Newbie 1382 (Game Over)

[Zaicon]

Vote Count 1.3

Xiao Long (3)

: notquitethere, Mr. Flay, jon_h61

rmpeacoc (2)

: JerryArr, Fear the poster

notquitethere (1)

: pitoli

No Vote (3)

: lortaku, rmpeacoc, Xiao Long

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch!

The deadline is Saturday, June 8, at 4:00 PM CDT, which is in (expired on 2013-06-08 16:00:00).

[rmpeacoc]

ooo judgemental much? If you play it right it can be very similar to forum mafia... just fast paced. I don't jump to conclusions, no matter how quickly anything happens.

can you support your town reads please?

[JerryArr]

It seems to be counterproductive, but the info we get, and the chance we'll nail scum and make it 7 town to 1 mafia, makes it smart.

By "it", I meant lynching on day 1, not No Lynching. Sorry if there was any confusion!

I'm really confused. Can you explain why you think that lynching day one seems to be conterproductive. I'm just trying to get in your head.

In my mind, lynching on day 1 seems counterproductive because you have no concrete information other than your own alignment. However, we get information on how people vote, what people say, how they react, etc.

All the other site's games were more than 9 players, and were pretty role madness-y.

Can you elaborate on this? more than 9 players? The other site I'm on (epicmafia) has mostly 7-10 player setups when it comes to competition... what site are you on and what kind of setups are typical?

The forum in question (http://s7.zetaboards.com/eblv4forums/index/) usually has 15-20 people per game, and it's rare to have any player (town, scum, or neutral) without powers. (And yes, that is me screwing up modding the most recent game there. )

UNVOTE: rmpeacoc

[Fear the poster]

Epic mafia is a game of correct claims and luck. Forum mafia is fact based analysis. Different games with similar themes.

I have already supported my town read earlier. I believe that Xiao being directly defiant towards the IC suggests a bravery which is indicative of a townie mindset.

[JerryArr]

Maybe I should have linked directly to the Mafia section, which is here.

[Fear the poster]

So jerrbear you don't think rmpea is scum. Who do you think is scum? Why?

[Xiao Long]

What are your reads now? You said you were waiting but we are a quarter of the way into day one and I'm the only one with any content.

Yes, we're only a quarter of the way into day one. Why would I give my reads now when we've barely had anyone active. You think you're producing content, but you're practically talking to yourself.

^^ I don't like that Xiao didn't answer this question. Xiao, even with no experience as cop you should speculate. I'm not sure if you really just have no idea or if you're afraid to give the wrong answer.

I could care less whether you like it or not. Hypotheticals are inefficient. You don't need to have an opinion about everything.

Wouldn't you say the same thing about yourself? Because to me either you are both SUPER noob or one (or both) of you is trying to play the noob card in the hopes that we will town read you.

Where and how am I playing a noob card? I'm not sure if you're actually reading posts or reading what you think posts are saying.

At this point I'd like to vote Xiao but I'm not ready to put him at L-1. We have so much time.

Why? Mostly because of the way that he plays the noob card but then calls lortaku out on it. At least Lortaku is trying to learn something, or so it seems to me. Xiao seems to know what he wants to do but then says he's noob (or I'm assuming since he doesn't know what to do as cop). This seems a bit backwards to me.

Xiao you should at least be trying to learn or speculating... even if you're wrong at least the IC and SE's can help a little in a newbie game. You don't have to have played a game in order to speculate about other roles.

All of this is garbage. Again, it seems like you're only reading what you think people are saying. Are you sure you're not still drunk? All I said was I've never played cop before, so I don't know how I would play it. Kind of like how I've never been in a sword fight before, so I don't know what I would do until the sword was in my hand.
If you want to vote me, just do it. Quit being afraid.

[jon_h61]

@ Fear If you expect sheep, more pointing out scum tells like bad motives, accidental slips of the tongue, things like that. And less posturing, that might turn off people even though you might have relevant points. Your win/loss record from your home site is just 40% so the easy comment I'll take with a grain of salt. I feel ATM you're Town, but


Wow, lottsa pedits

@ peacoc While you're in teaching mode, would you, could you show me how to put a link with a comment. Like you did here -*you were close in

29

but you didn't close the tag* for 29? I'd really appreciate it. Mafiascum is my first real foray into forum posting, but I'm learning.

more pedits I had to run and do a few things, then came back, and...
I'll look the recent posts over, but for now I'll post this.

Stop ninja-ing me!

[Xiao Long]

I have already supported my town read earlier. I believe that Xiao being directly defiant towards the IC suggests a bravery which is indicative of a townie mindset.

Or possibly a scum tactic. You're far too keen on me being town when it's so early.

[Xiao Long]

It seems to be counterproductive, but the info we get, and the chance we'll nail scum and make it 7 town to 1 mafia, makes it smart.

By "it", I meant lynching on day 1, not No Lynching. Sorry if there was any confusion!

I'm really confused. Can you explain why you think that lynching day one seems to be conterproductive. I'm just trying to get in your head.

In my mind, lynching on day 1 seems counterproductive because you have no concrete information other than your own alignment. However, we get information on how people vote, what people say, how they react, etc.

Yes, but lynching gives you information. Even a mislynch. Which is usually why town aren't afraid they'll be lynched as it will help the rest of town narrow down the search for scum. No lynching is an option, but I would prefer a mislynch over a no lynch on day one.

[jon_h61]

Yes, we're only a quarter of the way into day one. Why would I give my reads now when we've barely had anyone active. You think you're producing content, but you're practically talking to yourself.

I have to say, Xiao is being anti-Town at the very least. You do remember this is a team thing, right? How are you helping Town by being so defiant continuously?

@ Fear How is Xiao's defiance Town motivated? To me it just seems a way of getting out of putting down anything firm for later in the game. Until I see Town motivation from him, mt vote stays.

rmpeacoc said "If you are town and you're saying this is easy... I hope you're having a heart attack tomorrow IF you get me lynched and WHEN I flip town." Please, no more soft claims.

[notquitethere]

pitoli

Sorry guys, I've had limited access during my graduation weekend. Ill be happy to provide up to date reads soon. Thanks

That's cool. Hope the graduation goes well! I look forward to your reads when you can give them.

Lortaku

Don't forget to follow up your random vote, especially as we exit the RVS-- you begin to look more suspicious the longer you lurk.

Xiao

Your hypotheticals are pointless. I've never been a cop, therefore I could not tell you how I would play one or when I would claim. Your condescension doesn't help you.

I didn't mean to be condescending, but you're not helping your case by beign so uncooperative. The hypotheticals give me an idea of how you play and the depth of your understanding of the game. Your refusal to engage on this level smacks of evasiveness. The point of a hypothetical situation is for you to imagine yourself in that situation and say how you think you'd act: it doesn't matter in any way that you haven't yet been in that situation.

JerryArr

Xiao is absolutely correct on the Day 1 lynch issue: lynching is town's only tool for winning the game. If we don't use it, we don't learn anything and we live the flips entirely in the hands of the scum.

[jon_h61]

Say you're the cop: Player 1 is at L-1. You've not inspected them. Player 2 claims cop and says that 1 is innocent. You've inspected Player 2 and know 2 to be a townie. Do you claim cop then?

Hypotheticals are great for getting reads, but right now your reads are pretty thin.

As to this question(again I know it wasn't to me) you've definitely made a trap. I don't know why Player 1 was run up to L-1. Was I voting him previously? What are the reasons for him being at L-1? Which Day is this? Since I know Player 2 is Town, I'd probably just call bullshit, and still try to lynch Player 1.

[jon_h61]

pitoli just got a scum win here in Rome! Maybe she'll spend some time with us now! BTW congrats, I haven't pulled one off yet.

[rmpeacoc]

Epic mafia is a game of correct claims and luck. Forum mafia is fact based analysis. Different games with similar themes.

I have already supported my town read earlier. I believe that Xiao being directly defiant towards the IC suggests a bravery which is indicative of a townie mindset.

I completely disagree. You can tell alot on EM based on reactions, towntells, scumtells, etc. Clearly you haven't played it and if you did you didn't play enough to get a real feel for it. I have clear strategies on EM and I'm rather good at catching scum. It's not all luck based after 4 years of playing it.

I'm not just talking about your townread on Xiao (though I did miss that part, thanks for pointing it out), I'd also like to hear about your town read on Jon in 32

I could care less whether you like it or not. Hypotheticals are inefficient. You don't need to have an opinion about everything.

I feel as though notquitethere was honestly trying to get a feel for how you play. He's not going to call you scum because of your answer. Your answer has nothing to do with your alignment. He merely wants to know just HOW experienced you are, if at all, and what you would do in that situation.(correct me if I'm wrong notquitethere)

Where and how am I playing a noob card? I'm not sure if you're actually reading posts or reading what you think posts are saying.

Maybe you're not outright saying 'im a noob' but listen... the way that you are talking... with the whole 'i've never played as cop' thing... yeah that counts as playing the noob card. I'm not 100% certain that you are in fact trying to do this, but the way you act keeps my eyes on you.

All of this is garbage. Again, it seems like you're only reading what you think people are saying. Are you sure you're not still drunk? All I said was I've never played cop before, so I don't know how I would play it. Kind of like how I've never been in a sword fight before, so I don't know what I would do until the sword was in my hand.
If you want to vote me, just do it. Quit being afraid.

I won't put someone at L-1 and force them to a claim till I have more reads...

If you've ever played a game WITH a cop you should have some idea of how it is played. I really don't see how you don't see what I am saying here.

@ peacoc While you're in teaching mode, would you, could you show me how to put a link with a comment. Like you did here -*you were close in

29

but you didn't close the tag* for 29? I'd really appreciate it. Mafiascum is my first real foray into forum posting, but I'm learning.

All I did there was surround the post number '29' with the post tags. There is also a button 'post' on the reply page.

I have to say, Xiao is being anti-Town at the very least. You do remember this is a team thing, right? How are you helping Town by being so defiant continuously?

^^I completely agree with this and I'm glad you said it. This is what the newbies in this game need to learn, something that I did in my first game as well. This is a team effort. This is about helping TOWN get reads, not about hiding yourself. Working together helps to out the scum.

rmpeacoc said "If you are town and you're saying this is easy... I hope you're having a heart attack tomorrow IF you get me lynched and WHEN I flip town." Please, no more soft claims.

I said I was town... I never soft claimed a role. The point I'm trying to make here is that if he's so confident he won't be tomorrow if I am lynched.

P-edit: thanks for that notquitethere. We're on the same page.

P-Edit: Jon, Why would you call bullshit and out yourself as cop in this situation, knowing that scum will likely try to kill player 2 rather than staying in hiding? IMO the only time you should claim d1 is if you are being lynched or you have a guilty and COMPLETELY disagree with the lynch. Otherwise you breadcrumb your results in case you are killed. To me it is clear in this case that player 2 is either faking cop to get lynched or trolling. Doesn't matter if you think player 1 is scummy or not. Your inno clearly doesn't think so and it goes back to working as a team... you say something to the effect of 'yeah I think I trust player 2 (your inno)' without being scummy and buddying, and try to work with player 2 to lynch someone else, then you investigate player 1 at night.

[Xiao Long]

To me it just seems a way of getting out of putting down anything firm for later in the game. Until I see Town motivation from him, mt vote stays.

At the time, we were on page two. Why would I have anything firm put down? Keep your vote on me all game if it makes you feel better.

The hypotheticals give me an idea of how you play and the depth of your understanding of the game. Your refusal to engage on this level smacks of evasiveness. The point of a hypothetical situation is for you to imagine yourself in that situation and say how you think you'd act: it doesn't matter in any way that you haven't yet been in that situation.

How would hypotheticals help you in any way? What's to stop me from lying completely? Hypotheticals are useless.

I feel as though notquitethere was honestly trying to get a feel for how you play. He's not going to call you scum because of your answer. Your answer has nothing to do with your alignment. He merely wants to know just HOW experienced you are, if at all, and what you would do in that situation.(correct me if I'm wrong notquitethere)

Like I said, hypotheticals will not tell you how someone plays.

Maybe you're not outright saying 'im a noob' but listen... the way that you are talking... with the whole 'i've never played as cop' thing... yeah that counts as playing the noob card. I'm not 100% certain that you are in fact trying to do this, but the way you act keeps my eyes on you.

Another example of reading what you want to read. I've only said I've never played a cop before, that is not the same as me saying I'm a noob.

All of this is garbage. Again, it seems like you're only reading what you think people are saying. Are you sure you're not still drunk? All I said was I've never played cop before, so I don't know how I would play it. Kind of like how I've never been in a sword fight before, so I don't know what I would do until the sword was in my hand.
If you want to vote me, just do it. Quit being afraid.

I won't put someone at L-1 and force them to a claim till I have more reads...

But you'll claim early for no reason, apparently.

If you've ever played a game WITH a cop you should have some idea of how it is played. I really don't see how you don't see what I am saying here.

What you're saying is everyone who has ever played a cop has played it the exact same way. You're really driving in a non-issue for no reason other than to waste time and create more pointless postings.


Ever since you started posting from your break or whatever, you've been desperately trying to get Fear off of your trail and trying to put the focus back onto me. Your early town claim is even more evident of this.

[Xiao Long]

You do remember this is a team thing, right? How are you helping Town by being so defiant continuously?

Because this is not a team thing yet. It's a free-for-all until I'm convinced you're town.

[JerryArr]

Yes, thank you for all of your help in the area of not No Lynching. Much appreciated.

So jerrbear you don't think rmpea is scum. Who do you think is scum? Why?

I didn't really say she wasn't scum, I just unvoted her because I thought RVS was over, and wanted to go through everyone before I put my vote somewhere, namely the player I think is most scummy.

In order from most to least towny...

Me

Of course.

Fear the poster

Pretty aggressive, but I think it's a good aggressive. Probably the most towny of everyone else. And I hate the word "tryhard". Nothing wrong with trying hard, as long as you're trying smart, too.

jon_h61

Not much read on him yet, probably town.

notquitethere

Liking him so far, I can't really fault him on much at the moment.

Mr. Flay

Slight town, but not enough posts to go further than that.

pitoli

Null due to not being here much so far.

rmpeacoc

A bit wishy-washy to me. He's had flashes of scum (40 comes to mind) and flashes of town (89, talking about this being a team effort).
I'm not a fan of "don't lynch me or you'll regret it!", though.

lortaku

Tiny tiny bit of scum read on him, but that's probably not due to anything concrete.

Xiao Long

Rubbing me the wrong way so far. I can see where his individualism is coming from, but it has to be balanced out with teamwork, as the game isn't over until exactly one team stands. Until then, there's going to be people working against the grain. As for his meta talk, I agree with it to a certain point, as players do evolve, and can work against their meta, but metas aren't something to be dismissed.

Can't say with absolute certainty that he's scum, but he's closest for me so far, so...
VOTE: Xiao Long

[rmpeacoc]

im just going to face palm right now.

Xiao

1. If you don't work as a team you'll never get anyone lynched. That's not to say you can't have a difference of opinion.

2. Hypotheticals DO help to see how you would play. why? Because it shows how your logic works.

3. Listen. Read. I said that you never said you are a noob, however using the excuse that you've never played as cop before makes you look like a noob. Why? Because if you've ever been in a setup with a cop you should have a general idea of how the role works.

4. where did I claim? I said I was town. That isn't a claim.

5. Where did I say that everyone who plays as a cop plays it the same way? Look above, clearly Jon and I have a difference of opinion on what cop should do in that case.

I'm not trying to get fear off of me. I haven't been desperate.

Go check my other games please. I am usually extremely active in games. I just happen to be on vacation. And today I happen to have time. The last 2 days I had grad parties galore and since I see my family 2-3 times a year I've been spending time with them. Tonight I'll be out drinking and singing Karaoke. Good times.

Why are you all over me for saying I'm town? That's not a scumtell. saying you are town is NOT a claim. My role is TOWNSIDED. I NEVER CLAIMED.

P-edit: jerry I wasn't saying don't lynch me or you'll regret it. I was merely trying to get fear to think a little about his read on me, which by the way he had outted as scummy when i made 2 short posts.

Regardless, you just put Xiao at L-1 (Lynch minus 1 vote). Is there a reason for that?

NO one should hammer without claiming intent and then waiting for a claim. We have 11 days left before the day is over so please give it time.

[Xiao Long]

1. You don't have to be a team to reach an agreement with anyone.
2. No they don't, because you can easily bullshit. So, I guess if you think bullshit logic helps you....
3. Your logic is flawed, we see loads of politicians in this country, but I wouldn't know the first thing to do if I were in office.
4. That is a claim, though. You're claiming you're town. You don't have to specifically say that you're doctor/cop/vanilla/etc.
5. Because you're saying that if I've played with a cop, then I should know how cops are played, rather than I should know how that person plays cop.

I don't care about your past games, in this game you've been really desperate, even though you claim you're not.
It's scummy because you had no reason to say you were town at that time. Now you're soft-claiming PR, at least that's the way I read that. You're getting more and more ridiculous with every post.

[JerryArr]

Regardless, you just put Xiao at L-1 (Lynch minus 1 vote). Is there a reason for that?

UNVOTE:

Because I misread the vote tally.

[rmpeacoc]

you can go ahead and tell scum that I'm soft claiming a pr. I never soft claimed anything. Not even close. I said I was town.

As far as my past games, you are taking my posting today as desperation. The reason I want you to look at past games is so that you can see my activity level. I'm not all over fear, and I wouldn't be all over you if you weren't overreacting as though I was. Trust me, if I was certain you were scum I would have already voted you.

Here's what I don't get, why are you only responding to the points that I have made?

Xiao you have a lot to learn.

p-edit: Okay Jerry, understandable.

Double-post deleted. ~Zaicon

[jon_h61]

You do remember this is a team thing, right? How are you helping Town by being so defiant continuously?

Because this is not a team thing yet. It's a free-for-all until I'm convinced you're town.

How then are you going to get anyone to vote with you if you are going to treat everyone as scum? I know we all come to this game with different mindsets, but we Town have to find common ground. Reads on page four are going to change as it gets later into the day, but we have to start somewhere. I'd like to think that you want to help Town (if you're Town).


BTW congrats on your recent Town win!

too many pedits
I'll read after I post. I gotta quit leaving my browser open all the time!

[rmpeacoc]

Jon you have a great way of wording that. Thank you for saying what I could not get across.

Also thank you Zaicon didn't mean to double post

[jon_h61]

I'm not just talking about your townread on Xiao (though I did miss that part, thanks for pointing it out), I'd also like to hear about your town read on Jon in 32

I took it as a joke. At least it made me chuckle. Personally I took it as a null tell, more bored posting than anything.

I'll read through everything before posting more.