Xenoblade Mafia (Game Over)

[TiphaineDeath]

Wow, just wow varsoon.

[Varsoon]

Can I have a cookie? Which one is this, I always confuse you two. And what is happening is that we are playing mafia. Amazing, I know.

Majiffy. The one who capitalizes and uses punctuation.

And

WOW!

What a

revelation!

How about giving me some footnotes about what you think is

actually going on

in the game instead of being a useless twit?

B&B, I may have been wrong about you.

[Varsoon]

Wow, just wow varsoon.

:3

Adorable, but elementary.

[Varsoon]

Wow, just wow varsoon.

:3

Adorable, but elementary.

Sadly, I'm not a lolicon.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

B&B, I may have been wrong about you.

Maybe. Were you reading us as scum? If so, then yes, you were.

[TMTOLBTWNTOF]

ok, basic reads:

Rev - null, but not liking putting his null reads in scum pile.
Cabd - townie
Metal Shounic - null
Varsoon - annoying but town
and AJ - same as always, jerky. leaning scum

Explain the Varsoon read.

Varsoon, I think you're scum at this point, but honestly, I think a lot of it is mob mentality on the part of others, except for Rev. So if you'll kindly redirect me to a post or posts you've made that details every reason you're not scum instead of saying you've been playing town and leaving at that, I'll retract my scumread.

[Varsoon]

ok, basic reads:

Rev - null, but not liking putting his null reads in scum pile.
Cabd - townie
Metal Shounic - null
Varsoon - annoying but town
and AJ - same as always, jerky. leaning scum

Explain the Varsoon read.

Varsoon, I think you're scum at this point, but honestly, I think a lot of it is mob mentality on the part of others, except for Rev. So if you'll kindly redirect me to a post or posts you've made that details every reason you're not scum instead of saying you've been playing town and leaving at that, I'll retract my scumread.

Now I have to ISO myself to prove I'm town to you?
Eh, I'll try.

[Varsoon]

Anyway, I'm out for the day.

I'd like for town to shift focus from Sven and look at everyone else in this game. It's a big game, so keep your heads up and don't tunnel.
We've got time to evaluate a few people before day ends.

In response to:

Spoiler:

@Sajin: pretty obvious what? Please enlighten me because I'm already at the stage where sven's rebuttal looks like he's trying to wiggle out of the situation.

I would forgive his newness to calling the two different aspects of his singular role as "roles" considering they are both standalone role names.

Varsoon is town too.

I'm

always

town. And never any cool roles, like Monado-wielder.

you can have mine. both of them

He even implied you would have to take one you probably would not like (miller) with the one you would like (tracker). I don't think it was a tell at all and is weak reasoning. Additionally it actually makes a lot of sense as it shows me his frustration at the heat a miller claim brings but also acknowledges it as a "cool role" at the same time. That post is one of the main reasons I suspect he is town.

Peeking back in.

Sajin, that vote on me does nothing. Why didn't you ask some questions with it, for me?
Makes me sad, Sajin.
Makes me sad.


Anyway, more out-of-this-game nonsense aside,
I could see how people'd want to lynch Sven.
We've got time, though, so why rush anything?

Ok, Why do you have so many useless fluff posts in thread? Why is your signal to noise ratio horrible? Is this style of posting the usual for you, in your opinion? Why are you sad?

nacho I am here I am all caught up!

okay buldey is making 2 look better for asking you the same question that I did about your read on cabd but I am still going to lay out some thoughts.

I didn't like the way she called sven "dummy". as far as I know that particular loving endearment has been reserved for me but it is more that it is weirdly placed; she only gets that way when as scum, she hasn't really even done it as a special lately probably cos I have gotten better about spotting her special game and will leave her alone. to me she is saying the right stuff and the timing is right but she still feels a bit off. there is a detachment from everything that I do not like. she said in poetic justice that her play on this site is different but the only game we have played together on here is the pj game. I can push her a bit to get a better read but I will be honest, I am tired I am in too many games right now and I was sick for the better part of yesterday. the homestuck game kept putting my heart out of rhythm like I really cannot stand our fights when they get that bad and I know it is unpleasant for her too. I think we are both sick of the dynamic that we have been stuck in for over 2 years. I really don't like how detached she is but buldey just tweaked my towndar a bit and if he continues to do so then I am going to stick with my read which was to townread her. if I get a scumread off of her I will let you know but it will be a buldey/majiffy shitshow that this site has never seen the likes of that is why I was honestly considering replacing out when I told you you are not going to like what I have to say. if you get a town read on buldey and I do too then I am going to just accept that feri's town game is indeed very different on here.

the exchanges between her and sven for a moment smelled like scum theatre and reminded me a bit of her and sparkle in the homestuck game. sven reminds me a bit of me and I am surprised feri never mentioned that. especially with the "wtf is this shit" comment lol. I think it is super risk <little reward for scum to claim miller on d1 cos if there is a vig with half a brain they will make it nowhere near to endgame. miller/tracker on the other hand is a brilliant scum gambit cos it leaves a kernel of possible usefulness that would at least get him to midgame I mean sajin is already like "hey let him live til d3!" and he has a good point, but leaving a scum tracker in the game is REALLY dangerous cos increases scum's potential to find specials. scum would have to be really confident that they could convince town that they were town for realz and would require a lot of skill. I don't know sven so I do not know if he has that skill level or confidence or not.

my earlier town read on sven came from that some of his reactions and thinking matched my own a bit. but the timing of his second claim of miller tracker and not just miller is atrocious I mean it was like someone went boo! and he is like MILLER TRACKER ACK ACK ACK! he did something else I did not like which was to undermine yours and orc's town read on feri, he sounded downright petulant. I see why you think he is scummy but I need to interact with him directly.

gif felt good, sajin too, I like where mac's head is at. staying with orc and you as town. varsoon looked good with the "he is claiming 2 roles is that a slip????"

that is all I got right now

orcinus, re svenskt I'm reminded of borkgame day 2 pretty forcefully. your thoughts?

- f

I've learned my lesson re Sven. But I see where you're coming from

Good morning

Quick skim. Don't like varsoon as usual. TD is shit. Cabd town read got questioned--ill see if I can get to it, phone posting cases doesn't work very well.

Glad to see more people posting. Hi mollie

VOTE: TD

Sheep

jeez peeps 15 pages already? And me sharing a computer this is gonna be interesting...

Yeah I am seeing differences in Sven from the game we played before and miller AND tracker??? that just seems odd combo together.....

So far 2 is looking like leaning town... give me more time and I will be able to solidify more on my read on them. Have played with fery and Bulder before

Played with Nacho loads and so far he feels pretty much his town meta.... Though he does have a tendency to replace into scum slots LOL... but yeah feels towny to me.

Orc hmm I would say leaning Town at this point. Seems like the Orc I know.

B and B I have played with both Mollie and Jiffy several times so will take a good look at their ISO. Should be able to nail a read on them fairly easily.

Not much yet I realize but yeah still V/LA here peeps NS and I are sharing a computer.

Oh news NS and I are now engaged ♥

Why are we still on the Miller/tracker thing and not lynching scum TD? I am very mildly put off that we have yet to focus the minute attention needed to lynch that motherfucker.

Let's face it, TD is scum. If you want Sven to be scum in your happy world, that's fine, too. But confirmed scum die first.

Now tell me who's scummy

Aj

Or Varsoon, the guy who sheeped him

@Sajin: You're probably scum, since you can't figure out anything from what I've posted so far and you're so quick to dismiss me as a useless fluffer of radio noise or whatever wiki-able word you're using this time. You've also been perched pretty conspicuously all game. Who remembers that Sajin is even in this game, off the top of their heads? Not I.
But, really, it makes me sad that you're so cruel, since I can only read you as a town jerk or scum trying to suffocate a weaker voice.

@Beauty&Beast: Think you're reading too much into things, also, I think it was GIF that you should attribute the "is that really a slip" to, rather than me. I could be wrong here, but, eh. Otherwise, I really like your performance in this game, so you're town in my books.

@Orc: Man, what do you have against me? I'd rather be your friend.
Also, why bring up something like "AJ or Varsoon, the guy who sheeped him", when in 367 you do the same thing with your vote?
I feel like you're scum-slipping, and you're trying too hard to play town-leader.

@Rach: Congrats on the engagement! I'm pretty much engaged to school now, myself. Could you give us some scum reads? I don't like how you're typically not very vocal/give very null/town reads. /shrug.

@AJ: oof, I can understand frustration over the focus on Sven's maybe-a-PR status, but this is just too savage. I usually read exasperation as town, but it's a bit bluffy here.



Anyway, my current scum-reads are Orc, TD, GIF, and Sajin.

GIF's not nearly as active as I'd expect, and the plays so far have been the usual buddying with me, but not nearly as much pro-town content as I tend to see there. It's a weaker scum-read to be honest, but I want to see more out of GIF so I can be more sure about the alignment here.

Orc's approach is a headache, as usual. Lots of posts make the thread really difficult to follow, which is disorienting for town, especially since other players feel compelled to respond all the time. It's just a means of letting scum lurk harder and active scum have a bigger voice. Sure, you could argue that a chatty scum is more liable to slip, but I'm not so convinced. After all, most scum play as town as they can, right? Regardless, Orc's voting patterns and inconsistencies really make me want to see Orc as a D1 lynch.

Anyways,
VOTE: Orcinus_theoriginal

You're too infallible and it doesn't sit right. Town should be more skeptical of you.
Also, Orc, lighten up. It doesn't suit you to be so rigid.
Here is funny picture, maybe it will make you laugh.



P-EDIT: Serious bro, chill the more out.
I dislike how you'd like to see more from those on Nacho's town list, but don't mention me.
It's a real heart-breaker.


Also, I'd really like people to use the names of the hydras, rather than their owners'. It makes it less confusing for guys like me.

11: RVS Vote
13: Why even say this? You're pressuring an RVS vote, I guess?
24: In response to what? You really seem to just be throwing a vote down to see what sticks, and this is the first of many. You bring up my sheeping as a cause to put votes on me, but this currently looks like a sheep of Nacho, if anything. You hop on the easiest wagon, which would be one on a D1 PR claim.
27 and post 29: You just seem lynch-hungry rather than actually trying to garner info. It's a lot of "What the Fucks" and "Don't Insult Us", rather than actual worth-a-shit town play.
30: Seems like you don't like absolutes. I'll point out every time you use an absolute from here on out, since you don't seem to think you're inconsistent.
37: "there is obviously a scum motivation behind a fakeclaim" -absolute. " I don't even know where to start in explaining how that doesn't work." -Absolute. It could work.
38: More of the same thing from 13. Now that you're out of RVS, it just seems like a thing you do. Of course, you can explain the wagons you don't clusterfuck over a cliff with "I supported wagons that weren't popular, see? I'm not scum!" Too easy of a break to give you.
57: Despite being so dead-set on Sven as scum, here you return to a player who hasn't even likely been online since your RVS push. It seems like a positioning tactic to come off as more consistent, but it's inconsistent with how you felt about Sven just minutes before.
58: Playing town.
68: Sets up lynches. If Sven is your scum-buddy, that is. If Sven flips town, then this just looks like town-positioning and even I've done this as scum.
81: "Name a Lurker", I really don't see any town motivation to amusing this sort of WIFOM coming from Cabd.
87: So, departing from the pressure that went nowhere and the Sven that you still think is scum, here's a GIF vote because he avoids hot-topics? What about the other half of the playerbase? Literally looks like a vote put on GIF for being active, hinging on levied offenses that are the very things that Orc is decrying in this post.
92: More absolutes, calls Cabd town and all that. Honestly, I've given up on stating every technically absolute thing you've said, but jeeze, man, c'mon.


Ug, I'm only halfway through this ISO on you and it's already a headache. Let's fast-forward:

108: Sonic vote again. Really wants this. Could literally be pressuring one of the fifty-two lurkers but keeps with sonic because town's consistent and Orc sure is town.
119: Throwing the vote around like it is RVS despite the game being 100 posts deep.
133: If the policy of Rach is a joke, it's one made in bad taste. Also, nice townlist. Should be a null-list.
141: Hey, nice to be in another game with you, I look forward to having fun and--oh, no, nevermind, you're a jerk. Refer to my recent posts on why this is a problem.
367: Talked about this already. The fact you keep an RVS-esque joke thrown down during 200 posts is really strange, given your voting methods so far and the fact you're so opposed to me/see me as scum.
436: Weak rationale on a weak vote on another new entry. Again, seem to be just tossing around a vote.
667: 200 posts later, a return to the TD wagon that didn't push itself enough, I guess. You never stay with any wagon, but seem to bounce to what makes sense at the time.
679: Am I supposed to read your votes as pressure? Why aren't you squeezing harder and on more questionable players? The most active players are Nacho, 2, and Sven, outside of you.

dntfkingcare
Sajin
TiphaineDeath
Andrius
Aj The Epic
Ghostlin
BROseidon 2
Metal Sonic
TMTOLBTWNTOF
fferyllt

These people all have less than 10 posts in a thread verging on 700 total.
Orc and pals, can you be less chatty?
Go talk to people in AIM or something.
It's literally noise -and- confusion, and it lets players like TD and AJ, who have been pressured fairly, just sit back and do nothing while others gab, waffle, and WIFOM the game into oblivion.


P-EDIT:
To your questions,

So, a relatively inexperienced player can't understand a typical scummy mentality? Cool. Let's talk in more absolutes, since you're so fond of them.
Or not.

I'd prefer to leave other games out of the discussion of this game because people should be judged solely on their performance in this game to find their alignment in -this- game.
You mentioned not liking meta-defenses earlier, I figure you'd actually understand where I'm coming from with this.

A player could play a literal thousand games of mafia and never be in one setup with a miller.
I'd like it if you'd stop trying to debunk my authority and voice solely because I am speaking with how I would see scum versus my limited knowledge of the hundreds of possible mafia roles.
It's a shitty approach, not only in-game, but also from the perspective of personal interaction, because you're not only attacking the validity of what I have to say here, but of my voice entirely.

It doesn't matter if something is or isn't intended as a reaction test if it gets reactions. Sven's claim pulled us out of a stagnant RVS and gave this game direction. Scum or not, Sven's PR claim helps town due to the posts surrounding it and the activity it has caused.

Oh, cool, nevermind what I have to say, it's an OMGUSBUSRUSIDGAF. I'm glad you can continue to write me off with game terminology. "I don't have to listen to you, noob." That's a damn good place to be. Also, every person who ever voted someone in response never did so for pro-town reasons, it's always OMGUS, am I right?

What I'm saying, although less eloquently there than here, is that you're commanding too much authority with your posts, when you're not spending time distancing yourself from any of that with "They were sheeps" and just one-line reactions that make this thread as long and hectic of a read as it currently is.

If you are town, I'd like to see you play it more authentically, rather then looking a whole lot like a scummy player covering his tracks and generating a lot of noise over nothing.

Ultimately, your play-style has been loud, but without substance. Your defenses seem more like backpedaling rather than standing your ground. The average user has posts about 10~20 times in this forum and you've made over 100 posts, and to what end?
You also support a really suffocating, elitist playstyle towards me, at the very least. I'd like to have a fun game with everyone in this thread, regardless of alignment, and it's pretty damn unfair how you've been towards me.
So, yeah, I hold a vote on you for personal reasons coupled with logical ones.
You're scum, through-and-through.

Keeping my vote where it is.


Also,
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Miller

Wiki says that a Miller claim D1 is an approach, which makes me think it's a common enough thing.


Copied the post list, sorry about having feryllt in there.
Although, you should be aware of my own position regarding Hydras--I don't know who make them up.


WIFOM: Any reasoning can be argued as 'fake' reasoning for scum to push a town wagon. You can paint things whatever way you want to, but at the end of the day, I feel that the reasons I had for voting TD were sound, as town.

There's a difference between confidence and what's going on in your posts.

"Anyone decently experienced in mafia knows what a miller is"
I don't. Well, didn't.
Also, what was that thing you said about absolutes?

Holding to the same reasons I had in 684.
I'll put my vote elsewhere when I feel stronger about another one of my scum-suspects.
I'm interested to see how you play from here until the end of D1.


P-EDIT:

Orc's gonna Orc, I suppose.

@Sven: I agree. You think Ghostlin's a good candidate?

@Mac: Previous scum games for me? Only in http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=27133 and http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=28111. So far, I've just tried to play really hard town as scum, whereas, with town, I've been trying different approaches on this site. Orc's not that happy with one of my approaches, because it scares him. Also, because he pressured the -same- wagon on me before and he's thinking maybe this time it's gonna flip him a -different- result. Regardless, I would care less about how anyone, especially me, has played before this game. What's important is what I've done in this game alone. That'll let you know what my true alignment is, even before the flip.

@Orc: Hehehe, because if I said I was trying to get a reaction back then, it wouldn't really be a genuine test, would it? There's times when this is obvious, and others when it is bullshit. Me, making a good case for my TD vote and then adding that I'm sheeping AJ? No one should even question that.
Honestly, if everything that you post isn't an attempt to get other players to respond in some way, then you're playing the game in a way that isn't very constructive. Don't get all upset just because you've bought tickets to the ruse cruise.

P-P-Edit:
Orc, you're delightful, but that's the weakest attack you could have made on me. "It doesn't make any logical sense and he flipped town D2 in the other game!! Lynch him!"
Garsh, you know how to flatter a boy.

i think the fact that varsoon goes up against you speaks in his favor.

My case is crap, don't worry about it.
I just wanna see what Orc has to say.

Guess Orc's town, given the responses. I don't wanna let up that easily, though, you know?

varsoon, ghostlin is a good candidate for what? lynch? I am voting him so that should answer your question

edit, wtf varsoon

I'm a madman.


Honestly, I've got to make plays so that my wildcard reads can be put in scum or town buckets.


I think that ghost could be a good vote. Do you think our vote pressure would drive ghost to respond in interesting ways?
VOTE: Ghostlin

...this thread exploded.
I'll catchup manana, focusing on another game before sleep tonight.

Questions for You, Andrius:
Do you think TD is scum? Why or why not?
Who are your top three town reads? Why?
Do you think the artificial length of this game is a legitimate threat to town, and, if so, do you think it is a construction on scum's behalf?

@BRO: Not yet. I really haven't interacted with Varsoon yet and he won't be back for around 7 hours.

the way GIF knows me, it's terrifying.

Varsoon makes eggo look like the inferior waffle brand.
TD did shit posts then an ATE when arriving, and ATE = leans scum to me.

I try.


I quoted some other posts but they got lost, so, eh.

I feel like the BRO vote on me instead of TD is kinda weak, but it is what it is.
TD responded like I expected a town TD to. I might step back from this, but TD's less interesting than I thought.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: 2
I don't like how 2's been recently.

Also, I could care less for Orc's "Rally 'round the family" approach of just saying "Everyone vote my scumspec".
Mac's mac, so I'll always be skeptical of 'm.
I really don't like AJ's recent plays.

GIF's flip on his townread of me is neat.
Seems like Nacho is ready to flip how he feels, depending on things.

Oh, I wanted to tell BRO that I mention they had town reads on me because of the meta. I'm not using it to defend my alignment, they are.

Anyway. I'm here, so if GIF wants to chat, feel free to ask me things.


2, what's your town motivation in this game?
Who do you think is scum? Why?
Can you point me to posts where you've done good scumhunting, in this thread?

There's a few earlier ones.
In retrospect, I could see how people'd read me as scum, given this is their first game with me and they can't understand people who play differently than what they're used to.
I should probably return to my Ghostlin or TD wagon, but Rev and AJ have been really out of line lately.
UNVOTE: for now. I'm not entirely sold. I need to look over the game some more.

[Keybladewielder]

Haven't paid much attention to Orc or 2,, but Nacho literally always plays the same from what Ive seen. So nulln o him

[Varsoon]

Haven't paid much attention to Orc or 2,, but Nacho literally always plays the same from what Ive seen. So nulln o him

It's beautiful that Orc and 2 have made the most posts in this game but they're also usually in null piles or are pretty controversially read.

[Sajin]

No, I'm not worried. I'm just wondering why I'm there. I should be null at worst.

Everyone is town until proven otherwise.

I disagree with this mentality. The mentality for me is everyone has the possibility of being scum until shown to be more likely or less likely so.

This is why you will find yourself at the end of my lynchrope if you are a non contributor. You just find yourself there more quickly with scummy play.

Right now nacho and Mac hit me as town.

Null on AJ.

@KBW: Why?

@Rev, Give me a second, I'll refute all your points. I care, and I have you as town, but you're making me really doubt that, and, as town, that's probably not something you wanna do--make town think you're scum, that is.

Could you scum it up any more?

Again you use subtle town references to emphasise your alignment. I don't feel the need to do that when town. This follows from your very first post, which is a town claim. This is what I mean by obvious scum. It's almost too obvious.

I don't care if any townies think I'm scum. I'll either get lynched or vig'd, then yay the miller issue is cleared up. It's actually a lot easier to play miller than I anticipated, at least so far it is.

Slam a vote, start a wagon, and get me lynched.
I'm town now and I'll still be town then.
Alternatively, you could actually hunt scum.

@Varsoon- Your post content is absolute crap. If you are town, there should be no problem with responding to my case on you. Your blatant disregard to it shows me you either don't care about my vote on you or you are trying to dodge it and hope it goes away. You claimed you responded in 1914 but I have seen no such post.

What is really sad is over the last 30 or so pages I think its probably coming from town. But your still being a huge distraction even if you are town. Fix it please.

ok, basic reads:

Rev - null, but not liking putting his null reads in scum pile.
Cabd - townie
Metal Shounic - null
Varsoon - annoying but town
and AJ - same as always, jerky. leaning scum

Explain the Varsoon read.

Varsoon, I think you're scum at this point, but honestly, I think a lot of it is mob mentality on the part of others, except for Rev. So if you'll kindly redirect me to a post or posts you've made that details every reason you're not scum instead of saying you've been playing town and leaving at that, I'll retract my scumread.

@TMTO: This is a strawman setup. Please don't do this with reads.

Nacho, yeah I attacked Orc for being an AtE player. But that's a true part of his process. There's nothing denying that. Other than that, I'm sorry I'm having a shit game. Not going to go into preservation mode.

I would like to point out (Actually, it wasn't really planned) that while I was gone, you may have talked about me a lot, but you generally stuck away from voting for me simply because I hadn't posted at all (exception: rach). This is, unfortunately, happening with the only confirmed scum player in this game, TmT.

@Broseidon: Where is TmT confirmed scum?


I think 2 is probably scum this game. This is mostly based on the fferylit half of the hydra's tone and subject content.


@Varsoon preview edit: This is funny coming from someone that has the most noise in their posts among anyone in the thread.

[Keybladewielder]

Mac and nacho are actually posting helpful things, whereas AJ is just being.... AJ.

[BROseidon]

@Broseidon: Where is TmT confirmed scum?

Everything you quoted me as saying was said by AJ.

[BROseidon]

So do you want to redirect that question to him or did you accidentally screw up the quotation while trying to ask me a real question. If it has to do with letters, here is what I actually said about him in that post:

And TMTOLBTWNTOF is still lurking around. I feel that this strategy is effective for him since no one pays any attention to him. Complete garbage posting and lurking off any attention.

What? Pretty sure everyone thinks letters is scum.

[Sajin]

@Broseidon: Where is TmT confirmed scum?

Everything you quoted me as saying was said by AJ.

My bad. I was reading too quick to catch up and failed a quote cut.

@AJ then, Where is TmT confirmed scum?

[Varsoon]

@Sajin: Sorry about being shitty town.
Give me the post number of your case and ask any other questions you now have.
I've been all over the place in this game, and I'd like to -actually- do some town work rather than cynical alignment confirmations.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Haven't paid much attention to Orc or 2,, but Nacho literally always plays the same from what Ive seen. So nulln o him

It's beautiful that Orc and 2 have made the most posts in this game but they're also usually in null piles or are pretty controversially read.

this is a lie

did varsoon do the gambit yet

[Varsoon]

Haven't paid much attention to Orc or 2,, but Nacho literally always plays the same from what Ive seen. So nulln o him

It's beautiful that Orc and 2 have made the most posts in this game but they're also usually in null piles or are pretty controversially read.

this is a lie

did varsoon do the gambit yet

Wasn't rules-legal.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha

[Varsoon]

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha

Heehehheheheh

[Metal Sonic]

I strongly believe Varsoon for town.

Rev, back off

[Ghostlin]

I've never read town write "Wow, just wow."
Scumslip.

God damn it, I hate this reasoning, it's a sack of shit from the abyss. 95% of 'scumslips' aren't.

Unlike reaction tests, the majority of players that accuse of scum slips aren't necessarily town.

TD's horrible because he's posting in a way that doesn't involve a huge amount of scum hunting and isn't alignment indicative. (Generally, people who are Town want to be helpful in this regard.) Not because of "wow, just wow."

You're almost playing this game like scum Ghostlin would play it, create as much chaos as possible, keep people guessing if you're town or scum, and then ride the bullshit wave to a victory. Be sure not to include any actual thoughts beyond the most shallow, you can't fake reasoning well anyhow. (Yes. Self-meta's useless, but you're acting in a way I feel I would act if I got a scum role.)

The 'gambit' that I thought only Town would be dumb enough to suggest..I'm still wrapping my head around if that's still true, because you act a little insanely stupid and then you slip me a mindfuck mickey.

[Ghostlin]

I strongly believe Varsoon for town.

Rev, back off

HOW? Explain to me how Varsoon can be strongly believed for Town.

[Ghostlin]

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha

Your demonic glee at Varshoon's gambit and trying to lead Town indicate two things to me:

1) You're Town
2) You're glad to see Varshoon fail at this.

[Varsoon]

I strongly believe Varsoon for town.

Rev, back off

HOW? Explain to me how Varsoon can be strongly believed for Town.

Sometimes you've got to have a village idiots. You'll figure out who it is eventually. If not later, then var...soon.
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