Mini 1451: A Memory of Light (Game Over)

[Cephrir]

Vote Count 1.12

Belisarius 4

(Demon, Selkies, milkshake, Ghostlin)

sword_of_omens 4

(GoodCop_BadCop, Iecerint, MattP, Nero Cain)

ThAdmiral 2

(Belisarius, Amrun)

Demon 1

(Miss Destroyer)

milkshake 1

(ThAdmiral)

Not Voting 1

(sword_of_omens)

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is Monday, June 3rd, at 1 PM EST. This is in (expired on 2013-06-03 13:00:00).

[milkshake]

Ghostlin, Amrun, Selkies, MattP, Demon, and Nero Cain are town.

This Belisarius wagon is going to go a little slowly because his buddies won't be willing to vote him. But I think most town players agree with the idea of a Belis lynch, so let's get a few more votes on Belisarius. I think we can win this game.

[milkshake]

Wait, I had just agreed that MattP was null, haha. I dunno, I agree that the evidence doesn't really support my town read but it's just my read I guess. "Gut," I guess.

I wish we didn't have so many V/LAs and low contribution players.

[Ghostlin]

You know, looking over Swords ISO, I'm liking both wagons, but would like to see Beli fry just a little bit more. Let's ignore the L-1 vote for a minute (again, that's personal tells).

There are a huge amount of posts of Swords apologizing for not producing stuff. This itself is not scummy, I admit.

#380, and this is BEFORE me and the Amrun slap fight, has essentially have me and GCBC pegged as the scum team. What does our hero do with this revelation? Does he vote one of us to make us squirm and fry and pray for our very lives? He...promises more content.

Let me make sure this is documented here in this thread: SOO claims he knows who the scumteam is and then

DOESN'T FUCKING VOTE THEM

. Yeah, yeah he's trying to catch up or some shit like that, but if he was afraid of a quick lynch on me for example, he could of kept a vote on GCBC to respond to.

Let me be clear: there's no fucking reason to 'call it' and then not vote. It's against your wincon. You are trying to lynch scum and convince others to do the same. It's akin to not scum hunting because you obviously don't believe you've got it well enough to even be arsed to have people follow you.

[sword_of_omens]

i'm here..
post coming up...
I'll address you in a sec, Ghost...

[MattP]

Wait, I had just agreed that MattP was null, haha. I dunno, I agree that the evidence doesn't really support my town read but it's just my read I guess. "Gut," I guess.

People are just going to ignore this?

VOTE: Milkshake

[Iecerint]

Vla til late sunday

[sword_of_omens]

SoO, any reason you didn't lay down a vote last time?

Short version:
I had run out of time while writing up my post and planned to come back and finish it up with a second post and a vote.
However afterwards, some shit came up and I didn’t have time to write everything up.

Continuing on:

Milkshake has become a town read for me since my last vote. I did like his 130, and his 170 makes sense when you look at his previous posts..his most recent posts have good content with decent observations. I also liked his #449 which reads genuine to me…

@Ghostlin -
First of all, you didn’t answer my question:

Curious here, Gostlin…I don’t remember playing in a game with you before…so why would you feel that I am smart enough to use L-1 in “that matter”? Especially since I don’t have much post history in this game to compare it to…Also, if you’ve ever heard Nero tell it , he would say I am a shit player who needs other people to stick up for me . Please correct me if I’m wrong, Nero…Also, how exactly is my vote unnecessary again? Just because it echoes other people?

So please do….


Second of all:

Let me make sure this is documented here in this thread: SOO claims he knows who the scumteam is and then DOESN'T FUCKING VOTE THEM. Yeah, yeah he's trying to catch up or some shit like that, but if he was afraid of a quick lynch on me for example, he could of kept a vote on GCBC to respond to.

Let me be clear: there's no fucking reason to 'call it' and then not vote. It's against your wincon. You are trying to lynch scum and convince others to do the same. It's akin to not scum hunting because you obviously don't believe you've got it well enough to even be arsed to have people follow you.

Heh..that’s a bunch of shit…I was sarcastically pointing out to you how flawed your logic was and you know it (as shown by my “Holy Shit , we are all scum!”) …i also did not get to finish my original post…(as I clearly stated in that post)

But sure, let me touch a little more on you for a minute:
Your blatant crumbs were bad. I thought long and hard on you to try and figure out the motivation behind it…
There are 2 options here:
1. you could be town horribly crumbing your role for god knows why.
2. you could scum trying to town to obv-crumb to look town.

If it was 1 and you were town, then please pray tell…look at Milk’s ISO and tell me again why you think he is scum.
Seriously, I want you to start at #130. And then tell me...You would see it if you were town…
And what would be the point of obv-crumbing so blatantly as town? I can't find a single one....at all…

Here’s what I think Ghost…
I think you are scum….
In fact, i’d bet a kingdom on it…

You are scum trying to crumb your shit to appear obv-town and draw out town PR’s.
IF you WERE town, and had read that town PM, then you would know WHY it would be a BAD BAD BAD idea to do what you did.

VOTE: Ghostlin

Is that good enough for you?



As far as my wagon goes ? It’s pretty much shit…
Iece is the only one who’s legit on my wagon, as he asked for more content from me..he knows how I play, so I see this as town vote..
Everyone else’s is for shit reasoning…
GCBC has had his shit parked on me since #131
Matt’s vote....parked...
And Nero’s the type to vote me just to vote me…

Rest of my reads for those that care:

Milk

- is town.

Iece

- is town.

Amrun

- worries me…I always have a hard time reading her…and I don’t know what to think of her exchange with Ghost just yet…

GCBC

-is probably town, as much as I don’t care for his posting, he did defend Ghost and I doubt he’d tie himself to scum this early…

Nero

- will take a bit of time for me to read…

Ms Des

– I have her (sorry HD, I think of MsM as the main head here) as null, leaning scum…she gets pretty flippant with her replies as scum (like she did with me above)…

Selkies

– I still like Selkies for town

Matt

– is null.

ThAd

– has been pretty quiet so far which I don’t like…he mainly only touched on Milk and Selkies,(said he was tempted to vote on Selkies) yet votes on AMrun for no real reason..then when that gets attention, he moves it back to Milk…i would put him in my possible scum pile…

Belis

– meh..not sure….he’s pretty much posted a bunch of….well nothing…

Demon

– I still have him in my town pile…

[sword_of_omens]

also

@Mod: ...Holiday weekend..
so i will be V/LA

i'll pop in by phose as avail..

[Nero Cain]

And Nero’s the type to vote me just to vote me…

no.

[Ghostlin]

Curious here, Gostlin…I don’t remember playing in a game with you before…so why would you feel that I am smart enough to use L-1 in “that matter”? Especially since I don’t have much post history in this game to compare it to…Also, if you’ve ever heard Nero tell it , he would say I am a shit player who needs other people to stick up for me . Please correct me if I’m wrong, Nero…Also, how exactly is my vote unnecessary again? Just because it echoes other people?

Yes. Yes. A FUCKING BILLION TIMES YES. It shows complete lack of thought, frankly. It shows all of the good vibes for being the L-1 slot and makes you feel syrupy and good. You probably FUCKING chortled when you cast that vote.

Plus, the whole 'I don't know if we've played in a game before' is bullshit since I've seen you around before. I may have not played in a game with you, but this isn't your first rodeo, isn't it?

(Plus, really, LOL I'M A NEWB? Horrible, scummy defense. Let me change that LOL, YOU CAN'T TELL I'VE NEVER PLAYED MAFIA AND DON'T KNOW HOW L-1 LOOKS TO TOWNS is even worse.)

[Ghostlin]

But sure, let me touch a little more on you for a minute:
Your blatant crumbs were bad. I thought long and hard on you to try and figure out the motivation behind it…
There are 2 options here:
1. you could be town horribly crumbing your role for god knows why.
2. you could scum trying to town to obv-crumb to look town.

If it was 1 and you were town, then please pray tell…look at Milk’s ISO and tell me again why you think he is scum.
Seriously, I want you to start at #130. And then tell me...You would see it if you were town…
And what would be the point of obv-crumbing so blatantly as town? I can't find a single one....at all…

Here’s what I think Ghost…
I think you are scum….
In fact, i’d bet a kingdom on it…

You are scum trying to crumb your shit to appear obv-town and draw out town PR’s.
IF you WERE town, and had read that town PM, then you would know WHY it would be a BAD BAD BAD idea to do what you did.


VOTE: Ghostlin

We're not talking about Milk right now, cupcake. We're talking about you. Nice deflection, however. You had the opportunity to vote me before my spat with Amrun and you didn't, and now you're dipping into the 'hrr, the breadcrumbs are lame' not-a-defense. Honestly, thanks for biting down on this hard, I was beginning to despair obv scum wouldn't take this chance to shake a bit into the the Town PR mislynch.

Oh, there IS a reason, not a GOOD one maybe, but there IS a reason I did what I did. TWO, actually, and I ain't going to GIVE you that.

Tell you what. LYNCH ME. I FUCKING DARE YOU. We can make this 1v1 anytime you want, SOO. Any. Fucking. Time.

[sword_of_omens]

fine by me you if you want to be a little shit about it...

you ain't town cause if you were and you read your shit you'd know what you did..


walker my ass...

confirm vote: Ghost

[milkshake]

Ghostlin is scum ob-crumbing in order to appear town? It seems like a stretch to me. Is Ghostlin really that much of a conniving scum player? I really can't agree with your analysis, Sword_Of_Omens.

Wait, I had just agreed that MattP was null, haha. I dunno, I agree that the evidence doesn't really support my town read but it's just my read I guess. "Gut," I guess.

People are just going to ignore this?

VOTE: Milkshake

To be clear, the evidence doesn't support a scum read either, obviously. The evidence supports a null read.

[Demon]

Is Matt usually this disengaged with the game?

[MattP]

Look at fortnight

I picked up at the end of that game but in general since my comp crashed I've just been disengaged with my games and haven't fully caught up

I just finished school and have a mafia meet coming up

[ThAdmiral]

fine by me you if you want to be a little shit about it...

you ain't town cause if you were and you read your shit you'd know what you did..


walker my ass...

confirm vote: Ghost

I'm a better chance of being lynched to be fair.

[ThAdmiral]

^^ what I mean by that is you should probably vote me instead. Or do you plan to shift to me if my wagon gets any bigger?

[Miss Destroyer]

Ms Des – I have her (sorry HD, I think of MsM as the main head here) as null, leaning scum…she gets pretty flippant with her replies as scum (like she did with me above)…

and I don't do this as town?

anyway, I'm not liking your push on Ghost and I'm curious to why you choose to push him over me. You have never been shy to attack me when you are town, why aren't you pushing me now Swords?

[Miss Destroyer]

~Mara

[Ghostlin]

fine by me you if you want to be a little shit about it...

you ain't town cause if you were and you read your shit you'd know what you did..


walker my ass...

confirm vote: Ghost

I'm a better chance of being lynched to be fair.

^^ what I mean by that is you should probably vote me instead. Or do you plan to shift to me if my wagon gets any bigger?

I don't like this post. It's either a bizarre defense of me, or Ad trying to gain Town points by light offering his wagon instead of lynching me. (Or both, I guess they're not exclusive.) Almost if he wants to come out, say I'm town but just stops shy of doing it.

There's some juicy bullshit in SOO's reads, and we'll talk about his scum slots here in a second.

[Ghostlin]

Ms Des – I have her (sorry HD, I think of MsM as the main head here)

as null, leaning scum

…she gets pretty flippant with her replies as scum (like she did with me above)…
ThAd – has been pretty quiet so far which I don’t like…he mainly only touched on Milk and Selkies,(said he was tempted to vote on Selkies) yet votes on AMrun for no real reason..then when that gets attention, he moves it back to Milk…i would put him in my

possible scum pile

…

See the bold above? Who the fuck uses this language in talking about scum reads? These are supposed to be his possible alternative lynches to me, and they read more like 'well, this person's null-scum, and this person might be scum...'

Jesus Christ. We're not even talking derivative, we're talking wishy-washy fence sitting bullshit that doesn't show utter commitment. His hard push on me only came when I called him on how fucking inconsistent he is and he has the gall to light push two other people as scum without even really pushing them.

[ThAdmiral]

I'd be willing to get on sword of omens now tbh

[milkshake]

I still don't think flip-flopping, being wishy washy, or inconsistent or whatever you call it makes you scum.

I mean, that's why people usually vote for me... for example, this game. And I'm not scum.

[Belisarius]

Who the fuck uses this language in talking about scum reads?

Uh, at least one town player every single game I've ever played?