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Post Post #950 (ISO) » Tue May 21, 2013 1:13 am

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Votecount 3.5 - Final D3 Votecount


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- Thor665, awestfie, MontyWhittaker, Regfan

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- Ms Marangal

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Night 3 starts now.



Night will last 72 hours.
The deadline for night is May 24 at 5:15 AM PDT. Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2013-05-24 05:15:00)
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Post Post #951 (ISO) » Fri May 24, 2013 6:19 am

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Nekoko,
Cop
, has died.



Day 4 starts now.



Votecount 4.0


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- awestfie, MontyWhittaker, Ms Marangal, Regfan, Thor665


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The deadline is June 7 at 10:20 AM PDT. Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2013-06-07 10:20:00)
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Post Post #952 (ISO) » Fri May 24, 2013 6:43 am

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Well, damn; I kinda wish Nekoko hadn't checked me now, since I hate being a clear and I would've rather have had Regfan as clear here so that if he ended up mishammering in the end I could've just laughed at him. Sadly; that's not going to happen.

Regardless of any of that, I felt like your reaction to my JK claim was somewhat townie, Regfan; however you do know that I would attempt a reaction test in that situation and your reaction really doesn't mean anything to me because of that. The only reason why I think you're slightly town is because no kill happened yesterday and I don't think you'd be inclined to delay the game like that for no reason whatsoever, especially with a cop claim.
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Post Post #953 (ISO) » Fri May 24, 2013 6:50 am

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Oh, and I'd love to get everyone's explanation as to why scum would be more inclined to no-kill there and give town another clear instead of just killing the cop.

Mind you that the cop could've gotten a guilty and made it auto-win for town; so, why would scum do that? Realistically, the only answer I can come up with is; the last scum didn't send in a kill.

Although, if someone else has an answer to this, please do let me know cause I have no idea why that would happen.
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Post Post #954 (ISO) » Fri May 24, 2013 10:18 am

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Bleh, was kind of really hoping Nekoko was actually mafia. Anyway I'll be out for all of today but I'll carve out some time tomorrow to get around to this game.

Awestfie, I'm pretty sure the no-kill on N2 was due to mafia forgetting to send in an action (Even though it makes little sense it makes more sense than mafia choosing to no-kill on purpose since there's no gain in that whatsoever, especially with a 100% clear at the time (Ms) and a cop claim (Nekoko) which weirdly means that one of Thor and Monty forgot to get around to submit a kill whilst still posting elsewhere in their other games). At this point if you realize that I'm blindingly obvious town then there's no way we can lose this since it means we'd be able to lynch Monty/Thor back to back for a guaranteed win but I'd rather this not go to lylo so I'm going to lay out everything that's going through my mind (Which sadly is a lot) and do a big ISO through their interactions with Irish tomorrow.
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Post Post #955 (ISO) » Fri May 24, 2013 1:12 pm

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Well, since Regfan and awestfie are Town, it's down to Ms. Marangal and Thor, unless I missed something.

Was MM investigated by Nekoko?

I'll begin an ISO of Thor tomorrow evening, when I will be home. For now, assuming that Reg, awestfie, and MM are conftown, I will

VOTE: Thor
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Post Post #956 (ISO) » Fri May 24, 2013 3:47 pm

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Why is Reg conf. town Monty? He wasn't investigated by the cop and I'm still a little unsure to what his alignment is. If it has to go down to you and Thor though, I'd go for You over Thor
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Post Post #957 (ISO) » Fri May 24, 2013 6:52 pm

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In post 955, MontyWhittaker wrote:Well, since Regfan and awestfie are Town, it's down to Ms. Marangal and Thor, unless I missed something.
Regfan isn't confirmed town; only Ms Marangal and I are.
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Post Post #958 (ISO) » Sat May 25, 2013 1:49 am

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Sorry, I misread Regfan's post. Give me a little time in about twelve hours to look at the thread again.
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Post Post #959 (ISO) » Sat May 25, 2013 6:38 pm

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All right, I am completely and utterly exhausted from that trip. I will make a post tomorrow, I promise.
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Post Post #960 (ISO) » Sun May 26, 2013 12:07 am

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I've been caught up studying for the upcoming finals but I'm going to go through everything tonight (4-5 hours from now).
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Post Post #961 (ISO) » Sun May 26, 2013 2:30 am

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Vote: Monty


He forgot who was confirmed? I say yeah, he did, and it got confusing to him because he already knows who is town and who isn't.
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Post Post #962 (ISO) » Sun May 26, 2013 10:14 am

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I'd be down for Monty, though I'm shifty about Reg. all this talk about his Meta and how so Obv town he has been this game is giving me chicken skin. I want to see what he comes up with before I make any decisions
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Post Post #963 (ISO) » Sun May 26, 2013 10:21 am

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In post 87, Thor665 wrote:
In post 85, TheIrishPope wrote:I have my Hand of Suspicion aimed at Shawn. He seems so innocent. Real scumtell.
"Shawn doesn't look like scum.
Ergo - Shawn is scum."
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Unvote: Sakura Hana
Vote: IrishPope
All right, this seems legit. These first few posts all seem good, but...
In post 452, Thor665 wrote:Oh, by the way, if there's no Doc.

MM needs looking at.
Commando will be basically assured town.
Irish will be as well.
I would like an explanation of this assumption, if you don't mind.
In post 781, Thor665 wrote:
In post 779, MontyWhittaker wrote:You certainly are, but making an irrational move such as changing a vote without giving any really legitimate reasons why is not very good for your game, no matter what. Especially since you already have three votes on you...
That sorta makes me want to call him town, frankly - he's being almost silly antagonistic.
And that ends all of the hypothesizing regarding Thor. I'm hesitant to call him scum with just this. Give me a second to look at Regfan.

Oh, and Thor, the main reason for that error was that I was trying to dash something off before we left.
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Post Post #964 (ISO) » Sun May 26, 2013 10:24 am

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All right, so Commandodude, the slot that Regfan replaced into, never said anything whatsoever to or about Irish. Is that simply an oversight or scum not looking at scumbuddy?
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Post Post #965 (ISO) » Sun May 26, 2013 10:32 am

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Regfan, I really don't like any of your interaction with Irish whatsoever. Yours or the slot you replaced into, for that matter. Between you and Thor, my vote has to be

VOTE: Regfan
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Post Post #966 (ISO) » Sun May 26, 2013 11:38 am

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I can't tell if that's a glaring town tell or an awkward chase of MM's suspicion.
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Post Post #967 (ISO) » Sun May 26, 2013 4:59 pm

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Votecount 4.1


(1)
MontyWhittaker
- Thor665
(1)
Regfan
- MontyWhittaker
(0)
Thor665
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(MontyWhittaker)


(3)
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- awestfie,
(MontyWhittaker,)
Ms Marangal, Regfan,
(Thor665)



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Post Post #968 (ISO) » Sun May 26, 2013 5:02 pm

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I'm looking at this again - I like my vote where it is.
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Post Post #969 (ISO) » Sun May 26, 2013 7:58 pm

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Sorry, fell asleep last night while doing the reading through, saved a lot of what I got through as a draft though and will finish it tonight.
In post 965, MontyWhittaker wrote:Regfan, I really don't like any of your interaction with Irish whatsoever. Yours or the slot you replaced into, for that matter. Between you and Thor, my vote has to be
This makes no sense whatsoever given that you claim to have a strong town-read on Commando and a stronger town-read on me in combined with the fact that Commandodude mentioned nearly no one in the game given he was nearly never here and the fact that Irish actually attempted to mslynch Commando when he did arrive - You're ignoring a whole other street of interactions there.
In post 962, Ms Marangal wrote:I'm shifty about Reg. all this talk about his Meta and how so Obv town he has been this game is giving me chicken skin.
If you read through my meta you'll notice the obvious difference I'm talking about. A few of my town games are Black Flag Nightless (Where I replaced in on the hydra JT), Newbie 1259, Timeshift Mafia (Where I replaced in) and AdWD and here's a bunch of my scum games Fantasy Camp (Where I replaced in), Post Apocolypic Mafia (Which I'd consider my best scum play ever despite actually losing the game still) and DEFCON 3.
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Post Post #970 (ISO) » Sun May 26, 2013 8:37 pm

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Monty + Irish


Not sure what to make or Irishs drawing attention to Montys lurking by stating "he posted and left" in , states a scum-read on him in and states it would be worthless to vote Monty since no one would join him in which does come across as distancing (FoSing partner but making up reasons why not to vote them). Monty jumps on the Irish wagon in while not commenting on any other player; works if he thinks that Irish is down and dead and needs to attempt to fit in. Irish bold FoS's in but doesn't thrown down a vote. Here's the really interesting part; In Shawn attacks Monty and lays out a case stating that Monty isn't advancing any reads, stating anything on other players and hasn't offered any new insights, Monty then unvotes Irish in where at the time he was the only person voting Irish, the unvote there works very very very well as a partner to Irish that realizes there's no need to buss anymore and Monty proceeds to stating a scum-read on Shawn. Irish then flips his read on Monty to reasonable and null in and Monty flips his to Irish being in his good graces and Thor and Ms being who he wants to look into in . Day 2 stars and watch how all the reads flip; has Irish voting Monty and stating a scum-read on him and has Monty laying down a case on Irish without mentioning Thor / Ms. The change of reads there look very much like they had a discussion at night stating "I'm going down tomorrow you're going to need to buss me" "Okay we'll push on each other".

I'll go into Thor+Irish interactions later on.
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Post Post #971 (ISO) » Sun May 26, 2013 8:46 pm

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In post 970, Regfan wrote:
Monty + Irish
I'll go into Thor+Irish interactions later on.
When's "later on?"
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Post Post #972 (ISO) » Sun May 26, 2013 8:47 pm

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Tonight after I finish some study + cook dinner (Probably 4 hours?).
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Post Post #973 (ISO) » Sun May 26, 2013 8:49 pm

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Oopsy daisy.
Regfan wrote:Tonight after I finish some study + cook dinner (Probably 4 hours?).
Fair enough, I'll go finish my nap and I should be back around 4 hours or so and I'll ISO the three of you once I see your reads.
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Post Post #974 (ISO) » Sun May 26, 2013 10:26 pm

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Thor + Irish


Thors push on Irish in , , and points against them being partners, especially given that Irish was the rolecop. Irish's response in of "Do you know something I don't" is weird though and I'm not quite sure he'd say that to a partner, Thors insisting that Irish should be speed lynched points against them being partners too. Irish's read on Thor in is essentially non-existent and does the same thing, he focuses solely on Thors Shawn vote while ignoring Thors suspicion of him. I still find Thors really town (Awestfie I really did want your opinion on this, I don't think you've given it yet). His vote on Irish in is something I think he'd have drawn more attention towards if it was him bussing at scum. Irish's D2 read on Thor in is weird again though but I think him voting his partner as an attempt to distance there makes more sense than just stating they're null-scum.

So interaction-wise I think Monty makes a great deal more sense as Irish's partner than Thor does. I want to go through their individual ISO's once more though.
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