Open 493 - Jungle Republic. (Game Over - Werewolf Victory)

[kuribo]

jesus, i seriously thought mac had hammered her


and i was pissed that she was arguing against her lynch instead of posting her reads

[kuribo]

Princess, take this as your formal fucking warning.

Either Bacde or I will hammer you.

If he doesn't do it, you have until the time I finish reading this game to post your reads.

It might be tonight. It might be tomorrow. Might take me all weekend, who knows? 50 pages is alot of derp.

But if I finish reading this game, and you haven't coughed up something besides endless appeal to emotion, I *WILL* drop the fucking bomb on you in ten seconds and then forget you forever in the following five.

[kuribo]

page 1 down. Tick tock, Clarice.

[zabriel]

Vote Count 3.5

Bulba (Egg) - L-4

Princess Proton (Goodmorning, Syryana, Mac, Bulba) - L-1

Day 3 will end in (expired on 2013-05-30 23:00:00). With 8 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.

[kuribo]

EGG WHY ARE YOU VOTING BULBA

[Princess Proton]

Why didn't you fully read the game when you first replaced in?

Because I didn't need to? Because I was lazy? Pick one.

[Princess Proton]

Princess, take this as your formal fucking warning.

Consider me warned. And underwhelmed. Why don't you put your fancy shiny hammer in your pocket and make people post logical reasons for being on my wagon in the first place? Because THAT is what is going to net you scum going forward. Not my stupid uninformed VT reads. Who gives a crap about my reads? They wont be worth the electrons required to print the fonts after my VT flip. Because NOBODY cares about the reads of dead VT. Pretending otherwise is nonsense.

I've been fine with my lynch going down as long as people are on record as to why they were on my wagon in the first place. And don't give me any of this "because you didn't post reads - waaah waaah waaah" nonsense because that's all pomp and an attempt at hand waving rather than answering what should be a simple question. I have asked countless times for people to simply quote a non wifom/gut reason for my slot being scum. All I get back is "because..." Which isn't really an answer. So I push it again. "Well... uh... there are reasons! They have been stated." Great. So link to one. LINK TO

ONE

.

[Bulbazak]

Why didn't you fully read the game when you first replaced in?

Because I didn't need to?

Why didn't you need to?

Because I was lazy?

That certainly doesn't seem to be the case.

Pick one.

Going to go with "Because you are scum".

I've been fine with my lynch going down as long as people are on record as to why they were on my wagon in the first place. And don't give me any of this "because you didn't post reads - waaah waaah waaah" nonsense because that's all pomp and an attempt at hand waving rather than answering what should be a simple question. I have asked countless times for people to simply quote a non wifom/gut reason for my slot being scum. All I get back is "because..." Which isn't really an answer. So I push it again. "Well... uh... there are reasons! They have been stated." Great. So link to one. LINK TO

ONE

.

Sorry about taking so long. My life has gotten rather hectic recently, but I'm back. Going to outline the Princess as mafia case first, and then move on to responses:

you should probably start contributing because the way things look everyone is going to keep disagreeing about our top scumreads and then you will be the compromise lynch of the day at this rate

o7

I'm Town. Just found the thread. Reading now.

Princess was under considerable pressure, and as Bacde said, would have probably been the lynch, as everybody had her slot as scum of some sort. The first thing she does when she replaces in is say that she is town. This seems forced and overdone, as the first thing town would say would not be "I'm town." That's something that scum say to try to appear town. In fact, town tends to not emphasize their alignment as town as much as scum try to, mainly because town knows that they're town and really don't care to repeatedly inform everyone, instead wanting to just find scum.

17 minutes later (of "reading" the thread):

VOTE: Klick

Well. THAT was easy. Klick is the other werewolf. Now we just have to find the mafia goons.

4 minutes after that, Klick self hammers (That was quick...). 2 minutes after that:

^Good Voting^

Translation: "Thanks partner for helping me with the towncred!"

She has then been trying to use that lynch as reason for why she is town (towncred):

I'm not Autti and I'm Town. Also, I helped lynch a non Town as my very first vote. That buys me at least one opportunity to be wrong. So stop tunneling on me because of the former occupant of this slot.

Again she overemphasizes her "towniness", and she is pushing incredibly hard for towncred from the Klick lynch. Her Klick vote, Klick's reaction, and her response to Klick look like partner interaction and her bussing a buddy for towncred. The only way that could happen would be if she was mafia, and not the wolf. It was apparent to me immediately when reading the thread, which is why I am repeatedly saying that Princess is not wolf, but rather mafia.

[kuribo]

Because NOBODY cares about the reads of dead VT. Pretending otherwise is nonsense.

Screw you. I spend post after post after post AFTER POST


bitching and complaining about site meta being to ignore the dead


if anyone here is gonna take your reads to heart, it's me


help your fucking town or get strung

[Princess Proton]

Why didn't you need to?

Because I found scum in like 1 minute. Confirmed it in 10.

Why are you pretending like a. I haven't already responded to 1153 and b. that's a case not based in wifom and gut? Your big "case" is that I said I was Town when I replaced in. I already told you why you are stupid for pretending I would have no reason for saying I'm Town. I even quoted the post that greeted me that would cause me to claim I was Town. So yeah, you aren't listening. And you aren't making a case.

[Princess Proton]

if anyone here is gonna take your reads to heart, it's me

I know it looks OMGUSy but Bulb pretending to have a case, realizing he doesn't have one, then throwing something up on the screen that he forgot I already addressed looks pretty freaking fishy to me.

I also find it hard to believe both Bacde and Syrana are Town. Of the two I'm leaning scum on Syryana. Make that jackoff put in some effort or string him up.

Not sure what to make of Mac or GM. They are likely VT skimming the thread.

I think Egg is the next easy mislynch. Don't let it through.

I had TNE Town. You're just solidifying that read.

Good luck.

[Bulbazak]

Why didn't you need to?

Because I found scum in like 1 minute. Confirmed it in 10.

You hopped on the biggest wagon at the time. That's not finding scum. That's opportunism.

Your big "case" is that I said I was Town when I replaced in. I already told you why you are stupid for pretending I would have no reason for saying I'm Town. I even quoted the post that greeted me that would cause me to claim I was Town. So yeah, you aren't listening. And you aren't making a case.

Actually, that's not my case. That's the least important point of my case. My case is that you hopped onto the biggest wagon of the day to save yourself, since you were likely to be lynched soon. Your interaction with Klick makes me think that it was a bus for towncred, and that he was helping you out. Your push for towncred based on this lynch confirms it. That's not WIFOM (you're using the term wrong), that's observation and deduction. Why the need to strawman me?

P-edit: You said that no one had a case on you, and that if they did, they should link it. I posted my case. Don't start that crap, especially when you asked for it.

[Princess Proton]

My case is that you hopped onto the biggest wagon of the day to save yourself, since you were likely to be lynched soon.

See all this stuff right here? You made it all up in your head. I'm not going to keep relinking the game for you but this has been addressed. And it's all based on confirmation bias. Which is pretty much the same as "gut." That would all make sense if it had been done by someone that had already flipped Town but has no business in a case on a person whose alignment you couldn't possibly know. So that tells me that you likely knew the alignments of other players. Like your partners.

[Princess Proton]

You said that no one had a case on you, and that if they did, they should link it. I posted my case. Don't start that crap, especially when you asked for it.

Nope. This is what I asked for.

I have asked countless times for people to simply

quote a non wifom/gut reason

for my slot being scum.

You failed to deliver.

[Bulbazak]

My case is that you hopped onto the biggest wagon of the day to save yourself, since you were likely to be lynched soon.

See all this stuff right here? You made it all up in your head.

Nope. My case has been pretty consistent all day.

I'm not going to keep relinking the game for you but this has been addressed.

Inadequately I might add. Just because you say "Nuh uh" does not mean that my case is disproven. In fact, I've actually shown several of your assertions to be false.

And it's all based on confirmation bias.

How's that exactly? Because it's starting to look like you'll say anything to discredit me.

Which is pretty much the same as "gut."

No it's not. Giving a reason why you think someone is scum is not gut.

That would all make sense if it had been done by someone that had already flipped Town but has no business in a case on a person whose alignment you couldn't possibly know.

What?

So that tells me that you likely knew the alignments of other players. Like your partners.

Wait a minute... I thought you said I was suffering from confirmation bias, which would make me town. How am I magically scum 3 sentences later?

[Mac]

so who is willing to drop the hammer?

[zabriel]

It's been almost a full day since anybody has posted. Ya'll should get on that.

[Egg]

Kuribo, bulb is scum because:
-a lot of his posts don't seem genuine. This is especially true in his princess case. I don't think he honestly thinks she is scum. She's just a lynch that isn't him and will probably happen so he likes it. He's painting bad play to look scummy.
-he reacted to blatant seer crumbs by fuzzy (who has since flipped scum) by voting him. Although looking back if he was werewolf he'd have known fuzzy wasn't the seer and if he was mafia he wouldn't have cared as much so while this was one of my major points, it's no longer valid.
-I was trying to convince the wolves to shoot for mafia by making it look like it helps both us and them and bulb told me it was scummy to try to direct scum's kill. I think he saw what I was doing and tried to discredit it (although that's more a mafia tell than werewolf I guess).
-connections to fuzzy. I explain this in post 153.
-Day 1, his icebox vote didn't appear genuine at all.

[kuribo]

The only one I really see that's incredibly valid is connections to fuzzy

and I haven't read that post yet so I can't comment on how valid the connections are


the rest of your points are invalid either by my own opinion or by your own admission

[Bulbazak]

Kuribo, bulb is scum because:
-a lot of his posts don't seem genuine. This is especially true in his princess case. I don't think he honestly thinks she is scum. She's just a lynch that isn't him and will probably happen so he likes it. He's painting bad play to look scummy.

Quote an example that looks faked and why.

-he reacted to blatant seer crumbs by fuzzy (who has since flipped scum) by voting him. Although looking back if he was werewolf he'd have known fuzzy wasn't the seer and if he was mafia he wouldn't have cared as much so while this was one of my major points, it's no longer valid.

How could I react to crumbs that I never thought existed in the first place? Voting for Fuzzy had nothing to do with him "breadcrumbing".

Also, don't discredit your own cases. It makes you look silly.

-I was trying to convince the wolves to shoot for mafia by making it look like it helps both us and them and bulb told me it was scummy to try to direct scum's kill. I think he saw what I was doing and tried to discredit it (although that's more a mafia tell than werewolf I guess).

Hmm... Main point of the post me thinks. The whole point is not to call me scum, but to discredit my case on you.

-connections to fuzzy. I explain this in post 153.

Yes, I say I can't read him. What a lovely case that is...

-Day 1, his icebox vote didn't appear genuine at all.

What seemed fake about it?

[Bacde]

I also find it hard to believe both Bacde and Syrana are Town. Of the two I'm leaning scum on Syryana. Make that jackoff put in some effort or string him up.

Why?

this is your most interesting read to me, as I have Syr as pretty strong town

if you flip VT, this will be the thing that I pay the most attention to if your reasoning is good

[goodmorning]

It's been almost a full day since anybody has posted. Ya'll should get on that.

I unexpectedly ended up at the beach.


I have nothing more to say really, but after Princess's flip I think I'll read up overnight on Bulba, Egg, and Syr as the three who look most odd to me.
Bacde is almost certainly Town. kuribo I probably can't read anyway. Mac looks Town to me right now.

[kuribo]

kuribo I probably can't read anyway.

why do people always say this, I'm easy to read

[goodmorning]

Because of your ferocious gambit skills

[kuribo]

eh fair enough