Open 493 - Jungle Republic. (Game Over - Werewolf Victory)

[Syryana]

@Mod: Requesting a prod on Thenewearth

Also requesting a hammer on Princess Scum.

[Bacde]

I'm thinkin about the hammer

when am I gonna do it?

when am I gonna do it?

I'm thinkin' about the hammer

when am I gonna do it?

when am I gonna do it?

[Syryana]

Knowing you, you'd probably wait until 5 minutes before the lynch

Then you'd fall asleep

And we'd no lynch

[Princess Proton]

1. Who said that and where? I don't see it.

The first thing she does when she replaces in is say that she is town. This seems forced and overdone

I call out that logic that in post 1177.

2. Not the "you got caught trying to fake towncred" argument?

No. Because that's silly. Town can actually look for legitimate "towncred" when their slot is being mislynched so that's a non issue.

3. There are two ways of looking at this, both of which imply scumminess:
A. You came in and voted for the top wagon. This is a fairly common move for Scum because it can be well justified. Deadline was not that soon, and if you were Town I would have expected you to try to make the most informed decision possible, questioning and reading as much as you were able before voting.
B. You came in and voted for your partner. (This way assumes that you are Mafia which I personally would disagree with.) (It has been argued half to death by Bacde and I think Egg, so I'll leave it at that for now.)

That's a false dilemma. There's actually a 3rd way of looking at it, which is not presented here and happens to be the situation. It goes like this.
C.

I lynched him thinking he was the other werewolf. My goal was to take out one killing faction if at all possible. He was anti-Town so it didn't really matter to me as Town.

4. on the offchance you are Town you may want to look into the matter yourself.

I have. There isn't a case. That's why I asked for one.

Evidence that no one is actually interested in hearing me defend my slot or present an actual case?

Also requesting a hammer on Princess Scum.

I'm thinkin about the hammer

when am I gonna do it?

Hillarious banter and all, but not actually contributing anything of substance or attempting to resolve the Autti/PP slot. So your high horse sermon about how all I had to do was come in here and be obvtown is frankly nonsense and completely unrealistic given the actual game state. If Syryana or Bacde, for example, were interested in resolving the game rather than tunneling on this slot, they would be providing evidence as requested numerous times. And no, I'm not going to defend "gut." "Gut" isn't a case.

[Bacde]

Knowing you, you'd probably wait until 5 minutes before the lynch

Then you'd fall asleep

And we'd no lynch

I don't remember frustrating you this game?

not saying this isn't true, but this was a surprising response

[Syryana]

Knowing you, you'd probably wait until 5 minutes before the lynch

Then you'd fall asleep

And we'd no lynch

I don't remember frustrating you this game?

not saying this isn't true, but this was a surprising response

You haven't been frustrating me

I'm just teasing you

[Syryana]

Fml, double posting

@Mod, delete the double?

[goodmorning]

1. Who said that and where? I don't see it.

The first thing she does when she replaces in is say that she is town. This seems forced and overdone

I call out that logic that in post 1177.

Alright. You kind of misrepresented his argument a bit, but I can see where you'd get that.
Personally I'd disagree with that particular argument of his because I've personally said "I'm Town" replacing in as Town (though I kinda had a reason for that based on history with another player), but there are many better ones.

2. Not the "you got caught trying to fake towncred" argument?

No. Because that's silly. Town can actually look for legitimate "towncred" when their slot is being mislynched so that's a non issue.

Which is where the word "fake" comes in. I've seen people bring up shit they've done as Town saying "look how town this is" (though it's useless anyway because hello, actions speak louder than words) but this isn't that. This is you going "oopsies, I don't have any idea what the setup is" even though you knew there were 2 factions and had read klick's ISO in which was plainly stated the precise roles and their precise powers.

There's actually a 3rd way of looking at it, which is not presented here and happens to be the situation. It goes like this.
C.

I lynched him thinking he was the other werewolf. My goal was to take out one killing faction if at all possible. He was anti-Town so it didn't really matter to me as Town.

Side note: Oddly enough this is one of the relevant quotes to my argument above.
How did you find a chance in hell of him being Wolf? Everyone who found him scummy seemed to universally agree that he was likely Mafia.
Either way, that pretty much looks like it falls under option A: you came in and jumped on the biggest bandwagon.
Therefore, I don't find your option C to be a valid addition to the dilemma.

4. on the offchance you are Town you may want to look into the matter yourself.

I have. There isn't a case. That's why I asked for one.

And then you ignored it when people tried to answer you, fixing only on the weaker points and ignoring the strong.

Hillarious banter and all, but not actually contributing anything of substance or attempting to resolve the Autti/PP slot. So your high horse sermon about how all I had to do was come in here and be obvtown is frankly nonsense and completely unrealistic given the actual game state. If Syryana or Bacde, for example, were interested in resolving the game rather than tunneling on this slot, they would be providing evidence as requested numerous times.

Why do you expect them to try to resolve your slot? They've resolved that you're Scum. I tend to agree though I am willing to hear you out.
On the contrary, it's incredibly realistic. I'm just not sure whether you have the ego for it. (When you came in, what I saw first and foremost was a player who's not that comfortable with pressure and will downplay it and pretend it doesn't exist as much as possible.)
As for Bacde, I think he's provided ample reasoning that for the most part has yet to be responded to.

[Bacde]

Knowing you, you'd probably wait until 5 minutes before the lynch

Then you'd fall asleep

And we'd no lynch

I don't remember frustrating you this game?

not saying this isn't true, but this was a surprising response

You haven't been frustrating me

I'm just teasing you

lol ok

[zabriel]

TNE has been prodded.

[Bacde]

I'm beginning to think TNE might be scum

I'm having trouble thinking that town-TNE wouldn't be more excited about the game

(I'm not getting cold feet about hammering, I just still want to discuss things)

[Bulbazak]

Bulb, are you saying mafia with no NK and 1 member is a bigger threat than wolf with a NK? Why would I NOT focus on wolf today? It doesn't make sense.

No, I agree that we should go for the wolf if at all possible. What I'm saying is that you're too overly focused on either using the NK or talking about why the wolf did such and such. You're emphasizing the wolf's NK motives, almost as if you are describing yourself via third person. You are agreeing that we have to find the wolf, because it's evident that we have to, but everything else you say concerning the NK says the opposite. I think you are the wolf and are going through the motions to appear town.

1. Who said that and where? I don't see it.

The first thing she does when she replaces in is say that she is town. This seems forced and overdone

I call out that logic that in post 1177.

Alright. You kind of misrepresented his argument a bit, but I can see where you'd get that.
Personally I'd disagree with that particular argument of his because I've personally said "I'm Town" replacing in as Town (though I kinda had a reason for that based on history with another player), but there are many better ones.

To be honest, I'm suspicious of anyone who overemphasizes their towniness. So it wasn't strictly a replacing in thing.

I'm not getting cold feet about hammering, I just still want to discuss things

What do you want to discuss?

[Syryana]

I'm beginning to think TNE might be scum

I'm having trouble thinking that town-TNE wouldn't be more excited about the game

(I'm not getting cold feet about hammering, I just still want to discuss things)

Bacde, scum is in {Princess, TNE, Bulbazak}

Whichever of {TNE, Bulba} we go after tomorrow will largely hinge on Princess' flip. I'm currently thinking TNE if she flips maf, Bulb if she flips WW, largely because I'm having serious trouble seeing wolf-Bulb.

[thenewearth]

@Mod: Sorry to do this but requesting replacement

College and shiz like that

[Princess Proton]

I'm currently thinking TNE if she flips maf, Bulb if she flips WW

I asked this before but humor me, what happens WHEN I flip VT?

[Syryana]

I'm currently thinking TNE if she flips maf, Bulb if she flips WW

I asked this before but humor me, what happens WHEN I flip VT?

Approximately this (pretend the guy in the corner is Bacde):

[Princess Proton]

Again. Funny. And yet, you haven't answered the question nor have you presented a case not based on gut or wifom. What's a girl to do?

[Egg]

Bulb, so you think I'm after town points? Because if that's the case, I don't really have a way to defend that. If you think my town play and wolf play would look the same, I really can't even disagree.

Syryana, who is scum if princess flips town? (Funny thing is I wrote that before I read princess ask it but it still applies because you didn't answer) *sigh*

Sucks when a lynch on town is pretty much inevitible.

[Bulbazak]

Sucks when a lynch on town is pretty much inevitible.

So you believe Princess to be town now?

[Syryana]

Syryana, who is scum if princess flips town? (Funny thing is I wrote that before I read princess ask it but it still applies because you didn't answer) *sigh*

Bulb/TNE.

[Egg]

Sucks when a lynch on town is pretty much inevitible.

So you believe Princess to be town now?

Thought that was obvious after the bet offer and after she said she's playing for future meta rather than to win although without the first, the second could actually be scum who knows they can't win.

The bet though. One of the reasons it's banned is because it's such a strong tell from an outside influence.

Most people are too worried about the way they are percieved to make a bet and not follow through. Most people won't give away financial information to people they don't know over the internet. Therefore, more times than not, a bet offer comes from someone who knows they will win the bet. So chances are princess was telling the truth and is not a wolf.

Could she be mafia? Theoretically, yes. But even before the bet offer, I had princessmafia as unlikely. And even if she is mafia, she's not today's lynch because she's not wolf.

So yeah. Basically, I'm pretty convinced she's town and won't be voting her.

[Bulbazak]

And even if she is mafia, she's not today's lynch because she's not wolf.

Then who is?

[Bacde]

^^answer plz

[Egg]

Look where my vote is

[Bulbazak]

Except you were convinced at one point that Princess was the wolf, yet never voted for her. In fact, your vote never left me. It doesn't track. If you thought that Princess was the wolf at one time, and you are, in fact, hunting for the wolf, you would have voted for her. Yet you didn't. Why not?