WWE Believe in the Shield

[The Goat]

I was talking shit about killing him during the night because his response was weird as shit, as I said before.

Heh.

So sue me. I'm not a huge fan of being dead.

[xMALCOLMx]

And can you go into more detail about this?

In multiball, scumteams have to decide whether the town or scum would be a bigger threat, so they will either use their nightkill hitting scum so they don't have to worry about being killed during the night, or they will use their nightkill to hit town so they don't get lynched. Shield hitting GCBC means that they aren't concerned about the town at that moment (I don't think they were making themselves enough of a threat to justify being killed), but what that also does is put the Heyman team behind early since now we can look for associations. So now Heyman knows that the other team is good enough to find them, which means that they are a threat during the day AND at night. So that combined with the "they shot one of us, we need to shoot one of them" mentality, I figured that other scumteam was probably going for the vig shot so I didn't really care if we no lynched or not. It's not optimal, but it's definitely better than lynching a townread.

What do you see in Mutley that Kise obviously doesn't?

Kise hasn't had a chance to read end of day shenanigans, but I'm going to summarize them for him in a minute. I think that his end of day meltdown was genuine as fuck; the advocating for his own lynch and still not letting go of ferret read showed that he really didn't care about surviving and, based on his posting before that point, I don't think it's something he could fake and pull off as scum.

[petapan]

Weird. First you thought Krab was Scum, then you did a complete 180 seemingly out of nowhere for no apparent reason. Then you'd rather vote for Goat at the end of the day even though you don't even have a read on him?

Explain yourself.

maybe actually read all my posts you dingus i thought the way muttley claimed was town

i simply don't have time to read most of these wall posts right now and most of the ideas in them don't interest me

VOTE: fuzzyman

dude's still scum

[Darthe]

Nero Cain (Post #8):

"I can live with loving pokemon and ferrets, he's out."

When did I say that I liked Pokemon? FOR READING MY MIND.

VOTE: NERO CAIN

It's not anti-town if they are scum

although they wouldn't be voting for themselves if they were scum, but it's WIFOM anyways.

UNVOTE: NERO CAIN

VOTE: SKULLDUGGERY

First and foremost, two votes on two strong town players this game. I would also like to note before I get into this that Ferret knows how to play mafia, and is not new to the game despite being new to site. This is important to note because he is making clearly basic mistakes and seems to be playing up his newness and experience simultaneously.

I think that right now it is still all random votes and shenanigans. Can we all just stop overreacting to everything?

Here we see something not overtly scummy. However, it is notable because this is a player setting themselves up as a median.

This is all a bunch of bullcrap.

How was that fishing?

He was just asking about a possible breadcrumb, because scum will use that later if they can and want to. Removing that possibility druing their play makes their claim less believable. I actually think that that is pro-town.

Random discusson about a breadcrumb and is arguing that early reveals are pro-town because of their effect on wigggle room? How did this slide?

I didn't even see any breadcrumb happening, but I don't see it as bad to point out a possible breadcrumb.

This is basically all the response that was given and then that conversation died.

oh lol

I just derped around and accidentally clicked RavenPaw's ISO button, and she has vote/unvote FOUR TIMES. I think that alone is enough of a reason to vote for her.

UNVOTE
VOTE: RAVENPAW

No. Read on and you all can see why. but first.. {1}

So I get back from school, and I get a wagon on me. lolwut

What is being expected of me currently? There are so many posts when I get back from school that I get overwhelmed. I have no idea what questions people are trying to ask me, because they are just getting boggled up with all of the other (for the lack of a better term) "filler" posts.

Could someone

please

make a post with the questions they would like me to answer, and I would be glad to comply.

Simply put this post is terribad. If you can't take the time to read and respond to relevant things already in thread then why would you vie for time like this? The hope here is clearly to get a couple of questions that are manageable and let the rest fall away. And he is surprised to get a wagon from his bullshanks, which eventually dies to Goat and etc which he advocates but then goes nowhere with. That is quoted to for reference.

I don't really have any scumreads for now, so I will make a vote in my next post for the person with the post longest ago.

Wut the actual Fuck?

@Ravenpaw what have I ignored? Just quote/say it again and I'll probably be happy to answer.

See now, this is why I called that earlier thing bullshanks (refer to {1}), because he has yet to vote anyone else and voted her on the policy of...pretty much nothing by his own admission?.. and then he is being submissive towards her.

Hello, I'm back. I have seen this stuff and have felt that the Krab wagon is unneeded. Goat, however, has been much worse. If you're drunk, then don't play werewolf.

UNVOTE
VOTE: THE GOAT

And then he votes Goat. It's been a while here, but pressure is off him and goat is getting traction so this is a vote "for being drunk". That is four throwaways in a row, not somethng I feel happens from townies, especially not ones who seem so involved in the game. Why is this person not casing or advocating anyone? Why does he not have reads? Why is he playing an erratic game? To avoid looking too false. That is literally the only reason that I can come up with that makes any sense, because for someone who "can't reply to the big pile of questions/casing/etc" made against him he is remarkably active.. and unfocused.

And Town will make scumslips too if they are drunk and not careful, so that degrades your point.

Defending? Before you voted him for being drunk, then you said he appeared genuinely drunk (forgot to quote guys, sorry), now you're defending him for drunkenness because the act of intoxication somehow makes someones statements less likely to reflect their alignment in your eyes? This is again contrary with various things ferret stated before regarding his views on playrs, playstyle, scumminess, and the like. It doesn't add up at all for a player who is not inexperienced.

I

do not

think that this is scumhunting, I was just trying to get a response

from them

, and get more reactions, because apparently reactions are good for scumhunting.

I don't feel like there are any good lynches today, so should I just vote No Lynch?

946 pages in this is said? are you shitting me? Such a goddamn throwaway for the shitty voting a play made up to this point. Indeed, past here we somewhat see his play tighten up. It looks like someone got snipped at. Maybe a day QT?

So a 1-Shot Day-Vig I'm assuming? Dammit RoleCop gone. That sux man.

boo.

No, Krabs wouldn't be the scumread. The

slot

is the scumread.

This is so semantic. And ironic.

Ummm... RATEDR just TOLD us that he hasn't read the thread. Scummy? Yes. Sven's case? Yes. Let's lynch RATEDR. Noone else sees the scumminness of xMALCOMx...

VOTE: RATEDR

How is this scummy but you were okay with it when you did it to not answer questions? Further, what is the fixation with hydras?

So vote for me then pressure another vote. What are you doing?

You just made my scumtell on you more massive.

Nonono. Confirmation bias or flail, this guy doesn't do well under pressure either way.

Goat really bought a shovel and went to town there. Diggin' himself a hole. Should GOAT be the lynch today or should it be RATEDR or should it be MALCOM? So many lynch choices D:

Another push for goat while voting the other hydra that gave you a major scumread boner after you voted him and you decide to attempt and set up lynches? This post hurt my heart a bit, I almost felt bad for him.

You can't just "disregard" someone in a game like Mafia. You have to read everything and make logical, educated decisions. If you just "disregard" Nero because he suspects you then you will definitely be seen as scum.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

You're trying to be funny and it's just digging you into a hole. Krabs was a Town read, you are a scum read.

Town Reads:
ferret
Sven
Desp
AA9
Skull

Scum Reads:
Mutley
Malcom
RATEDR
AA

He is in his list of townreads... Goat isn't, nor are over half the people he has voted. However, he hasn't voted some of his scum reads and is pushing on those he doesn't list in either. I leave you all to interpret and weigh that.

I doubt that there is a lyncher in the setup.

This came out of nowhere so I included it.

What does that even mean?

Just shut up :/

You find someone that irks you and you urge them to talk less? A townsmember should want them to talk more to gain info from them. The only reason to shut someone up is if you don't want what they have to say to be heard.

[Darthe]

Nero Cain (Post #8):

"I can live with loving pokemon and ferrets, he's out."

When did I say that I liked Pokemon? FOR READING MY MIND.

VOTE: NERO CAIN

It's not anti-town if they are scum

although they wouldn't be voting for themselves if they were scum, but it's WIFOM anyways.

UNVOTE: NERO CAIN

VOTE: SKULLDUGGERY

First and foremost, two votes on two strong town players this game. I would also like to note before I get into this that Ferret knows how to play mafia, and is not new to the game despite being new to site. This is important to note because he is making clearly basic mistakes and seems to be playing up his newness and experience simultaneously.

I think that right now it is still all random votes and shenanigans. Can we all just stop overreacting to everything?

Here we see something not overtly scummy. However, it is notable because this is a player setting themselves up as a median.

This is all a bunch of bullcrap.

How was that fishing?

He was just asking about a possible breadcrumb, because scum will use that later if they can and want to. Removing that possibility druing their play makes their claim less believable. I actually think that that is pro-town.

Random discusson about a breadcrumb and is arguing that early reveals are pro-town because of their effect on wigggle room? How did this slide?

I didn't even see any breadcrumb happening, but I don't see it as bad to point out a possible breadcrumb.

This is basically all the response that was given and then that conversation died.

oh lol

I just derped around and accidentally clicked RavenPaw's ISO button, and she has vote/unvote FOUR TIMES. I think that alone is enough of a reason to vote for her.

UNVOTE
VOTE: RAVENPAW

No. Read on and you all can see why. but first.. {1}

So I get back from school, and I get a wagon on me. lolwut

What is being expected of me currently? There are so many posts when I get back from school that I get overwhelmed. I have no idea what questions people are trying to ask me, because they are just getting boggled up with all of the other (for the lack of a better term) "filler" posts.

Could someone

please

make a post with the questions they would like me to answer, and I would be glad to comply.

Simply put this post is terribad. If you can't take the time to read and respond to relevant things already in thread then why would you vie for time like this? The hope here is clearly to get a couple of questions that are manageable and let the rest fall away. And he is surprised to get a wagon from his bullshanks, which eventually dies to Goat and etc which he advocates but then goes nowhere with. That is quoted to for reference.

I don't really have any scumreads for now, so I will make a vote in my next post for the person with the post longest ago.

Wut the actual Fuck?

@Ravenpaw what have I ignored? Just quote/say it again and I'll probably be happy to answer.

See now, this is why I called that earlier thing bullshanks (refer to {1}), because he has yet to vote anyone else and voted her on the policy of...pretty much nothing by his own admission?.. and then he is being submissive towards her.

Hello, I'm back. I have seen this stuff and have felt that the Krab wagon is unneeded. Goat, however, has been much worse. If you're drunk, then don't play werewolf.

UNVOTE
VOTE: THE GOAT

And then he votes Goat. It's been a while here, but pressure is off him and goat is getting traction so this is a vote "for being drunk". That is four throwaways in a row, not somethng I feel happens from townies, especially not ones who seem so involved in the game. Why is this person not casing or advocating anyone? Why does he not have reads? Why is he playing an erratic game? To avoid looking too false. That is literally the only reason that I can come up with that makes any sense, because for someone who "can't reply to the big pile of questions/casing/etc" made against him he is remarkably active.. and unfocused.

And Town will make scumslips too if they are drunk and not careful, so that degrades your point.

Defending? Before you voted him for being drunk, then you said he appeared genuinely drunk (forgot to quote guys, sorry), now you're defending him for drunkenness because the act of intoxication somehow makes someones statements less likely to reflect their alignment in your eyes? This is again contrary with various things ferret stated before regarding his views on playrs, playstyle, scumminess, and the like. It doesn't add up at all for a player who is not inexperienced.

I

do not

think that this is scumhunting, I was just trying to get a response

from them

, and get more reactions, because apparently reactions are good for scumhunting.

I don't feel like there are any good lynches today, so should I just vote No Lynch?

946 pages in this is said? are you shitting me? Such a goddamn throwaway for the shitty voting a play made up to this point. Indeed, past here we somewhat see his play tighten up. It looks like someone got snipped at. Maybe a day QT?

So a 1-Shot Day-Vig I'm assuming? Dammit RoleCop gone. That sux man.

boo.

No, Krabs wouldn't be the scumread. The

slot

is the scumread.

This is so semantic. And ironic.

Ummm... RATEDR just TOLD us that he hasn't read the thread. Scummy? Yes. Sven's case? Yes. Let's lynch RATEDR. Noone else sees the scumminness of xMALCOMx...

VOTE: RATEDR

How is this scummy but you were okay with it when you did it to not answer questions? Further, what is the fixation with hydras?

So vote for me then pressure another vote. What are you doing?

You just made my scumtell on you more massive.

Nonono. Confirmation bias or flail, this guy doesn't do well under pressure either way.

Goat really bought a shovel and went to town there. Diggin' himself a hole. Should GOAT be the lynch today or should it be RATEDR or should it be MALCOM? So many lynch choices D:

Another push for goat while voting the other hydra that gave you a major scumread boner after you voted him and you decide to attempt and set up lynches? This post hurt my heart a bit, I almost felt bad for him.

You can't just "disregard" someone in a game like Mafia. You have to read everything and make logical, educated decisions. If you just "disregard" Nero because he suspects you then you will definitely be seen as scum.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

You're trying to be funny and it's just digging you into a hole. Krabs was a Town read, you are a scum read.

Town Reads:
ferret
Sven
Desp
AA9
Skull

Scum Reads:
Mutley
Malcom
RATEDR
AA

He is in his list of townreads... Goat isn't, nor are over half the people he has voted. However, he hasn't voted some of his scum reads and is pushing on those he doesn't list in either. I leave you all to interpret and weigh that.

I doubt that there is a lyncher in the setup.

This came out of nowhere so I included it.

What does that even mean?

Just shut up :/

You find someone that irks you and you urge them to talk less? A townsmember should want them to talk more to gain info from them. The only reason to shut someone up is if you don't want what they have to say to be heard.



In summation, this is why Ferret stuck out to me. He is trying to get by, but not helping town. While others are doing so as well his reads to me as the most false and manipulative example. Thus I

Unvote Vote Ferret.

[Darthe]

Sorry, accidentally pressed send before adding the end. That is the ferret case in full.

[Nero Cain]

You completely ignored the fact that Malcolm + mutley unvoted less than an hour before Doctor put Mutley back on L-2. Their unvotes are directly responsible for the NL

Yep, it was all them. Those 7 other players had nothing to do with it.

Weren't you just arguing that Malcolm is less scummy than all of those players? If Malcolm were to flip town, you wouldn't be looking at the other people who played a role in the NL anymore? Or what?

My point is that my original quote was that "I will be looking at these 8 players today" and you called that a chain lynching scheme, even though you agreed with me. This happened before the quote you just provided. Explain that please.

For a guy that likes to complain about being misrepped you do fine with misrepping me. The only reason that I voted Malcolm is 'cause I'm frustrated as hell with you and the rest of this game in general. So, momentarily, I was like "fuck it, lets just lynch Malcolm to get you to shut up" So no, I never agreed with you.

How could you possibly agree that his unvote was boneheaded but not find it scummy when, had he not done it, we would have had a successful lynch yesterday?

And yet, you keep telling me that he didn't force the actions of those other but you're still blaming him for the nl. They are one in the same.

If Malcolm flips SHIELD scum like I expect he will, then Nero and Mutley are both excellent candidates for his partners.

and Despo claims Heyman mafia

vote:Despo

LOL

Town has no reason to hunt for a specific team. Why do/did you think Malcolm was SHIELD?

[Desperado]

You completely ignored the fact that Malcolm + mutley unvoted less than an hour before Doctor put Mutley back on L-2. Their unvotes are directly responsible for the NL

Yep, it was all them. Those 7 other players had nothing to do with it.

Right then.

Weren't you just arguing that Malcolm is less scummy than all of those players? If Malcolm were to flip town, you wouldn't be looking at the other people who played a role in the NL anymore? Or what?

My point is that my original quote was that "I will be looking at these 8 players today" and you called that a chain lynching scheme, even though you agreed with me. This happened before the quote you just provided. Explain that please.

For a guy that likes to complain about being misrepped you do fine with misrepping me. The only reason that I voted Malcolm is 'cause I'm frustrated as hell with you and the rest of this game in general. So, momentarily, I was like "fuck it, lets just lynch Malcolm to get you to shut up" So no, I never agreed with you.

How can I misrep you if I'm asking you a question? I'm not representing anything, I'm asking you to clarify your thought process. Furthermore, I can't be misrepping you if you never actually gave a reason. But if you agree that what Malcolm did was boneheaded, and you can see that what he did directly led to the NL (and it is very scummy that you keep denying this...look at the time stamps man. If Malcolm doesn't unvote then neither does mutley and Doctor Demencha hammers mutley. You haven't even attempted to dispute this, you just keep shouting that Malcolm isn't totally to blame...even though he admitted that he did it on purpose!) then I don't understand how you didn't agree with my earlier conclusion.

How could you possibly agree that his unvote was boneheaded but not find it scummy when, had he not done it, we would have had a successful lynch yesterday?

And yet, you keep telling me that he didn't force the actions of those other but you're still blaming him for the nl. They are one in the same

No, they aren't. Refer to the above.

If Malcolm flips SHIELD scum like I expect he will, then Nero and Mutley are both excellent candidates for his partners.

and Despo claims Heyman mafia

vote:Despo

LOL

Town has no reason to hunt for a specific team. Why do/did you think Malcolm was SHIELD?

It was an educated guess that I officially recant.

[Skullduggery]

Alright, Malcolm, so your whole deal about shooting Goat was basically just a long, complicated reaction test? And what were your findings? It sounds like you're pretty confident that you caught Scum, but if that's the case, why isn't your vote on Goat?

Darthe raises some good points about Ferretlover that really make me stop and think. Man, my Town reads are just dropping like flies, aren't they?

Weird. First you thought Krab was Scum, then you did a complete 180 seemingly out of nowhere for no apparent reason. Then you'd rather vote for Goat at the end of the day even though you don't even have a read on him?

Explain yourself.

maybe actually read all my posts you dingus i thought the way muttley claimed was town

I

did

read all your posts, genius. Nowhere did you say that you liked the way Mutley claimed. If you don't say it, then I can't read it, now can I?

[Nexus]

Votecount 2.2:

xMALCOLMx (3)-

MonkeyMan576, Skullduggery, ferretlover

Mutleyddmc (3)-

Amethyst Actor, The Goat, Ravenpaw

Fuzzyman (1)-

Mac

Svenskt Stål (1)-

Mutleyddmc

Desperado (1)-

Nero Cain

The Esquire (1)-

xMALCOLMx

Fuzzyman (1)-

petapan

Not voting (13)-

Jebus, Darthe, ArcAngel9, penguin_alien, Fuzzyman, petapan, TheEsquire, The Goat, Svenskt Stål, Desperado,

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Day 2 will end at 8PM BST on Wednesday 5th June 2013.

Svenskt Stål has requested replacement.

[Mac]

@mod - you have Fuzzyman listed twice.

I feel good about a sven/mutley scumteam at the moment... sven defended krabs and mutley hard then feigned stupidity by claiming "mutley will be lynched anyway" whilst still being on the Goat wagon. I think this is delibrate obtuseness and sven was either protecting a buddy or hoping for towncred from the protection of krabs/mutley. leaning towards the former, since he could've compromised by voting mutley if he was hoping towncred.

vote Mutley

[Mutleyddmc]

I think he was going for town cred. Vote him not me.

[Mac]

if he was going for towncred then he could have just voted you instead of being obtuse about who would get lynched.

[Jebus]

Vote: Ferret

[Mac]

jebus. start fucking contributing.

why didn't you vote at the end of day one?

[Mutleyddmc]

if he was going for towncred then he could have just voted you instead of being obtuse about who would get lynched.

But would it not have looked suspicious that he changed his mind?

[Mac]

no. it's a compromise.

[The Goat]

unvote

I'm stuck between thinking that a Mutley flip will give us tremendous information, and my gut telling me that he's not scum...with one little exception.

Mutley...please answer me a question.

If you were so dead set on there being a lynch yesterday, why did you want someone else to put you at L-1, so you could then hammer yourself? Why not vote yourself to -1, and then let someone else hammer you?

[Mutleyddmc]

Cos I also want to play a game. there was a chance I could survive and you could go. Had someone put me at l-1 though I would have decided that chance had gone, and taken one for the team. Eitherway if I had voted to hammer or L-1. still needed someone else to vote which they didn't!

[penguin_alien]

I'd specifically like to hear from ArcAngel9, Fuzzyman, and Jebus as to why they weren't voting at the end of the day. With people indicating an interest in lynching The Goat, those who moved to that wagon are less suspect to me. Jebus said he wouldn't mind a Goat wagon, and his lack of follow-through is even worse than ArcAngel9's avoiding the issue. Then Fuzzyman voting over a fairly obvious jest and unvoting without any follow-up is equally lousy.

Given that xMalcolmx apparently didn't follow through on their intent to kill The Goat, it doesn't seem as shady that they'd try to get The Goat lynched yesterday.

VOTE: Jebus

[ferretlover]

Stop these fluff posts. It's not helping your case.

Only if you promise me your not scum?

This is what I said "Aww, shut up" sarcastically to.

What's the point of promising that someone isn't scum? What does a promise do in a game full of lies?

[Mutleyddmc]

maybe I was a Lie detector trying to get a statement out of you.

[ferretlover]

Are you claiming Lie Detector then?

How about this. "I AM TOWN YOU TURD" Is that good enough?

[Mutleyddmc]

I've already claimed.

[ferretlover]

Oh brilliant lol. Any reason why I am scummy. Sorry I haven't read through yet haven't quite got the time to read 40 pages so for tonight I can intermittently post answers etc! Should have probably let me replace squid and lynched krab!! Might have been best for the town. I suppose I should claim. I am VT

The VT claim doesn't seem legit because of how aggressively Mutley is being, and having intent to self-hammer, then going on and voting someone else to try and force a NL. A lot of people are defending him and it makes my scumdar go wild.