Open 500 - Popcorn Mafia: Game Over!

[TheIrishPope]

Do you want to be shot?

[TheIrishPope]

Nacho, please don't shoot us, I don't wanna be the gun bearer again. Coming to a decision with two heads was hard enough, can't imagine how long it'll take for all three of us to come to a decision to shoot and it was nerve-wracking as fuck.

I find this extremely suspicious btw.

[Fegelein]

@Don: The reaction test where Kerb said they were scum.

[notscience]

I don't get why you want to be shot.

Given his join date, it's a newbie desperate for a strong role, or scum taking a really huge risk.

[Kerberos]

Oh well... You all know it was me anyway..

Nacho, please don't shoot us, I don't wanna be the gun bearer again. Coming to a decision with two heads was hard enough, can't imagine how long it'll take for all three of us to come to a decision to shoot and it was nerve-wracking as fuck.

I find this extremely suspicious btw.

Yeah? why.

and why are you avoiding my question to you?

~Mara

[borkjerfkin]

i fully support blasting the hydra. kind of a win win with that.

a confirmed hydra is probably a better shooter than a single player account.

and dead scum is, well, dead scum. i probably would have already shot them myself. your patience is commendable.

This is the only really scummy thing I've seen yet -- mainly because I don't actually think you'd do that with the gun. I don't know how the underlined is even close to a strong enough point for you do up and say that icing the hydra is a huge pro-town move regardless of what they flip.

[TheIrishPope]

"Oh Nacho please don't shoot us because we will be revealed as scum"
You think we wouldn't have caught on?
I already answered your question.

[borkjerfkin]

Nacho --> Jacob, Jacob is scum, we win.
Nacho --> Jacob, Jacob is town, Nacho dies, Jacob gets gun.
Jacob --> TIP, TIP is town, Jacob dies, TIP gets gun.
Jacob --> TIP, TIP is scum, Town wins.

The middle two of these scenarios blow; how is this superior to just scumhunting normally? Why is it important that we go after Jacob of all people and not someone else?

[Kerberos]

Hey TIP, hey TIP.

Ever played in a hydra account before?

~Mala

[TheIrishPope]

I don't get why you want to be shot.

Given his join date, it's a newbie desperate for a strong role, or scum taking a really huge risk.

A 3 week difference gives you an edge?

Nacho --> Jacob, Jacob is scum, we win.
Nacho --> Jacob, Jacob is town, Nacho dies, Jacob gets gun.
Jacob --> TIP, TIP is town, Jacob dies, TIP gets gun.
Jacob --> TIP, TIP is scum, Town wins.

The middle two of these scenarios blow; how is this superior to just scumhunting normally? Why is it important that we go after Jacob of all people and not someone else?

Because Jacob, in my mind, is scum. So it is better to shoot him now.

Hey TIP, hey TIP.

Ever played in a hydra account before?

~Mala

Hi Mala. Never.

[Kerberos]

oh...

that little flow-chart was your answer to my question?

wow... uh.. ok

Do you honestly think that we will win after shooting one scum, when there's four?


and no, that is no where near what I was saying. Nacho knows exactly what I'm talking about and then there's the fact that me telling him to shoot us would be asking for his death, and I don't really want Nacho dead. Syry I might not mind, but not Nacho

~Mara

[TheIrishPope]

I would put the gun at good use.

This was the answer, really.
When one scum falls, it's a domino effect. It's a straight win for Town.
I am not Nacho. Please explain this to me.

[borkjerfkin]

Because Jacob, in my mind, is scum. So it is better to shoot him now

That's not really the angle you were pushing in the post I quoted. You said shooting him gives tons of information -- how is shooting him right now different than shooting someone else, infowise?

How do you possibly have a strong enough scumread on Jacob that you want him dead now? He hasn't posted a damn thing of value yet. It seems like you're trying to subtly push the information point to cover the fact that you want him dead with more confidence than your read on him should dictate.

[Kerberos]

Let's just say there's something called hydra dissonant and depending how often you play with hydra's - you'll see it during the games.

You might find Mara's posts suspicious, but anyone who has been in a hydra might feel a different way because they have experienced how hard it is for two heads to come to a single decision on whatever decision it might be.

Why is Jacob scum?

~Mala

[don_johnson]

hi marangal. you are the head i trust. please discourage mollie from posting whenever possible.

I don't get why you want to be shot.

i don't get the impression that TIP wants to be shot. he is specifically asking for someon else to be shot.

@Don: The reaction test where Kerb said they were scum.

tell me more about this. did someone react? why would anyone take such a declaration seriously?

i fully support blasting the hydra. kind of a win win with that.

a confirmed hydra is probably a better shooter than a single player account.

and dead scum is, well, dead scum. i probably would have already shot them myself. your patience is commendable.

This is the only really scummy thing I've seen yet -- mainly because I don't actually think you'd do that with the gun. I don't know how the underlined is even close to a strong enough point for you do up and say that icing the hydra is a huge pro-town move regardless of what they flip.

you obviously don't know me. and are an idiot. have you ever heard the saying "two heads are better than one?" there is basically thousands of years of evidence to support it. so whatevz.

[notscience]

TIP, page 3 and I've already been misrepped by you. Someone asked why you'd want to be shot, I gave an answer.

[borkjerfkin]

you obviously don't know me. and are an idiot. have you ever heard the saying "two heads are better than one?" there is basically thousands of years of evidence to support it. so whatevz.

What the fuck prompted that reaction?

[Wisdom]

i don't get the impression that TIP wants to be shot. he is specifically asking for someon else to be shot.

And keeps saying that the someone else should shoot him if he is town.

[don_johnson]

you obviously don't know me. and are an idiot. have you ever heard the saying "two heads are better than one?" there is basically thousands of years of evidence to support it. so whatevz.

What the fuck prompted that reaction?

you obviously don't know me. and are an idiot.

i don't get the impression that TIP wants to be shot. he is specifically asking for someon else to be shot.

And keeps saying that the someone else should shoot him if he is town.

how many times has he said this?

[borkjerfkin]

If this is gonna be a game full of ad hominem from you just tell me now so I can go on record saying I want you dead and ignore you the rest of the game. You also didn't really address my point -- should we just policy shoot hydras in this setup simply because they're hydras? Would you go on record saying that this is a good idea?

[Wisdom]

how many times has he said this?

Two, 43 and 48.

[don_johnson]

on the record: shooting hydras is a great idea. and no, this doesn't have to be a game full of ad hominem. i only call it like i see it. if you choose to ignore thousands of years of evidence supporting a commonly known statement, i am going to call you an idiot. its nothing personal. just the truth.

[don_johnson]

how many times has he said this?

Two, 43 and 48.

43 is him proposing an idea. 48 is in response to a question about said idea. whats the issue?

[TheIrishPope]

Because Jacob, in my mind, is scum. So it is better to shoot him now

That's not really the angle you were pushing in the post I quoted. You said shooting him gives tons of information -- how is shooting him right now different than shooting someone else, infowise?

How do you possibly have a strong enough scumread on Jacob that you want him dead now? He hasn't posted a damn thing of value yet. It seems like you're trying to subtly push the information point to cover the fact that you want him dead with more confidence than your read on him should dictate.

Because it's better to shoot scum than to shoot Town?
I want everyone dead. I just want Jacob dead-er. You said it yourself: He hasn't posted a damn thing of value yet.

Let's just say there's something called hydra dissonant and depending how often you play with hydra's - you'll see it during the games.

You might find Mara's posts suspicious, but anyone who has been in a hydra might feel a different way because they have experienced how hard it is for two heads to come to a single decision on whatever decision it might be.

Why is Jacob scum?

~Mala

Hydra dissonance doesn't justify the subject at hand. If Nacho wants to shoot you, and your slot is Town, it shouldn't be too difficult. If you are scum, better for us.
Basically, your argument is "don't shoot us or this game we signed up for will be too hard"
Jacob is scum for the following reasons:
1. Following the Gambler's fallacy,
2. Not making an effort to scumhunt, and
3. Look at ISO#1. In his SECOND post, he asks why you are pressuring him. So I'm thinking Jacob and you three are part of the scum.

Yeah guys, attack arguments, not people.

[borkjerfkin]

Three shitty people (not trying to argue that any of you M girls are such) with a gun is easily worse than one good person with a gun. How is this not obvious?

You said it yourself: He hasn't posted a damn thing of value yet.

Yes. Why is your read on him not null?