Micro 179 - Mainstream Mini Mafia III [CULT WIN AGAIN]

[ArcAngel9]

Or you could just leave, lurking, avoiding questions. That's cool too.

Lol, you don't have patience don't you. ?

[Candillan]

Sigh
I just finished reading Mind Screw Mafia and now I'm paranoid about a Death Note role :/
That's unlikely though, so I do like the mass claim.

[Who]

What is a Death Note role?

[Who]

That is very one sided setup process which is why chk must have added the Governor thingy to the game... But not sure how beneficial this is going to be becuz, there is always a 20% possibility that we might end up handing over the governor ability to Cult Leader itself.

What happens if Cult Leader gets the Governer power?
Nothing. He/She can't use it on them unless if there was no lynch on Day1, and it can be used to save his/her follower

but how beneficial this Governer power?
Again, it doesn't really make much difference to town unless Cult Leader jumps for a quick vote. Remember that this only stop a lynch. I really doubt Cult Leader would be stupid enough to jump out himselves and behave in that way.

If the Cult Leader is the governor, then they can jump for a quick vote. That is the issue here.

[Candillan]

It's a role that kills people by naming their role.
It's an anti-massclaim role.

[Doc Holliday]

@Angel: A few things to respond to. First, I've been extremely open and above-board about the fact that I'm not scumhunting, I'm Town-hunting. From where I stand, scum is between you and Who, as TIP, Candillan and I are all Town. Your chiding me against scumhunting is baseless and suggests you aren't actually reading the game with a critical eye. That doesn't bode we'll for your Town credit. Second, I have played repeatedly with Chkflip before, not on this account. Third, though I was not a part of the other Mainstream games, my role is entirely new to me. Upon doing my due diligence, it appears the role I have was created quite recently, only showing up for the first time in the last year or so, while I was away from the site. That said, my point remains in force. Chk has a track record for far-flung and obscure roles, which is effectively the same as unique roles. Massclaim only works the way you suggest within Open or Normal games, with a narrow list of possibilities. Finally, I have significant experience, and am quite familiar with Cult rules. A Cult leader would eliminate a role designed to threaten them (I.e. Psychologist) by simply recruiting them to his or her cause. Massclaim works ONLY to the CL's advantage right now.

Two further things.

First, I demand I Angel that she defend her assertion that Massclaim at this point is the right move. How would it benefit Town in this unique situation? You have been challenge on this already, and failed to respond, instead inverting and redirecting the question to me. Preview edit (started writing this before dinner) your logic is terrible. It adds up to "Let's see what happens" and ignores the very real dangers of massclaiming.

Second, I'm done with Who evading and softclaiming. His is the ONLY claim I want, and I want it now. If we can get a confirmed Town, we need it. If something must be done to confirm it, we need to see it happen. If this is a scum bluff, I will not tolerate you to coast on assumed innocence while we tear at one another. Out with it.

[Who]

Anyone else opposed to me claiming? I will be able to confirm it tomorrow before the lynch, if I cannot, you can lynch me then.

[Who]

EBWODP: Meant anyone opposed, not anyone else opposed.

[Candillan]

OH WAIT
HOLY BALLS
HE CHOOSES NOT COMMONLY USED ROLES BECAUSE THEY'RE MAINSTREAM

I'm so slow. *sigh*

pedit:
Who I dunno if you should go first, as you've claimed that you're confirmable.

I still support a massclaim.

[Who]

I'll wait until the controversy over whether or not we will mass-claim is resolved before claiming then.

[Candillan]

Yeah. I personally doubt that you're lying about this, but it can't hurt, I don't think.

[TheIrishPope]

In either case, we'd lynch you if you're lying, right?

[Who]

Yes.

[TheIrishPope]

Sounds good to me.
I have a major beef with Angel.

[Candillan]

...Major beef?
What about?

[TheIrishPope]

Oh right, about this mass claim: I don't get why it would be good, since this is closed setup. Everyone could just pull names out of a hat or from the Great Idea Mafia page.

Let me do this one more time... I ll do the way that i tutor my math students...

Although this is a closed game but the setup is not NORMAL, it is CULT and this is just a 5P game.
Which means.... 1 Cult Leader VS 4 Town aligned players (In my opinon, this is just a horrible setup to play. Total Butt hurt)
Town can only win this game if they successfully nail down Cult Leader on Day 1 , the possibility of nailing down the Cult Leader on Day 1 is again 20% only which means Cult Leader has 80% advantage to push for a mislynch.

That is very one sided setup process which is why chk must have added the Governor thingy to the game... But not sure how beneficial this is going to be becuz, there is always a 20% possibility that we might end up handing over the governor ability to Cult Leader itself.

What happens if Cult Leader gets the Governer power?
Nothing. He/She can't use it on them unless if there was no lynch on Day1, and it can be used to save his/her follower

but how beneficial this Governer power?
Again, it doesn't really make much difference to town unless Cult Leader jumps for a quick vote. Remember that this only stop a lynch. I really doubt Cult Leader would be stupid enough to jump out himselves and behave in that way.

so what can we do now?
Cult Hunt? and Nail cult?
No, We are not going to assume and nail down someone becuz they behaved cultish way, becuz 1 mislynch + night recruit equals Game lost.

What helps in this situation?
knowing who is nearly confirmed town, especially players like "Who" who soft claimed that his role may be verifiable. This way we would know that he is confirmed town and thus chances of nailing down the Cult on Day 1 increases...

What more can we do?
Mass claim, Mass claim out all given town roles.. town claims what they received in their role PM's, Cult fakes... We look the setup balance and nails down cult leader.

What if we can't nail down cult leader even after the mass claim?
Fine, Then we will have to evaluate our night actions carefullly to see if we can somehow stop cult leader being recruited someone. there is a good possiblity of very powerful PR's in this game otherwise this whole setup is nothing but CULT sided.

Now talk more please...

ISO 17, ok? Angel just repeated herself and did not react, answer, or respond to my accusation of this massclaim being worthless.
And she just said the setup is not normal... How can she assure there is 1 CL against 4 townies?

[Who]

The mod said it somewhere.

[TheIrishPope]

Fine, that point is forgiven, But she still disregarded my statement.

[Doc Holliday]

No, Who needs to claim. Softclaims are very bad Town play, and if he's scum, we cannot afford to let him simply coast by on the assumed innocence you're giving him. If his role is actually confirmable, then let's have it and be done. 1 out of 3 is much better than 1 out of 4

[Who]

Nobody is disagreeing. I will claim. The only question is about whether or not to mass-claim.
After thinking about it, I think mass-claiming is a good idea. Our best chance of winning lies in not getting to night one.

[TheIrishPope]

How convenient that you changed your mind about mass-claiming when someone urged you to claim now.
For the non-sarcastic eye: You changed your opinion because someone wants something for you.
I believe the proper phrase is "Die scum die"

[Who]

And if I am scum and cannot back up my claim, then you can lynch me and nothing in this game matters anymore.

[ArcAngel9]

calm down people..
we have time..so lets take this slow..
Doc, you and me have lot to talk ...
i said enough about mass claim. what do kind plan that you have that will ascertain possible. your denial is very suspicious. its like you're not even trying to understand. But that's not how i am trying to look today becuz there is no room for town to make any sort of errors and can get away with it.. my point is why do you don't want to have mass claim is a question?

And remember, finding right governor doesn't help win this game..you need to find CL.
and Mr TIP, i do see your point. At this moment i am tending to believe that it is only one CL and 4 town aligned players due to the size of the game. there won't be two cult leaders even in a 9p game. If chk had two anti town parties got involved into this game.. then it would perhpas be a wolf. So incase cult try to recruit wolf, he dies.. then it will be wolf VS town.. there could be numerous variations that i could give you but it will be too confusing right now. our best shot is "Mass claim" which will help in many ways.. I am not understanding why someone of you are against mass claim in a game like this... and DOC, you gotta stop being a stuborn. seriously. if you're town, let me tell you that youre being very anti-town. and if you're cult, i would say..not doing so bad for yourself but will get you for sure.

Candilian, don't worry about death note role. its not going to be in this game. if it is..i will shoot chk... i mean it.

[Who]

If it helps I can assure everyone the only scum in 179 is the Cult Leader, so you can win D1 if you're good/if the CL sucks.

And there's a surprise D0 voting shenanigan!

[ArcAngel9]

What was i talking about again?