Micro 161: No-Newbie Newbie (over)

[N]

Vote Count 2.03

RedCoyote

( 0 )

²

( 0 )

A_Stone

( 2 ) ² , RedCoyote

Mac

( 0 )

Mr E Roll

( 1 ) goodmorning

goodmorning

( 2 ) EspeciallyTheLies , Mr E Roll

EspeciallyTheLies

( 0 )

Not voting:

A_Stone , Mac

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2013-06-01 04:09:45)

[A_Stone]

If I feel they're genuine then I don't believe they're lying, and since I don't know who the town are then I feel that how truthful they are is a good gauge, and I haven't seen many slips from them.

Yeah, you're pretty much correct.

Although I have a weaker scumread on ETL,

Can you explain what you meant in your 540 which was in response to buldermar's post 539? Because I see an implicit assumption in that post.

- f

His action annoyed me, he jumped in and voted me, and then insulted all the other players for not having me lynched...
...I can understand the vote, heck, I expected it after all the tunneling. But the insult was uncalled for and simply derogatory, his reads have no more validity than anyone else's so far, and yet he's making them seem like they're fully correct.

----

@GM, It really does look like you're winging it, if you aren't, as you claim, maybe if you explained your thoughts instead of keeping them to yourself it would alleviate the problem.

Could you post a reads list 2?

Same for RC

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On that note, I must inquire on RC's reasoning for his scumread, if I was not lying, and I did not intend my question would be answered, why the read?

[²]

If I feel they're genuine then I don't believe they're lying, and since I don't know who the town are then I feel that how truthful they are is a good gauge, and I haven't seen many slips from them.

Yeah, you're pretty much correct.

Although I have a weaker scumread on ETL,

Can you explain what you meant in your 540 which was in response to buldermar's post 539? Because I see an implicit assumption in that post.

- f

His action annoyed me, he jumped in and voted me, and then insulted all the other players for not having me lynched...
...I can understand the vote, heck, I expected it after all the tunneling. But the insult was uncalled for and simply derogatory, his reads have no more validity than anyone else's so far, and yet he's making them seem like they're fully correct.

This explanation doesn't really clear up what bothered me about your reply
b was addressing town, not a specific player: "Quit being fucking idiots and lynch A_stone."
i.e., he wasn't talking to scum, who of course aren't idiots for not voting scum.

your reply: "Says the guy trying to mislynch a townie"
indicates you think he's an idiot for trying to mislynch a townie -- not scum.
That doesn't line up with your read on us.

[²]

Not Scum: Mr E Roll, RC, ETL
Maybe: Mac
Scum: A_Stone, GM

(not a consensus list)

- f

[goodmorning]

@GM, It really does look like you're winging it, if you aren't, as you claim, maybe if you explained your thoughts instead of keeping them to yourself it would alleviate the problem.

I did explain those thoughts. I'm really really trying to make the case(s) but I genuinely have a zillion things to do.

[N]

GuyInFreezer replaces EspeciallyTheLies.

[GuyInFreezer]

/towntells

Now that I got this out of the way

I'm gonna read.

[GuyInFreezer]

Vote Count 1.21

thenewearth

( 5 ) RedCoyote , Mac , A_Stone , Mr E Roll , ²

Before I read

doc lynch?

scum probably in this wagon.

[Mac]

maybe you should read more. he did not claim nor make any indication of being doc.

[GuyInFreezer]

And I'm about to find out why

[²]

Not Scum: Mr E Roll, RC, ETL
Maybe: Mac
Scum: A_Stone, GM

(not a consensus list)

- f

It is to some extent a consensus list in the sense that I read A_Stone as virtually confirmed scum and GM up there.

- b

[²]

Vote Count 1.21

thenewearth

( 5 ) RedCoyote , Mac , A_Stone , Mr E Roll , ²

Before I read

doc lynch?

scum probably in this wagon.

Oh hey, what a brilliant contribution from you.

- b

[²]

Why don't you guys vote A_Stone or at least explain which part of my analysis that leads to the conclusion that he's scum is wrong?

- b

[GuyInFreezer]

Vote Count 1.21

thenewearth

( 5 ) RedCoyote , Mac , A_Stone , Mr E Roll , ²

Before I read

doc lynch?

scum probably in this wagon.

Oh hey, what a brilliant contribution from you.

- b

ikr?

Very surprised that this game has less than 30 pages.

[²]

after you read the thread it won't be such a surprise.

- f

[GuyInFreezer]

Near-End D1 FoS List

Rach FoS: GM/

A_Stone

Mac FoS: Rach/TNE/

A_Stone

MER FoS: TNE/GM/

A_Stone

2 FoS: Locked on

A_Stone

GM FoS: MER/Mac

RC FoS: GM/

A_Stone

A_Stone FoS: TNE/GM

ETL FoS: slightly on GM/

A_Stone

Guys?

Why the fuck didn't you guys lynch A_Stone D1?

I smell BS on that "compromise lynch."

[²]

Near-End D1 FoS List

Rach FoS: GM/

A_Stone

Mac FoS: Rach/TNE/

A_Stone

MER FoS: TNE/GM/

A_Stone

2 FoS: Locked on

A_Stone

GM FoS: MER/Mac

RC FoS: GM/

A_Stone

A_Stone FoS: TNE/GM

ETL FoS: slightly on GM/

A_Stone

Guys?

Why the fuck didn't you guys lynch A_Stone D1?

I smell BS on that "compromise lynch."

<3

- f

[GuyInFreezer]

Based on this FoS list, TNE's "compromise lynch", and Rach kill alone, it heavily leans on GM/A_Stone scumteam.
Now I'm gonna read from beginning to see if I'm right.

[goodmorning]

Argumentum ad populum is the lamest possible fallacy.

[GuyInFreezer]

Using fallacy as defense is the lamest possible defense.

[²]

Near-End D1 FoS List

Rach FoS: GM/

A_Stone

Mac FoS: Rach/TNE/

A_Stone

MER FoS: TNE/GM/

A_Stone

2 FoS: Locked on

A_Stone

GM FoS: MER/Mac

RC FoS: GM/

A_Stone

A_Stone FoS: TNE/GM

ETL FoS: slightly on GM/

A_Stone

Guys?

Why the fuck didn't you guys lynch A_Stone D1?

I smell BS on that "compromise lynch."

I keep asking myself that very question and the only answer I can come up with is sheer stupidity.

- b

[²]

Near-End D1 FoS List

Rach FoS: GM/

A_Stone

Mac FoS: Rach/TNE/

A_Stone

MER FoS: TNE/GM/

A_Stone

2 FoS: Locked on

A_Stone

GM FoS: MER/Mac

RC FoS: GM/

A_Stone

A_Stone FoS: TNE/GM

ETL FoS: slightly on GM/

A_Stone

Guys?

Why the fuck didn't you guys lynch A_Stone D1?

I smell BS on that "compromise lynch."

Also I retract everything I sarcastically said regarding your contribution; you've already done more than most other players in this game.

Now let's fucking lynch A_Stone already.

- b

[²]

Based on this FoS list, TNE's "compromise lynch", and Rach kill alone, it heavily leans on GM/A_Stone scumteam.
Now I'm gonna read from beginning to see if I'm right.

Which is exactly the scum team f and I have been entertaining as a strong possibility for quite a long time.

- b

[²]

Argumentum ad populum is the lamest possible fallacy.

It's not argumentum ad populum when the consensus is different from what he is advocating.

And even if the consensus was

exactly

what he is advocating, that wouldn't automatically make it a fallacy.

- b

[goodmorning]

He is advocating a lynch on Stone. I think there's a general consensus that Stone would be a good lynch. I haven't seen him provide any reasons to propose this other than "you guys all agree". Therefore it is a fallacious argument. Does that make it wrong? Not necessarily, though I personally think it is.