

that

before.

Vote: xMalcolmx

I'm putting the NL on him. Mutley was at 10 votes and almost certain to be hammered, until Malcolm unvoted to vote Goat, who had 2 votes on him at the time. So instead of it being mutley 10, Goat 2 with eight chances to hammer mutley, it was mutley 9, Goat 3 and then mutley, darthe, esquire, and peta all voted Goat when there was literally no chance of that lynch ever going through. They would have needed all four of Jebus, Arc, fuzzy, and Rated to join them, and that just wasn't going to happen in less than 24 hours.

Darn it, Desperado, you stole my thunder, you jerk.

That's pretty much exactly what I was going to say. We had Mutley at L-1, but then, for whatever asinine reason, Malcolm decides to start a counter-wagon on Goat less than 24 hours before the deadline

even though he had made it abundantly clear that he was going to kill Goat during the night.

Why on Earth would you start a counter-wagon on a player that you intended to kill yourself? And hey, would you look at that -- there was only one kill last night, and it was from the Heyman Mafia (CM Punk's flavor). Where is Malcolm's kill? Maybe it never existed because he's lying out his teeth.

VOTE: xMALCOLMx

Malcolm, I think you need to come clean. I have two questions for you:
1.) Are you a Vigilante?
2.) Did you try to kill Goat last night?

There is a third question, but it will depend on the answers you give to these two.

See...the only down side to all of this is that there's no baby oil and a singlet.

Anyway, Malcolm pretty much talked himself into a corner. Not sure what it was all about, but I'd like to hear more from him.

[ferretlover]

VOTE: xMALCOMx

Moar pressure, want answers.

[The Goat]

Okay.

This is a question that's been bouncing around in my head for a couple days. It just doesn't make sense to me.

I get the benefit of a NL to scum. I understand it.

What freaks me the hell out is...what is the benefit of a NL to scum...if Mutley ISN'T scum? And is Mutley IS scum...WHY THE HELL DID HE CAMPAIGN SO HARD FOR HIS OWN LYNCH?

Input would be appreciated. I'm gonna go get wine.

[Desperado]

And is Mutley IS scum...WHY THE HELL DID HE CAMPAIGN SO HARD FOR HIS OWN LYNCH?

Empty rhetoric. Mutleyscum had every opportunity to revote himself to L-1 and didn't do it. He had no problem being his own L-1 vote before Malcolm unvoted, so why the change of heart? Because it's bullshit.

[ferretlover]

Flips give the town info for the next day. No flip hurts the town.

In LyLo instead of, say, 2 town v. 1 scum, it would be 3 town v. 1 scum. 2v1 is MUCH better for the town than 3v1.

[The Goat]

And is Mutley IS scum...WHY THE HELL DID HE CAMPAIGN SO HARD FOR HIS OWN LYNCH?

Empty rhetoric.

Mutleyscum had every opportunity to revote himself to L-1 and didn't do it.

He had no problem being his own L-1 vote before Malcolm unvoted, so why the change of heart? Because it's bullshit.

I did not see this. If you could link, it would be appreciated. If no, I will look.

[The Goat]

Flips give the town info for the next day.

No flip hurts the town

.

In LyLo instead of, say, 2 town v. 1 scum, it would be 3 town v. 1 scum. 2v1 is MUCH better for the town than 3v1.

Agreed. This was not my question.

[The Goat]

And is Mutley IS scum...WHY THE HELL DID HE CAMPAIGN SO HARD FOR HIS OWN LYNCH?

Empty rhetoric.

Mutleyscum had every opportunity to revote himself to L-1 and didn't do it.

He had no problem being his own L-1 vote before Malcolm unvoted, so why the change of heart? Because it's bullshit.

I did not see this. If you could link, it would be appreciated. If no, I will look.

Never mind. I misread your post.

[Desperado]

Spoiler: Mutley's end of day posts

VOTE: mutleyddmc

Lets get a flip, ferret is scum though

How will more krab quotes help us??? Need more mutley or ferret votes

Whats my behaviour, mr monkey man?

ill do it then VOTE: mutley

Can you all kill ferret tomorrow please

Yer goat said he would vote me then did. So goat. also fuzzy. Darthe too.

follow the malc

VOTE: the goat

We can't have a no lynch so someone vote me and ill hammer or people like skull vote for goat quick. We need a flip to give us info

So mutley was originally the 8th vote on his wagon, then Malcolm and Nero voted him and he voted himself again. Then Malcolm voted Goat and mutley followed. 4 hours before the day ended mutley says he will hammer if someone else votes, which is the position he carried into today here:

I said I would hammer myself. However I also like to play and live so surely putting my vote on goat until I had to was the best option.

Which does not jive with his behavior yesterday. He's scum.

[The Goat]

Spoiler: Mutley's end of day posts

VOTE: mutleyddmc

Lets get a flip, ferret is scum though

How will more krab quotes help us??? Need more mutley or ferret votes

Whats my behaviour, mr monkey man?

ill do it then VOTE: mutley

Can you all kill ferret tomorrow please

Yer goat said he would vote me then did. So goat. also fuzzy. Darthe too.

follow the malc

VOTE: the goat

We can't have a no lynch so someone vote me and ill hammer or people like skull vote for goat quick. We need a flip to give us info

So mutley was originally the 8th vote on his wagon, then Malcolm and Nero voted him and he voted himself again. Then Malcolm voted Goat and mutley followed. 4 hours before the day ended mutley says he will hammer if someone else votes, which is the position he carried into today here:

I said I would hammer myself. However I also like to play and live so surely putting my vote on goat until I had to was the best option.

Which does not jive with his behavior yesterday. He's scum.

I will agree with one thing that Mutley said:

His flip will tell us a LOT. If Mutley *IS* scum, I'll bet vital parts of my anatomy that Sven is, too.

[The Goat]

(*disclaimer: I consider my toenails to be vital.)

[Darthe]

That is a good case against mutley.

[Nero Cain]

And where did I blame Malcolm for their votes? I said he created a situation in which they could vote Goat without mutley being at L-1 and thus avoiding having to answer for not hammering him. What was the town motivation for Malcolm's switch?

"He created a situation" Rubbish. Darthe, TheEsquire, petapan, Jebus, ArcAngel9, Fuzzyman are responsible for their own actions. Its not like Malcolm held a gun to their heads and forced them to not vote Mut. + this is looking like a chain lynching scheme.

no but sven is pretty competent and those rules are effectively sitewide..

?????????????????????

is not like all games are majority but most are yes.

You're going to have to explain this some more after clipping my explanation for why Malcolm deserves more blame and then asking me why Malcolm deserves more blame and misrepping something else I said.

I didn't clip anything.

Vote: xMalcolmx

I'm putting the NL on him.

Why are they more to blame then Esq, Darthe, Peta?

I also think its lame and scummy for you to blame Malcolm for the votes on Goat from the above 3.

*suspicious look*

You're not scummy after all, are you?

Nero, what is YOUR read on Malcolm? I think he's scummy as hell, and his read on me has nothing to do with that.

Why would my asking despo a question be scummy? I just really really don't see it that way. The previous stated 6 were all responsible for their own votes.

Malcolm doesn't seem particularly scummy to me but I'm not very good at reading Nacho or Kise so meh. What are they "scummy as hell" for?

[Nero Cain]

We'll also be lynching three players today so lets keep that in mind.

[Desperado]

You didn't clip anything? You quoted my post, wherein I tell you why I think Malcolm is more to blame for the NL, and then eliminate that part from the quote and...ask me why I think Malcolm is more to blame for the NL. What do you call what you did?

"He created a situation" Rubbish. Darthe, TheEsquire, petapan, Jebus, ArcAngel9, Fuzzyman are responsible for their own actions. Its not like Malcolm held a gun to their heads and forced them to not vote Mut.

+ this is looking like a chain lynching scheme.

Just so we're clear, you're disputing that Malcolm unvoting opened the door for other players to not vote mutley without garnering suspicion? How do you interpret what happened yesterday, then?

And the bolded is straight up rubbish, as you say. You're reading me as scum for having more than one scumread, essentially. And if that's not what you're implying when you say that, then be more specific.

[Nero Cain]

You didn't clip anything? You quoted my post, wherein I tell you why I think Malcolm is more to blame for the NL, and then eliminate that part from the quote and...ask me why I think Malcolm is more to blame for the NL. What do you call what you did?

quoting the relevant portion of your post. You were blaming him. Your "explanation" was just a bunch of bull 'cause there's just no way that Malcolm is responsible for their actions.

"He created a situation" Rubbish. Darthe, TheEsquire, petapan, Jebus, ArcAngel9, Fuzzyman are responsible for their own actions. Its not like Malcolm held a gun to their heads and forced them to not vote Mut.

+ this is looking like a chain lynching scheme.

Just so we're clear, you're disputing that Malcolm unvoting opened the door for other players to not vote mutley without garnering suspicion? How do you interpret what happened yesterday, then?

And the bolded is straight up rubbish, as you say. You're reading me as scum for having more than one scumread, essentially. And if that's not what you're implying when you say that, then be more specific.

opening the door? Are you a bullshit peddler? There's no way that Malcolm forced those players to vote for Goat and I honestly think its fucking retarded that you, Skull and Mac? think that he did.

Its like my interpretation, bro. When you say "I want to lynch from these eight" how am I supposed to know that this isn't scum pushing lineing up lynches?

[Desperado]

quoting the relevant portion of your post. You were blaming him. Your "explanation" was just a bunch of bull 'cause there's just no way that Malcolm is responsible for their actions.

Why did you ask me why I was blaming Malcolm more if you already knew what I would say and didn't like it?

And I was saying I will likely lynch in those 8

today

.

[Desperado]

And you're honestly just not understanding what I'm saying if you think that I am saying that Malcolm "forced" them to vote.

Please reread what I have said and tell if that is still what you think I'm saying. If it is, I will try to rephrase. But you are putting words in my mouth right now.

[Nexus]

Votecount 2.1:

xMALCOLMx (4)-

Desperado, MonkeyMan576, Skullduggery, ferretlover

Fuzzyman (1)-

Mac

Desperado (1)-

Nero Cain

Not voting (13)-

Jebus, Darthe, ArcAngel9, penguin_alien, xMALCOLMx, Mutleyddmc, Ravenpaw, Amethyst Actor, Fuzzyman, petapan, TheEsquire, The Goat, Svenskt Stål

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Day 2 will end at 8PM BST on Wednesday 5th June 2013.

[Nero Cain]

quoting the relevant portion of your post. You were blaming him. Your "explanation" was just a bunch of bull 'cause there's just no way that Malcolm is responsible for their actions.

Why did you ask me why I was blaming Malcolm more if you already knew what I would say and didn't like it?

Just to see what you'd say. But I feel like you still haven't explained why Malcolm should be held responsible for the votes of other players. I just...idk...I can't see that.

[Nero Cain]

And you're honestly just not understanding what I'm saying if you think that I am saying that Malcolm "forced" them to vote.

Please reread what I have said and tell if that is still what you think I'm saying. If it is, I will try to rephrase. But you are putting words in my mouth right now.

But Malcolm should die first because he's the one who

gave everyone an opportunity

to vote Goat without having to explain why they didn't hammer mutley.

looks a lot like to me for blaming him.

[Desperado]

You keep switching the words around. Yes, I'm blaming him--for creating a situation in which it would be OK to vote Goat without having to explain today why they did so when they had the option to hammer Mutley. But you just said I was accusing him of "forcing" them to vote goat, when I didn't say that.

You seem to think that my argument is something akin to "Malcolm is scum because he unvoted and got everyone to vote Goat" when in reality it is "by unvoting Mutley and taking him of L-1, Malcolm made it acceptable for other players to vote Goat over Malcolm without having the burden of explaining why they deliberately allowed a NL to occur." Do you not see the difference?

[Desperado]

The bottomline is this: what was the town motivation for switching from mutley to goat when Malcolm had made it abundantly clear that he didn't care which one died, because he thought they were both scum?

If you can answer that question I might entertain your skepticism, but I doubt that you can, because I thought about that very question for a long time and came up empty.

[Skullduggery]

I didn't say he knew why he didn't want to lynch Mutley, just that his position of "I'm not voting mutley" was pretty clear. I don't see a lot of flip-flopping in those quotes...I don't agree with his conclusions but basically all of them are some variation of "krab/mutley is town."

No, Sven had that slot as Town at the very beginning of the game, but after that, he makes it pretty clear that he doesn't have a Town read on that slot but he still doesn't want to lynch it regardless. He gives us a million and one excuses to explain his hesitation to vote for that slot. You view that as indecisive Town, but I'm more inclined to interpret it as Scum who can't keep his story straight.

I think the biggest noggin-scratcher in that wall of quotes I posted is his drastic change in opinion from post 1527 to 1695. He goes from saying that Mutley is "a good vote" to flat-out refusing to vote for that good vote. I mean, really?

And, of course, I have to bring up his "Oh, I didn't know we needed a majority to lynch" nonsense. There is no way he is that stupid. He had to have known that a majority was needed to lynch and he just said that to cover his butt for when the no-lynch occurred. (Sven, if you're Scum, then I apologize for calling you an idiot before.) Needless to say, my Town read on Sven has severely diminished.

Beyond Malcolm, who else are you looking at today?

Aside from Malcolm, I'd say that Sven, Mutley, and Goat are my top suspects at the moment. ArcAngel and Fuzzyman need some scrutiny too. So many scummy people, so little time.

The only valid explanation is that he preferred a no lynch over lynching Mutley.

Do you suspect Sven of being Scum as well? If not, how would that explanation be valid?

What freaks me the hell out is...what is the benefit of a NL to scum...if Mutley ISN'T scum?

They get to keep Mutley around for at least another day so we can spend two days lynching him instead of one. If Mutley is Town, there is no way in hell that Scum is killing him because he makes such good mislynch bait.

And if Mutley IS scum...WHY THE HELL DID HE CAMPAIGN SO HARD FOR HIS OWN LYNCH?

The fact that he didn't get lynched yesterday should give you the answer you're looking for.

We'll also be lynching three players today so lets keep that in mind.

What?