Mini 1449 - Ordinary Town

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

So dashie just made a good point. If his knife whatever can find doc, why did he not confirm the claim doc?

[hp [leaves]]

So dashie just made a good point. If his knife whatever can find doc, why did he not confirm the claim doc?

Because it makes no sense at all? If he's a doctor, then he has a knife and I get a positive result. If he's mafia, then he has a knife and I get a positive result. Would you investigate a miller?

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

ok, I will let dashie figure shit out.

[Dyslexicon]

I think Scott is probably scum.
Both CP and Jakedash could also be on the team. I just realized Jakedash's claim is really convenient, and ac19 wouldn't have lasted long anyway.

[Dyslexicon]

I think Scott is probably scum.
Both CP and Jakedash could also be on the team. I just realized Jakedash's claim is really convenient, and ac19 wouldn't have lasted long anyway.

Should probably say CP

or

Jakedash

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

@hp - Is your BP passive? It appears to be from your posts.

This is pony part btw, im back and ready to snap this game in two here no matter what way we go I think here. Once I get the answer to this I should have this game figured out.

[hp [leaves]]

It is passive.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

post_id=4993280 time=1369875240 user_id=10128]It is passive.

post_id=4992078 time=1369849382 user_id=10128]Fine. Full claim.

Jack of all Trades:
1-shot vig
1-shot roleblock
1-shot "knifesmith"

1-shot bodyguard

1-shot bulletproof

I already claimed my actions so that's it.

So...

You essentially had a one shot BP bodyguard and decided not to use it on the claimed PR and instead roleblock the pony that acfan had been attacking the entire game? And you also decided to NOT use your 'knifesmith/cop' role when the "miller" had claimed? And you used a RB (must hit scum X) over cop (must hit scum)? And you killed the most pro-town player? Not to mention I have

NEVER

seen a BP player that gets told when its used.

We are finishing massclaim, because I am almost positive you are scum here. Basically the "passive BP with BG" is enough to just lynch flat out. This may be the closest thing to NK-Immune Miller Vig that has happened since that famous event (then again im probably the only one who knows what that really even is - rookies).

Whoever is the JK/doc just claim it. I mean, if hp really is town the game is still almost a forced win for us, im just betting we have a JK/doc instead.

No lynching still. Forcewin is basically here - just need to figure out who does what.

[GoodCopBadCop]

Not gonna lie, this game has been boring me for some reason

and I'm pretty sure that town blew its load too early in terms of massclaiming

also I think the crazy 5-shot JoaT is town

-badcop

[hapahauli]

post_id=4993280 time=1369875240 user_id=10128]It is passive.

post_id=4992078 time=1369849382 user_id=10128]Fine. Full claim.

Jack of all Trades:
1-shot vig
1-shot roleblock
1-shot "knifesmith"

1-shot bodyguard

1-shot bulletproof

I already claimed my actions so that's it.

So...

You essentially had a one shot BP bodyguard and decided not to use it on the claimed PR and instead roleblock the pony that acfan had been attacking the entire game? And you also decided to NOT use your 'knifesmith/cop' role when the "miller" had claimed? And you used a RB (must hit scum X) over cop (must hit scum)? And you killed the most pro-town player? Not to mention I have

NEVER

seen a BP player that gets told when its used.

We are finishing massclaim, because I am almost positive you are scum here. Basically the "passive BP with BG" is enough to just lynch flat out. This may be the closest thing to NK-Immune Miller Vig that has happened since that famous event (then again im probably the only one who knows what that really even is - rookies).

Whoever is the JK/doc just claim it. I mean, if hp really is town the game is still almost a forced win for us, im just betting we have a JK/doc instead.

So who's scum if HP is town?

Also, if HP is scum, who's the buddy?

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

Not gonna lie, this game has been boring me for some reason

and I'm pretty sure that town blew its load too early in terms of massclaiming

also I think the crazy 5-shot JoaT is town

-badcop

Your friendly neighborhood setup reviewer says no we didn't.

We

will

have only one scum left after today. Literally worst case scenario is something where we enter D5 with one scum and six alive. That's the

WORST

spot we can be in.

Really one of two things will happen here

1) No other protective role claims. SB is confirmed scum, hp is a one shot BP cop.
2) A protective role claims. What follows I will hold onto for a sec incase scum don't know how to play this.

Come on. JK/doc claim. We win. This pony still has a few tricks.

@Dyslx - Actually if you read some of my D1 posts, I breadcrumbed pretty hard we would be tracking acfan almost immediately after he claimed. Go read the last paragraph of 427.

[hp [leaves]]

You essentially had a one shot BP bodyguard and decided not to use it on the claimed PR

the doctor would protect you anyway. why risk losing my advantage?

and instead roleblock the pony that acfan had been attacking the entire game?

have you even read my case on him? also where is acfan attacking SB the entire game?

And you also decided to NOT use your 'knifesmith/cop' role when the "miller" had claimed?

already explained this. how does this make any sense to you? Do you waste investigations on millers?

And you used a RB (must hit scum X) over cop (must hit scum)?

If I had used "cop", I would've risked outing the doctor. The "cop" is also more valuable at endgame

And you killed the most pro-town player?

Are you serious? Really? Zef? The most pro-town player? Seriously? Do you actually believe this?

Not to mention I have NEVER seen a BP player that gets told when its used.

Because mod-meta is such a scumtell

Okay now you're just making outrageous claims. Are you...

panicking

?

[hp [leaves]]

Also why are you operating under the assumption I'm town even though you're SO sure I'm not?

[Dyslexicon]

@Dyslx - Actually if you read some of my D1 posts, I breadcrumbed pretty hard we would be tracking acfan almost immediately after he claimed. Go read the last paragraph of 427.

That helps, but it's still convenient if you knew acfan was scum.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

Because until we finish massclaim you are just stunningly confusing town.

Also if you thought acfan was the doctor - there was your miller. No need to fear hitting another one.

We are finishing the massclaim. Im still betting there is a JK/doc and you went for the really bizzare info role gamble.

@Dyslx - We tracked him. He targeted the dead player. Makes it pretty clearcut he is scum in that case. When he claimed targeting hap it just confirmed it beyond a doubt.

[Dyslexicon]

post_id=4993405 time=1369877306 user_id=10128]

You essentially had a one shot BP bodyguard and decided not to use it on the claimed PR

the doctor would protect you anyway. why risk losing my advantage?

Are you talking about different PR's?
There would be no point in protecting Jakedash, as he claimed 1-shot and used his shot.
Protecting acfan? Scum wouldn't kill him anyway if he was town. And the chances he was town were pretty low.

[hapahauli]

Well I don't like the idea that we're using setup speculation instead of simply scum-hunting. I think there's plenty of evidence that suggests that HP is town and Scott is scum without any claims.

Anyway, if we're going to do this plan and several people have already claimed, we may as well go all-in with it. I think the only one's who haven't claimed are CP, Dyslexicon, GBGC, and I. I'll claim after I hear from CP.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

post_id=4993405 time=1369877306 user_id=10128]the doctor would protect you anyway. why risk losing my advantage?

theoretically you don't even know if this setup has a doctor. The purpose of a bodyguard is to use it to protect someone who needs protection.

have you even read my case on him? also where is acfan attacking SB the entire game?

Go read AC's posts day 2 and come back and report who he was attacking

already explained this. how does this make any sense to you? Do you waste investigations on millers?

you ALWAYS investigate first and shoot later. this shows bad decision making. Even if you did not investigate AC you should have investigated somebody else. either N1 or N2. Choosing RB instead of investigation also shows bad decision making cause RB would come in handy come mylo/lylo

If I had used "cop", I would've risked outing the doctor. The "cop" is also more valuable at endgame

no it isn't. the more "clears" we have early in the game the better it is.

Are you serious? Really? Zef? The most pro-town player? Seriously? Do you actually believe this?

yes we do, and so did alot of other people. Most of day 1 you can see Zef wasn't even close to the pool of suspicious people. I don't even remember anyone having a strong scum read on him other than maybe 1 person.

Because mod-meta is such a scumtell

Well when the mod gets around to answering my question, I guess we will find out

your claim is bad & your decisions are bad

-J

p.edit - why would he stil not protect us? we are essentially confirmed town with that lynch and the goal is to keep as many confirmed town alive..

[Dyslexicon]

@Dyslx - We tracked him. He targeted the dead player. Makes it pretty clearcut he is scum in that case. When he claimed targeting hap it just confirmed it beyond a doubt.

If you are scum, you would already know that he was, so of course you could say you tracked him. He wasn't going to last anyway, so using him to "confirm" your townness would be great. Point being, your claim doesn't confirm you as town in any way.

[Cheery Pie]

Sure scum can bus teammates and vote teammates. However you ignore the specific circumstances of AC's vote on Varsoon. If you truly look at his suspicions on Varsoon and the timing of them, I have a hard time believing you could reach any conclusion except for that Varsoon is town.

Consider the following:
1) AC made a *huge* push on Varsoon the second Varsoon's wagon kicked off.
2) AC explicitly stated that he was voting Varsoon NOT because he thought Varsoon was scum, but because he thought Varsoon was "anti-town." Scum simply don't bus each other in this manner.

This is a

hard

push?

Holy shit.
VOTE: Varsoon
I'm sorry I have 0 patience for this.

When he was also conveniently avoiding the NicCage/Toomai wagons, I think not.

Scum bus in all sorts of weird circumstances and doing it for weak reasons such as anti-town play and being read as scum seems perfectly fine distancing thing to me. It probably wouldn't get ac towncred if Varsoon was lynched - but it is certainly helping Varsoon now.

And on second thought, this post by Cheery is just... ugh. Assumes AC is town and his claim is legit, and seems open to the possibility of voting him, but isn't just because he's waiting for Pie to post.

You'll notice that the post you quoted was after Jake's outing as tracker - therefore catching ac in a lie and proving beyond doubt that he was scum - my assumption of acfan being town was therefore replaced with the assumption that Jake was telling the truth. (because if not he'd die the next day).
Waiting for Pie was that he'd promised a post ~2 days beforehand, and I don't want to be running this hydra mostly solo. (as I think that promise to post was the only thing he posted day 2 and as he is the only person I know that shares my alignment (since it's a hydra and all), I like him posting)

post_id=4993102 time=1369871723 user_id=10128]

So dashie just made a good point. If his knife whatever can find doc, why did he not confirm the claim doc?

Because it makes no sense at all? If he's a doctor, then he has a knife and I get a positive result. If he's mafia, then he has a knife and I get a positive result. Would you investigate a miller?

If you're a gunsmith, then yes you investigate the miller.
(else you get lynched by DGB)

---

Anyway since we're apparently mass claiming and I'm been popcorned, I get to answer hapa's last question from yesterday.

The doctor is in da house.

Protected GCBC night 1 on the basis we needed more experienced people alive in the town. (and at that stage we had Jake as a scumread). Though we also almost went hapa due to him being obvtowny.
- Failed to notice that Kuribo replaced in when looking at the NicCage flip, and noticed later when checking how long was left in the night. Decided to sleep on it and see if Pie agreed with changing who the protect was on - mod started the day 7 hours early and the protect was suck on GCBC - but with hp's claim to also kill kuribo, protecting him there wouldn't have changed the result.
Protected Jake night 2 and if you hadn't made me claim would likely have continued to do so. (hence the if I'm lynched - Jake dies comment)

When acfan claimed 1-shot doc, we went with assuming the worse and there being multiple killers so choose not to counterclaim as that was a possibility and felt it was best to see what the new day brought.

anyway popcorn to

Varsoon

[hapahauli]

Dylexicon. Paranoia is fine, and it is

possible

that Jake/Rainbow did some crazy fake-claim thing as scum. But do you honestly find that it is a likely possibility?

[hapahauli]

And of course. The one player I don't trust claims doctor. Swell.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

so hp today

SB tomorrow

-J

p.edit - I know right? the most scummiest player in the game is the doc? I guess that's a good strategy to use.

[Daemon385]

Yeah that does make sense xD I can get down with an HP lynch

[hapahauli]

I still say we lynch SB today.

Simply put, we have HP use his bodyguard power (if he has one).