Xenoblade Mafia (Game Over)

[Cabd]

Jon, reads/thoughts so far? Vote? Anything?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Okay so I'm about to go to sleep but 2 is really worrying me I'm reading them as town as Cabd and BRO and I feel like they should be higher if they were actually town

But anyways

Can more people talk about the Aj wagon I think we're like /this/ close to agreeing on something

[Cabd]

Orc, I'm sure you already posted it, can you link to the case on AJ or just tldr it? I don't really remember it, sorry.

[²]

But in the same case, scum-svenskt wouldn't be happy for some of us calling him out for lurkin'.

True, but lurking is pretty easy to fix.

- f

[RachMarie]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=23096 Here is one Agar asked to replace out and I replaced in I was the Mafia PR (Sleep Therapist), and then later Nacho replaced in and hard bussed me lol, then went on to win the game for us.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=23096 Here is one Agar asked to replace out and I replaced in I was the Mafia PR (Sleep Therapist), and then later Nacho replaced in and hard bussed me lol, then went on to win the game for us.

Rach, if they weren't inactivity boots then I'd like to see them

AGar was an inactivity boot

You can tell because his last post was "proddodge posting tomorrow"

[²]

Somebody explain to me how the hell replacing out is a town tell, I REALLY don't see it.

It's not automatically a town tell IMO.

It has to do with svenskt's meta, which I see orcinus points out isn't an exact match to the borkgame and that's true but there's more to meta than perfect parallels. meta informs me about the range of behaviors to expect from someone in various situations. I said "all but" because I wouldn't bet the farm on this, but I do feel pretty good about him being town, as opposed to what I had before, which could be summarized as yeah, think so...I want to give it another day.

- f

[RachMarie]

yeah but when prodded he asked for a replacement most dont do that they just dont respond to the prod


Will keep looking

Pedit fery you know Sven best would he rage quit over not liking his role pm and us not paying attention to him?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

cabd: I'll talk to you about Aj tomorrow but basically I'm sheeping his hydra buddy nacho

The Aj case was posted by either nacho or mollie one of the two I forget

I am SO tired

[²]

yeah but when prodded he asked for a replacement most dont do that they just dont respond to the prod


Will keep looking

Pedit fery you know Sven best would he rage quit over not liking his role pm and us not paying attention to him?

It doesn't really look like a rage quit to me. But, I think being town and in a role/position that can make it hard to shoulder his way to leadership would take a lot of his interest in the game away. The challenges that scum face are different, and I think this game would still hold a lot of interest for scum-svenskt.

- f

[Cabd]

cabd: I'll talk to you about Aj tomorrow but basically I'm sheeping his hydra buddy nacho

The Aj case was posted by either nacho or mollie one of the two I forget

I am SO tired

Okay I'll go looking at them then. I just don't seem to recall it.

[jon_h61]

Jon, reads/thoughts so far? Vote? Anything?

Well, I'm in the middle of the ffery and mollie discussion ATM, so no, no vote right now. I don't want to vote based on old news.

[²]

I did some meta research on AJ yesterday, kinda prompted by Nacho. It looks like so far in this game he's pretty low volume compared to other games, but that could be due to the overall high volume of post in the game thread diluting his usual day 1 contribution.

His posts in the games I scanned looked strong - analytical, relevant to the lay of the game, engaged and interacting. that was strongly true as town, and not quite as strong as scum. He played a scary game as a 3rd party arsonist and won it at endgame. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=27065

I didn't find a smoking gun, which was a disappointment, but I don't know quite what I'm looking for this time.

- f

[²]

cabd: I'll talk to you about Aj tomorrow but basically

I'm sheeping his hydra buddy nacho

The Aj case was posted by either nacho or mollie one of the two I forget

I am SO tired

This is where I am leaning. Want to see if buldermar agrees.

- f

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Okay so I'm about to go to sleep but 2 is really worrying me I'm reading them as town as Cabd and BRO and I feel like they should be higher if they were actually town

But anyways

Can more people talk about the Aj wagon I think we're like /this/ close to agreeing on something

nono orc

we are most definitely lynching the 2 hydra today

[²]

Okay so I'm about to go to sleep but 2 is really worrying me I'm reading them as town as Cabd and BRO and I feel like they should be higher if they were actually town

But anyways

Can more people talk about the Aj wagon I think we're like /this/ close to agreeing on something

nono orc

we are most definitely lynching the 2 hydra today

lol. you are so damn predictable.

- f

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Your vote is on TD

[RachMarie]

B n B

Why do you want to lynch Squared hydra? Especially as Orc pointed out your vote is not on them?

[Ghostlin]

AJ:

Is TD still scum to you? You explain that Andrius explained on how Miller/Tracker might be town (which explains your switch on Sven to a null) but between your last reads post and the reads post before that, you don't mention TD at all or any rationale why TD would be a null. It's like he's fallen completely off your scum list with no rhyme or reason.

[Ghostlin]

^

Orc:

I have AJ as null---ish, but this inconsistency stuck out. I want to hear the response to this first.

[Ghostlin]

Hey guys! While we're talking about wagons:

In case I wasn't clear enough, I'm asking player-wise.
You know. Like "who did what so he's suspicious." Kind of stuff.

Ok. Let's go.

²: If it's ok, I'm going to read ² as one person and not two separate people. Same goes for Beast.

² is scum

to me because he reads TD as scum with little to no base and seems to be ignoring TD's more towny posts.
Aj The Epic:

Null-Scum

. I perceive AtE in #945 but that's pretty much it.
Andrius: Null, lack of posts.
BeautyAndTheBeast: Town. Reading well and catching things and no scumreads as of yet.
BROseidon: No reads as of yet.
Cabd:

Null-Scum

, mainly for not specifying reads in #931.
dntfkingcare: Null, lack of posts.
Ghostlin: After an ISO after Varsoon's read,

scummy

.
GuyInFreezer: Town. No scumreads. I like you asking questions.
jon_h61: no posts.
Mac: Town for the most part, but look at his #811, #821, and #831. Detailed analysis AJ is scummy, waits for nacho to vote, then says he's "considering" voting as well?!?!?
Metal Sonic: Null (no posts)
orcinus_theoriginal: Town. No scumreads, and acts and reads town.
RachMarie: Agree with Mac's #1010. Seems to be ignoring large portions of the game.
Sajin: Null.
Svenskt Stål: Active lurking, seemingly. Active early on but quieter now.

Lingering scumreads

from the claim and such.
Nachomamma8: Null. Towny early in game, but I feel a little less so about that.
TiphaineDeath: Town, scummy early in game, but did a 180
TMTOLBTWNTOF: No comment
Varsoon: Null, I'm finding it hard to read him.

P EDIT

Gif- I did not "disappear," I was reading all 42 pages and typing this read post the whole goddamn time.

Votecount 1.9

[3] Aj The Epic (Nachomamma8, Mac, orcinus_theoriginal)
[3] Ghostlin (Svenskt Stål, TiphaineDeath, Varsoon)
[3] Varsoon (Sajin, BROseidon, Cabd)
[2] TMTOLBTWNTOF (Ghostlin, Aj The Epic)
[1] ² (Andrius)
[1] BeautyAndTheBeast (Metal Sonic)
[1] TiphaineDeath (BeautyAndTheBeast)

[6] Not Voting (dntfkingcare, jon_h61, RachMarie,

TMTOLBTWNTOF

, ², GuyInFreezer)

With 20 alive, it is 11 to lynch.

Let me know if you see any problems.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-06-04 10:00:00)

WHY AREN'T WE FUCKING LYNCHING TMTOLBTWNTOF WITH FIRE OUT OF THE TOWN?????

[Aj The Epic]

AJ: Is TD still scum to you? You explain that Andrius explained on how Miller/Tracker might be town (which explains your switch on Sven to a null) but between your last reads post and the reads post before that, you don't mention TD at all or any rationale why TD would be a null. It's like he's fallen completely off your scum list with no rhyme or reason.

I stated that TD had some posts that made me think twice about his lynch. And that Mac basically shot down my case on TD because I failed to use the correct context. So I'm basically sitting on re-developing a TD read.

[GuyInFreezer]

How about reads on other ppl?

[Aj The Epic]

Me? I listed them here:

We've got town here:

Bro, Andy, Sajin, GIF, Cabd, B&B, Nacho, Rach (In order of strength

Scum here:

TMT, Ghost, Mac (motive bad, reasoning good... light scum read), Metal sonic, dntfkingcare, possibly 2.

[Varsoon]

You guys figure out if AJ is scum, I have to go swimming.
As of now, I'm not entirely convinced.