Khan's Wacky Xylbot II Mafia (Mini 1441) (Game Over)

[Oversoul]

How were you able to use the invention the night you received it?

...This is a dumb question, OS.

I don't see it as such although I think I get what you're hinting at.

[Voidedmafia]

I don't see it as such although I think I get what you're hinting at.

What, exactly, would stop me from using the ability the same night that I got it? Only way that would be possible is if Khan sent the PM with the item to me at the start of D2 so I'd only be able to use it N2. (and if that were the case, if I did hypothetically use it N2 it wouldn't have worked cuz serra)

[serrapaladin]

Voided: When I asked you about being able to confirm on D2 you said you had to check your PM. Surely if you'd actually used it N1 you'd have known it to work. Also, how would that even work? Aren't night actions resolved at the end of the night? If it's intended for you to use on the same night, that's a pretty bad system as shos could have waited until DL to submit his action.

[Voidedmafia]

When I asked you about being able to confirm on D2 you said you had to check your PM

Confirm what exactly I had recieved. I knew since N1 that I had gotten

something

, but at the time you asked I was fuzzy on what exactly it was.

I know what it is now (though I might have to look again to be sure of the name), but I still see no reason to out what it is.

Also, how would that even work? Aren't night actions resolved at the end of the night? If it's intended for you to use on the same night, that's a pretty bad system as shos could have waited until DL to submit his action.

Well, yes, that's true. So do you think that scum-shos or town-shos would be more likely to wait until DL to give me the item?

[Oversoul]

I don't see it as such although I think I get what you're hinting at.

What, exactly, would stop me from using the ability the same night that I got it? Only way that would be possible is if Khan sent the PM with the item to me at the start of D2 so I'd only be able to use it N2. (and if that were the case, if I did hypothetically use it N2 it wouldn't have worked cuz serra)

Because that's how normal inventors work?

I don't think I've ever really heard of the rapid action resolution version that you are claiming.

And if that is the case, then Pim could have used the ability he received last night instead of voteblocking but he didn't.

[serrapaladin]

I highly doubt that's possible.

Night actions are resolved at the end of the night for a reason. Are you saying if shos had been roleblocked the success of the roleblock depends on whether it is submitted before or after his inventor action?

[Voidedmafia]

All I know is that N1 I recieved an ability and used that ability in the same night. Currently only Shos's claim seems to give any possible reason for why I should have it. (I'm starting have slight doubts as to if an inventor could give this role at all now that I look at it again, but still).

Unless you're going to say that I got an ability out of blue N1, someone else had to have given it to me if Shos did not.

P-EDIT: *shrug* Or the action that gave it to me was a day action.

[The Rufflig]

As serrapaladin's claim makes this mylo, I've changed my mind.

I am in favor of a mass claim.

[Voidedmafia]

As serrapaladin's claim makes this mylo, I've changed my mind.

I am in favor of a mass claim.

Should I assume I'm going first at this point?

Do you have a list or am I popcorning?

(Also, am I correct in that only shos and serra have fullclaimed out of those alive?)

[Oversoul]

I mean, I have basically full claimed already

[Voidedmafia]

You did?

[shos]

Lolwut, voised is lying. Theres no way he got the ability and used it the same night. I sent the action late at night and i highly doubt practically everything he says, and superdiubt that xylbot works that way.

Told yall.

!vote voided

[Voidedmafia]

Lolwut, voised is lying. Theres no way he got the ability and used it the same night. I sent the action late at night and i highly doubt practically everything he says, and superdiubt that xylbot works that way.

Told yall.

!vote voided

You want me to get timestamps when I claim, too?

[The Rufflig]

Now, Ruffling, explain what I would get by intentionally lying about this.

Hypothetically, you're protecting serrapaladin from being lynched by sacrificing yourself and this was planned ahead of time. There you go, possible scummy motive.

As far as the mass claim goes, I was trying to drum up support for the idea. If there isn't enough support, then it won't happen.

[Voidedmafia]

Hypothetically, you're protecting serrapaladin from being lynched by sacrificing yourself and this was planned ahead of time. There you go, possible scummy motive.

so I, as scum, when asked by buddy-serra if I used an item N2, claim that I did so while knowing that I never receieved one that night.

At a later date, when pushed on by serra that I'm lying, I admit to such to sacrifice myself to give serra townpoints?

Is this correct?

[Oversoul]

I am okay with mass claim as I have been for a while

[The Rufflig]

so I, as scum, when asked by buddy-serra if I used an item N2, claim that I did so while knowing that I never receieved one that night.

At a later date, when pushed on by serra that I'm lying, I admit to such to sacrifice myself to give serra townpoints?

Is this correct?

The first half, no. The second half, yes. Though the reason may not entirely be town points. serrapaladin may have an ability that will make it much easier for him to win than for you to win. There is also a remote chance that serrapaladin is a cultist leader. In which case, you would have to sacrifice yourself for him.

Anyway you look at it, you are avoiding the questions put to you by spouting some of the most inane tripe. There are seven other players in this game besides you. Only 4 of them have seen your latest remarks. All 4 of them are questioning you heavily about them. What do you think the other 3 are going to do when they show up? Lame excuses like 'maybe I received it during the day' aren't going to cut it when shos has already said that he works at night. It really looks like you are trying to get yourself lynched.

[Oversoul]

I'm not sure I buy the theory that Voided is trying to get lynched to save buddy serra especially if you think this is MyLo with serra's claim.

Why wouldn't they just move onto someone who isn't their buddy and attempt to get them lynched?

[Voidedmafia]

Anyway you look at it, you are avoiding the questions put to you by spouting some of the most inane tripe.

and what questions have I avoided?

Besides, I suggested the day part after I listed some other plausible reasons, so...

[Voidedmafia]

The first half, no.

Why?

[Syryana]

Will catch up in this game soon

[serrapaladin]

Rufflig, do you really think I would set up my scumbuddy like that?

When shos first claimed inventor I already intended to use my ability to block Voided so as to implicate shos. That's why D2 I was so interested in the ability shos gave him and whether he could confirm shos. For your theory about us to make sense, we would have had to plan his sacrifice N1, which is entirely far-fetched.

Voided, if you allegedly didn't use shos' skill last night but N1, did you use another skill last night that I blocked?

[The Rufflig]

I'm not sure I buy the theory that Voided is trying to get lynched to save buddy serra especially if you think this is MyLo with serra's claim.

Why wouldn't they just move onto someone who isn't their buddy and attempt to get them lynched?

I am not insisting that my reason is correct. It is just one possible reason. What I do feel is that Voidedmafia's play does not make sense from a townie perspective.

One of the reasons that shos seemed cleared as an inventor was because that Voidedmafia was not killed or blocked. Now Voidedmafia is all like "Oh, yeah. I was blocked last night. That wasn't important or anything, right? LOL!". Yeah, it was important and I see no reason for a town aligned Voidedmafia to have kept it to himself especially as he was directly asked! What reason would he have to do that from a townie perspective? Why won't he explain it? Go read the serrapaladin and Voidedmafia exchange again from the beginning of the day. It's all there. Everything from having used the ability N2 (not during the day, but at night) to the ability working correctly (making malfunctioning inventor less likely). This misdirection was deliberate.

[Voidedmafia]

I didn't get anything N2.

P-EDIT: No, I was not like that at all. Stop making me look like some stupid jackass when that's not the right picture.

[Voidedmafia]

One of the reasons that shos seemed cleared as an inventor was because that Voidedmafia was not killed or blocked

On N1, mind. This still holds regardless of what I've said, btw.

Now Voidedmafia is all like "Oh, yeah. I was blocked last night. That wasn't important or anything, right? LOL!".

Quote where I said being blocked isn't important or this is baseless mudslinging. hell, quote where I admitted I was blocked, or this is also misrepping.

Yeah, it was important and I see no reason for a town aligned Voidedmafia to have kept it to himself especially as he was directly asked!

Who directly asked if I was blocked? I was asked if I used anything N2, not if I was blocked.

Everything from having used the ability N2

Already fixed this and said I did not see him specifically state that he meant N2. I thought he was referring back to N1 again when he asked.

Also, IIRC Shos had already said he had sent an item to PimHel by the time Serra asked, so who would I have gotten anything from (correct me if I'm wrong on this, though)

What reason would he have to do that from a townie perspective? Why won't he explain it?

Explain

what?!

You're demanding me to answer questions that you (or anyone else) never asked, and then calling me scummy because I didn't answer these imaginary questions. You've also completely ignored my request for you to quote ANY questions I may have missed/answered unsatisfactorily (mainly missed, but I'm expanding the criteria to include the latter), so if you still want to contend that I did, stop insinuating imaginary questions and produce real ones.

Everything from having used the ability N2 (not during the day, but at night) to the ability working correctly (making malfunctioning inventor less likely

Again, this all is for N1, not N2.

You've also ignored where I asked you to explain why the first part of my hypothetical scenario is wrong.