Mini 1449 - Ordinary Town

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

post_id=4992437 time=1369857261 user_id=10128]

Are normals even allowed to distinguish between kill methods?

yes they are

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

post_id=4992443 time=1369857321 user_id=10128]Either way ac still killed Kuribo so that flavor still makes sense.

you claimed YOU killed kuribo

[hapahauli]

Woah woah dis claim. Gotta parse this one.

[hp [leaves]]

post_id=4992443 time=1369857321 user_id=10128]Either way ac still killed Kuribo so that flavor still makes sense.

you claimed YOU killed kuribo

Yes I did. And he was shown as "killed" in the flip so I didn't overthink about the flavor. And it was you who said ac killed kuribo with hard evidence so now why are you ignoring your own evidence to attack me, von Karma?

[hp [leaves]]

post_id=4991436 time=1369824058 user_id=10128]Or not. Double kill =/

[hapahauli]

post_id=4991430 time=1369823047 user_id=10128]Hey guys guess who I roleblocked last night.

VOTE: Scott Brosius

post_id=4991433 time=1369823891 user_id=10128]Also I shot Kuribo the first night so the Doctor should have two confirmed innocents by now.

HP, the one thing that doesn't make sense about this claim is the 2nd statement.

I think the doctor assumption is fair at this stage in the game, however if you roleblocked Scott and are voting him on that basis, the doctor would clearly only have

one

save as opposed to

two

.

Explain sir.

[hapahauli]

Furthermore, if you're assuming the existence of a doctor, voting someone solely on the basis of a Roleblock claim makes very little sense. It doesn't confirm Scott as scum since it's entirely possible that a doctor/JK/whatever prevented the second shot.

[hapahauli]

@ Cheery

The crux of my suspicions against you are two things right now:
1) Your reaction to the initial ac1983fan wagon.
2) Your suspicion on Varsoon.

1) Righto, well you would be suspicious of my reaction since it didn't coincide with your own. I see nothing wrong with reacting to the speed of a wagon and being worried by it.

The problem was more that you ignored literally everything else about the wagon. You didn't comment one bit on the analysis, and went "psssh too fast" before moving onto other targets. That reaction didnt' seem very natural.

2) I still feel there's plenty to be suspicious about. You don't agree? Fine. Besides I've (pieceofpecanpie) been voted early game by ac1983 before when we were scum just, you know, putting it out there that scum

can

vote each other. I could turn that "your [..] suspicions seem really forced" line back on you in regards to me. Since you first started raising your "scum, scum" voice at me it's felt like you've just been filling in the blanks as to why I am scum. Reads like confirmation bias.

Sure scum

can

bus teammates and vote teammates. However you ignore the specific circumstances of AC's vote on Varsoon. If you truly look at his suspicions on Varsoon and the timing of them, I have a hard time believing you could reach any conclusion except for that Varsoon is town.

Consider the following:
1) AC made a *huge* push on Varsoon the second Varsoon's wagon kicked off.
2) AC explicitly stated that he was voting Varsoon NOT because he thought Varsoon was scum, but because he thought Varsoon was "anti-town." Scum simply don't bus each other in this manner.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

post_id=4992554 time=1369859488 user_id=10128]

post_id=4992443 time=1369857321 user_id=10128]Either way ac still killed Kuribo so that flavor still makes sense.

you claimed YOU killed kuribo

Yes I did. And he was shown as "killed" in the flip so I didn't overthink about the flavor. And it was you who said ac killed kuribo with hard evidence so now why are you ignoring your own evidence to attack me, von Karma?

I look at it like this

1. you didn't really kill him and for some reason you are lying
2. you both tried to kill him and your logic about the doctor having 1 clear is obviously false cause I KNOW for a fact AC visited Kuribo and he was just a goon


Also, having just read the game from varsoon, the lack of kill last night doesn't actually clear you nor does it confirm SB as scum, cause this could easily be a scum gambit. Both of you are Null because of your claim.

Additionally your claim makes NO SENSE at all nor does your order of actions or your targets so if anything, your claim actually makes you look worse and I'd rather get your flip before Scott's

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

Are you a hydra?

[hp [leaves]]

post_id=4991430 time=1369823047 user_id=10128]Hey guys guess who I roleblocked last night.

VOTE: Scott Brosius

post_id=4991433 time=1369823891 user_id=10128]Also I shot Kuribo the first night so the Doctor should have two confirmed innocents by now.

HP, the one thing that doesn't make sense about this claim is the 2nd statement.

I think the doctor assumption is fair at this stage in the game, however if you roleblocked Scott and are voting him on that basis, the doctor would clearly only have

one

save as opposed to

two

.

Explain sir.

Well, I'm a one shot knifesmith. I can check if someone has a knife or not. Doctors have knives. Mafia seems to kill with knives. So since my ability wasn't named "Cop", I assumed both of those roles to be in the game.

N1 kill was a double kill.

And I really screwed up on the assumed innocents part. I can't into logic.

[hp [leaves]]

I'm not a hydra.

[hp [leaves]]

So the situation is, either SB is scum and doctor has no innocents or SB is town and the doctor has one confirmed innocent.

[hapahauli]

Fail logic is a possible explanation but it isn't very convincing. Also, this:

Furthermore, if you're assuming the existence of a doctor, voting someone solely on the basis of a Roleblock claim makes very little sense. It doesn't confirm Scott as scum since it's entirely possible that a doctor/JK/whatever prevented the second shot.

[hp [leaves]]

My money is on SB-scum

[hapahauli]

Okay yes, but why? As SB stated before, the only time you've mentioned SB in your filter is once (and calling him town at that). If the doctor saving someone is a possibility, why would your roleblock on him 180 that read? There's no justification in your filter

[hp [leaves]]

1st, I wasn't here for the majority of the second day (because of the speedlynch, even though it was justified) so I didn't have time to comment at all
2nd, I do not breadcrumb my targets. Predictable actions=bad

Last day, SB's play consisted entirely of pushing Toomai's lynch while opposing ac's. Then he jumped on the ac bandwagon when he saw the lynch was inevitable. That's scum play.

And lynching SB is really a win-win situation. If he's scum, then cool. If he's town, we're going to have a confirmed townie.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

post_id=4992641 time=1369861332 user_id=10128]So the situation is, either SB is scum and doctor has no innocents or SB is town and the doctor has one confirmed innocent.

Why do you assume we have a doctor?

[Dyslexicon]

Dashie actually thinks scum/SK hp has inadvertently caught scum/SK SB

Mass claim is happening today. So toomai goes next and popcorns.

^This is very unlikely, given the lack of dead people.

Hp's claim makes me want to cry, I didn't know such roles existed. It's quite elaborate for a bluff, which makes me want to believe him.

Do you guys want me to claim, or should CP do it first?

[hp [leaves]]

post_id=4992641 time=1369861332 user_id=10128]So the situation is, either SB is scum and doctor has no innocents or SB is town and the doctor has one confirmed innocent.

Why do you assume we have a doctor?

knifesmith

[hapahauli]

I'm inclined to believe HP's claim.

UNVOTE: Cheery Pie
VOTE: Scott Brosius

I'll explain why when I get back from lunch.

[hp [leaves]]

Jake, fine. Let's assume there isn't a doctor.

then sb is confirmed scum

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

post_id=4992732 time=1369863104 user_id=10128]

post_id=4992641 time=1369861332 user_id=10128]So the situation is, either SB is scum and doctor has no innocents or SB is town and the doctor has one confirmed innocent.

Why do you assume we have a doctor?

knifesmith

Explain?

Plus I've never actually heard of a knifesmith now that I think about it and its not on the wiki that I can find.

[Dyslexicon]

Jake, HP already kind of explained it. Apparently doctors have knifes.

[hp [leaves]]

Plus I've never actually heard of a knifesmith now that I think about it and its not on the wiki that I can find.

I'm leaning SK given the

knifesmith

/BP SKs usually are 1 shot immune (

mine

was in

my game

)