Newbie 1378 - Game Over! (Town Wins)

[Nul]

Paradigm is a good vote, but I think I have a better one for now.

[Nul]

Why would Jason do this? Let's go into your shoes. You have experience where together we did great in a game finding scum together. We then see each other in a new game. You draw a scum card, and look eerily towards me, wondering, "man, he might be able to figure me out, I gotta take him out soon".

@uct, your case against Jason is completely weak and based on shaky foundations. It just seems to me that you voted Jason because he voted you. Who are your scum reads and your town reads at this moment? Would you actually be happy with a Jason lynch? Do you think lynching Jason is the town's best decision from the current information we have? Who do you think the town should lynch after Jason?

[Nul]

I lost my thumbs at birth mate.

uctrition00 looks mildly suspicious after rereading all the post. His motives appear to be attempting to sheep new players into luring a win for his mafia game, for example:

I'm one of the SEs, which means I'm good at Mafiascum.net. If unsure of how to win game, follow what I say.

It makes sense he would do this because this is a newbie game and most of us aren't well experienced.

Now here's another post by him:

Checked in but hasn't said anything; must be plotting.

Directly after being voted on by Mastin, he tries to shift the focus away from himself. Typical mafia move.

Jason pretty much picked out the rest of the details. USUALLY though, those who appear to be scum on Day 1, usually isn't. Just saying. Mastin could be trying to sheep us too with his IC, but it's obvious he isn't being a try-hard with it.

You've just said everything that's already been said. If you think uct is scum, why haven't you voted him yet? Who do you think is the second most scummiest after uct? Who are your town reads? You need to post more.

[Nul]

Jason pointing out my point before I could make it, therefore, means that he's become my strongest townread.

Is this really a smart thing to do though; people who agree with you are automatically townie to you?

Let me answer for him. No. It isn't and if he thinks it is, he will be the easiest one of the scum to manipulate. That is a horrible way to decide a town read, and please don't make that same mistake.

@Lucky2u, why do you feel the need to answer a question not directed towards you? Can you compile a list of every player, write your reads and explain the logic for each one? Thank you.

[mattel]

I am here. Been a long couple days will get caught up tonight.

[Lucky2u]

I kind of feel like I am giving in to pressure here but fine, since you asked nicely and said thank you, I will do you this service and give you my individual reads. It will follow this post shortly.

[Lucky2u]

Mattel: Easiest, he has one post and just showed up. I am not willingly to say anything about him. No Read.

Mastin: He is the IC and his posts have been very informative (even though half of it has been why I'm scum). I liked his opening strat of using votes to get reactions, I think this is the most town thing he's done. It's possible to have done it as a scum looking to appear town, but that's just me being paranoid about IC's experiance I think. He has a Town Read from me.

Ucrit: As I said in an earlier post, he reminds alot of someone in my first game who got blamed on day 1 and started flaying. It's so similar that I really think it would be the same result if he got lynched. Town Read.

Crazzygoat: Looking at his posts, he seems to be playing it safe. Nothing about him screams scum or town. He has asked questions, and made reads but he is not committing to anything that could be used against him. No Read.

Jason: He has been REALLY aggressive so far in this game. I feel like scum would avoid being aggressive. Still, the way he is also being so rude at times makes me think of a guilty person. So I have to say l have a light Scum Read on him.

Radiant: My fellow hunter here bothers me because he joined the ucrit wagon briefly (still has his vote there) and then sort of sat back and did nothing else. He mentioned how if he talks he tends to get lynched but that is a bad excuse to not be active. Sorry buddy but Scum Read....

Paradigm: Checked in on page 2 and has a total of 2 posts. Either super lazy town that needs to be replaced or laying low scum that we should lynch soon. Scum Read, because the latter seems more likely.

Nul: You've been really aggressive toward me (and others) so far this game, but after ISO'ing myself I can't really blame you. The difference between your aggressiveness and Jason's is that you are asking questions and trying to get us to move on. Town Read - but this doesn't mean we're friends.

Lucky2u: Well clearly this guy is town, just look at his avatar! Crowley the King of Hell has never lied or cheated anyone before, you can trust him. Super Town Read.

[Lucky2u]

Because I realized I never answered your first question Nul

I answered the question because it was such an obvious one. It may not have been meant for me, but I don't think ucrit was asking it seriously either. He was trying to make the same point I was. It's a bad idea to town read people who agree with you on one thing.

[JasonWazza]

Jason: He has been REALLY aggressive so far in this game. I feel like scum would avoid being aggressive. Still, the way he is also being so rude at times makes me think of a guilty person. So I have to say l have a light Scum Read on him.

Rude =/= Scum

That is retarded logic dude

In fact that entire reads list is terrible, not to mention your only doing it because someone asked you and it's like "omg you asked me i guess i'll do it"

NO YOU JUST DO IT TO HELP THE TOWN GIBWPGEIHBOAIN

UNVOTE: Paradigm
VOTE: Lucky2u
FoS (Finger of Suspicion): Paradigm

[Lucky2u]

I actually expected that reaction from Jason. I can't say for certain whether he is scum or not, but he would be worth getting rid of either way. He is borderline crazy, (see the "GIBWPGEIHBOAIN" in his last post) and even if he is a town will do more damage than good.

Also, while he contests my logic on his read (and thats fine, it makes sense atleast), he shoots down the rest of my reads by just saying they are terrible and not saying why. Either he didn't read them, he was too blinded by crazy when I scum read him, or he was too lazy to give reasons. None of those are good excuses for a sweeping generalization like that.

Also, the only reason I was reluctant to make the reads wasn't because I didn't want to do it, it was because Nul was the person who asked me. Nul had just criticized me one page ago about my reads. He asked nicely though, so I didn't see a problem with it.

VOTE: JasonWazza

I really don't like this guy.

[JasonWazza]

Lol nice OMGUS, try harder.

Seriously your reads look like they come off a box of cereal.

And you should have been giving reads/scumhunting WITHOUT BEING ASKED TO.

[Lucky2u]

Keep talking Jason. If you say things louder and ruder, it makes them more true.

[JasonWazza]

Yes because loud and rude aren't just playstyle tells and not alignment tells.

/sarcasm

Seriously your vote on me is based purely on PLAYSTYLE TELLS.

[Paradigm]

Regardless of what you think (due to your shallow reads), I'm voting Mastin.

Vote: mastin2

[JasonWazza]

a) back it up
b) list of reads.

[Lucky2u]

Regardless of what you think (due to your shallow reads), I'm voting Mastin.

Vote: mastin2

Am I missing something here? Who is that "regardless of what you think" aimed at? Are you playing this game on drugs?

[Nul]

I kind of feel like I am giving in to pressure here

but fine, since you asked nicely and said thank you, I will do you this service and give you my individual reads.

Giving in to pressure to contribute information to town? You act like it is a bad thing. The way you second guess what everyone is thinking instead of scum hunting just reeks of scumminess. It shows that you are trying really hard to get on people's good side by attempting to guess what they are thinking (goes back to the mastin problem: thinking people are townie because they agree with him/think the same thing). Which is what it appears you are trying to do.

I have a feeling Mastin is doing (excuse me I forget the short name for it) "vote so he can read the reaction" strategy. Otherwise, it's kind of weird to make a serious vote so early and then change to another serious vote rather quickly.

In #38 (quoted above), you do the same thing when mastin casts a vote on you. You're more concerned with second guessing people's thoughts than actual scum hunting. To me, this feels like you are trying to pass off as townie, because the theory is that if you guess the same thing they are thinking, they assume you are townie.

Jason: He has been REALLY aggressive so far in this game. I feel like scum would avoid being aggressive. Still, the way he is also being so rude at times makes me think of a guilty person. So I have to say l have a light Scum Read on him.

Crumbly cases are scummy. This is a crumbly case. So far, all I'm getting is that the only reason you suspect Jason is that he's aggressive.

Radiant: My fellow hunter here bothers me because he joined the ucrit wagon briefly (still has his vote there) and then sort of sat back and did nothing else. He mentioned how if he talks he tends to get lynched but that is a bad excuse to not be active. Sorry buddy but Scum Read....

Paradigm: Checked in on page 2 and has a total of 2 posts. Either super lazy town that needs to be replaced or laying low scum that we should lynch soon. Scum Read, because the latter seems more likely.

Your cases are weak, like I've already mentioned in my other post. Seems like you aren't even trying to scum hunt. I don't see the basic thought processes I would expect from a townie. Inactivity is not good enough of a reason to give people a scum read.

Nul: You've been really aggressive toward me (and others) so far this game, but after ISO'ing myself I can't really blame you. The difference between your aggressiveness and Jason's is that you are asking questions and trying to get us to move on. Town Read -

but this doesn't mean we're friends

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So you think I'm a townie yet somehow we aren't on the same team. Right. Freudian slip, anyone?

I actually expected that reaction from Jason.

I can't say for certain whether he is scum or not, but he would be worth getting rid of either way

. He is borderline crazy, (see the "GIBWPGEIHBOAIN" in his last post) and

even if he is a town will do more damage than good

.

You're not certain if Jason is scum but you still want to lynch him (quoted you say "getting rid of", so that destroys any argument of a pressure vote). Then after that you state "even if he is town". You've just reinforced the idea that you're not even here to scum hunt. All you want to do is lynch people.

Regardless of what you think (due to your shallow reads), I'm voting Mastin.

Vote: mastin2

The mastin wagon can come after Lucky2u. Don't have enough material from mastin's posts to build a case on at the moment.

[Crazzygoat]

I'm gonna side with nul on one point, and that's the trying to lych Jason without the actuall proof (or at least suggesting we should lynch Jason)

FoS: paradigm

He said something like "regardless of what we think" he's still voting mastin

I told lucky in post 62 that he scored points with me for refusing to change his playstyle (although upon reflection idk why you had to point it out) I feel like paradigm in post 88 is trying to suck up to me in that.

Idk maybe I'm paranoid but I don't like that one bit.

[Lucky2u]

Giving in to pressure to contribute information to town? You act like it is a bad thing.

I think Radiant said it best "...I've found that whenever I'm talkative I get lynched or pushed on immediately...". So yea it can be a bad thing. That's why one scum strategy is to lurk, they know by speaking up it does exactly what you are doing to me.

So you think I'm a townie yet somehow we aren't on the same team. Right. Freudian slip, anyone?

No, it's called a sense of humor, not Freudian slip. In order to fully understand, please kindly bend over, reach around behind you, then remove stick from ass. Also, it is possible to not be friends and be on the same team. Have you never had a job? or been put in a group for a school project? or played a game of Mafia in RL?

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I want to vote for Jason because his crazy aggressiveness will end in a scum victory, regardless of whether he is scum or not. I pray that some of you see that too, if not, I'll join the paradigm wagon. If you insist on voting for me, make sure you take a close look at Nul in the next day, since he is the one leading this wagon.

[Nul]

I think Radiant said it best "...I've found that whenever I'm talkative I get lynched or pushed on immediately...". So yea it can be a bad thing.

That's why one scum strategy is to lurk, they know by speaking up it does exactly what you are doing to me.

This made me chuckle. Is this another freudian slip? Why are you talking about scum strategies? You're a townie aren't you (or so you claim)? You talk as though the main purpose of playing townie is to survive being lynched (this is because you are scum). As a townie you're supposed to contribute any information/opinions you have during the day, because there is always a chance of getting killed by mafia at night thereby rendering any info/opinions you withheld as useless.

And what exactly am I doing to you? Analysing and finding contradictions in your posts?

I want to vote for Jason because his crazy aggressiveness will end in a scum victory,

regardless of whether he is scum or not

. I pray that some of you see that too, if not, I'll join the paradigm wagon. If you insist on voting for me, make sure you take a close look at Nul in the next day, since he is the one leading this wagon.

Policy lynching is never pro-townie and anyone adhering otherwise is usually a scum. Again you point out the fact that you don't care whether or not he is scum. You're not scum hunting, you just want to lynch people.

[Crazzygoat]

This might be a totally stupid question but whats a Freudian slip?

[Lucky2u]

This made me chuckle. Is this another freudian slip?

(Inigo Montoya Impression) You keep using that word... I don't think it means what you think it means...

You are like Fox News dude, you pulled a sentence out of context to use against me. I was talking about why speaking up is bad and how scum don't do that. (the implication I was making is scum lurk and I am not lurking, hence I =/= scum) There is no reason for me to have explain that. Why you ask? Because you either are too stupid to understand that or you don't care and are just trying to lynch me regardless. I am explaining it anyway, because the worse your arguments get against me, the more you will expose yourself as scum.

[Lucky2u]

@Crazzy It's an accidental slip that reveals an unconscious motive that you didn't mean to reveal.

[Nul]

(Inigo Montoya Impression) You keep using that word... I don't think it means what you think it means...

You are like Fox News dude, you pulled a sentence out of context to use against me. I was talking about why speaking up is bad and how scum don't do that. (the implication I was making is scum lurk and I am not lurking, hence I =/= scum) There is no reason for me to have explain that. Why you ask? Because you either are too stupid to understand that or you don't care and are just trying to lynch me regardless. I am explaining it anyway, because the worse your arguments get against me, the more you will expose yourself as scum.

Why are you resorting to ad hominem? Logical fallacies don't help your case. Here's the definition from wikipedia: "A Freudian slip is an error in speech, memory, or physical action that is interpreted as occurring due to the interference of some unconscious subdued wish, conflict, or train of thought guided by the super-ego and the rules of correct behaviour." The error in speech you are making is that you have unconsciously used a scum strategy to defend yourself.

Giving in to pressure to contribute information to town? You act like it is a bad thing.

I think Radiant said it best "...I've found that whenever I'm talkative I get lynched or pushed on immediately...". So yea it can be a bad thing. That's why one scum strategy is to lurk, they know by speaking up it does exactly what you are doing to me.

Me: "You act like contributing information to town is a bad thing."
You: "Talkative people get lynched, that's why one scum strategy is to lurk, because they know talking a lot gets them accused."

You're not using "scum strategies" to say that you're not lurking, therefore you're not scum. Read your post. You've used it to support your argument that "talkative people get lynched".

I've already explained how "talkative people get lynched" is an invalid argument as it is anti-town. Withholding information carries the risk of getting killed by scum at night and never being able to speak your thoughts, unless that is of course you are scum yourself.

Your defence translate to:
Me: "You act like contributing info to town is bad."
You: "Scums lurk because they know talking a lot gets them accused."

This is a freudian slip.

Also please stop the ad hominem. It's not helping you at all.

[Nul]

I wish I could edit and add the "s" behind all the "get". @mod if there is a god, please fix my grammar.