Answered point for point:In post 2020, xMALCOLMx wrote:Why do you think he is attacking two strong town players, and why do you think those two players are town?In post 1854, Darthe wrote:First and foremost, two votes on two strong town players this game. I would also like to note before I get into this that Ferret knows how to play mafia, and is not new to the game despite being new to site. This is important to note because he is making clearly basic mistakes and seems to be playing up his newness and experience simultaneously.
I tell people to stop being stupid when they're being stupid regardless of my alignment. What is ferret doing as scum?In post 1854, Darthe wrote:Here we see something not overtly scummy. However, it is notable because this is a player setting themselves up as a median.
Different mindset; that doesn't mean scum. Unless you think that he's experienced scum who is confident that he can change the opinion of the site meta while maintaining the image of the innocent newbie, it's not that good of a tell; it's just wrong. Early reveals are good in formats where plurality lynch rules and majority doesn't always go through because scum always like to claim near the end of the day so they can grab a few panic unvotes and not be in fear of being counterclaimed.In post 1854, Darthe wrote:Random discusson about a breadcrumb and is arguing that early reveals are pro-town because of their effect on wigggle room? How did this slide?
I sort of agree with the submissive part, but that's distinctly a newscum scumtell and inconsistent with the rest of your case.In post 1854, Darthe wrote:See now, this is why I called that earlier thing bullshanks (refer to {1}), because he has yet to vote anyone else and voted her on the policy of...pretty much nothing by his own admission?.. and then he is being submissive towards her.
Just because you don't understand him doesn't mean that an explanation exists. I've never seen someone with a "I don't know what he's saying, thus scum" case actually hit scum.In post 1854, Darthe wrote:And then he votes Goat. It's been a while here, but pressure is off him and goat is getting traction so this is a vote "for being drunk". That is four throwaways in a row, not somethng I feel happens from townies, especially not ones who seem so involved in the game. Why is this person not casing or advocating anyone? Why does he not have reads? Why is he playing an erratic game? To avoid looking too false. That is literally the only reason that I can come up with that makes any sense, because for someone who "can't reply to the big pile of questions/casing/etc" made against him he is remarkably active.. and unfocused.
OK. So you think that this inconsistent thought process is coming from him because he's pretending to be bad? But, why play like that anyways? Why not just play well as scum?In post 1854, Darthe wrote:Defending? Before you voted him for being drunk, then you said he appeared genuinely drunk (forgot to quote guys, sorry), now you're defending him for drunkenness because the act of intoxication somehow makes someones statements less likely to reflect their alignment in your eyes? This is again contrary with various things ferret stated before regarding his views on playrs, playstyle, scumminess, and the like. It doesn't add up at all for a player who is not inexperienced.
I see so much "this is bad" but not enough "this is scum". You haven't been helping town worth shit and now you're flying after an easy target.In post 1854, Darthe wrote:In summation, this is why Ferret stuck out to me. He is trying to get by, but not helping town. While others are doing so as well his reads to me as the most false and manipulative example.
It seemed to me like simple bad play to attack players who are (to me at least, and the general consensus so far as I can tell) town and I would consider once regular but... so many separate irregular votes with no purpose (admittedly) strike me as someone who overstepped and recognized it in trying to blend early game.
Setting himself up as a mediator..? Did you not read the post?
I would disagree. Submissiveness happens anytime the individual doesn't have a ready plan to charge in another direction, so to speak or would rather avoid confrontation. It fits his play, which isn't simply bad play but has the distinct ring of care associated with scum in my opinion.
This one isn't arguable, sorry. Breadcrumbing: good. False breadcrumbing: okay in the right situation. Seeing someone elses breadcrumb: good for accountability. Announcing someone elses breadcrumb on thread: bad. I recognize that this was a hypothetical, hence I didn't continuously argue it, but there is no advantage gained by pointing out a breadcrumb that would not better serve after the individual claims.
You make a good point here. Perhaps this is some minor confirmation bias but I saw it as connected to the erratic voting.
My general notion of town play is that people play less cautiously as town because their lives are worth less than those are as scum. In essence, if you want to fake being town you can't play a perfect game. People wonder why you aren't being NK'd. People use PR's on you to be sure you aren't awesome scum. People just don't trust an overly done performance and will sense it being off. Thus, I caught onto this (initially gut and pretty confirmed to me by what I found in my casework) because it seemed too much so in the opposite direction, someone who was
trying
to look bad enough to skirt, but not be killed.If this is an easy target then why are you so for him? Ferret is being successful and I am aiding the town to the best of my ability by finding these sorts of inconsistencies. What going would I be if I spread myself thin on people who didn't stick out to me as much?
