Mini 1449 - Ordinary Town

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

THERE is that doc claim.

Im actually still finding hp claim somewhat unlikely, but it actually being a doctor (and not JK like I was expecting) makes me hesitate.

unvote

I just am a little surprised at seeing a doc and JOAT with BP+BG in the same game. Just seems really unlikely. Also since scum would need some really good stuff to counter there. Like REALLY good stuff.

I almost want to just lynch SB because if he is town it confirms us as town. Also should be said CP scum confirms SB scum.

If there is any other role they should claim since we have a ton of strong stuff right now.

Given above, this is obviously the multichromatic pony part.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

Also hp is using his "cop" on one of the VT claims tonight. Non-negotiable.

[Daemon385]

Yeah but the thing is how do we know if he does or not =P that is the big problem there

[Dyslexicon]

Dylexicon. Paranoia is fine, and it is

possible

that Jake/Rainbow did some crazy fake-claim thing as scum. But do you honestly find that it is a likely possibility?

It wouldn't be that crazy really, it's pretty straight forward. It's a possibility to consider, at least. Personally I think it's likely.

[hapahauli]

Also hp is using his "cop" on one of the VT claims tonight. Non-negotiable.

Oh. That's probably better then.

Either way, that involves leaving him alive and lynching Scott or someone else. I can't decide who that someone else would be, hence we should lynch Scott.

[hapahauli]

Dylexicon. Paranoia is fine, and it is

possible

that Jake/Rainbow did some crazy fake-claim thing as scum. But do you honestly find that it is a likely possibility?

It wouldn't be that crazy really, it's pretty straight forward. It's a possibility to consider, at least. Personally I think it's likely.

Ok, and why is it likely? You can't make a statement and not back it up.

[Dyslexicon]

Dylexicon. Paranoia is fine, and it is

possible

that Jake/Rainbow did some crazy fake-claim thing as scum. But do you honestly find that it is a likely possibility?

It wouldn't be that crazy really, it's pretty straight forward. It's a possibility to consider, at least. Personally I think it's likely.

Ok, and why is it likely? You can't make a statement and not back it up.

But I want too!
After reading through Jakedash's iso, I found they were against lynching acfan because of the claim. But when hp claimed it didn't seem like they were backing off. Also I find they seemed to argue points with hp over and over again, but it could be they are just confused with the claim. I also remember NC was suspicious of them. Not my lynch option, but I won't go with confirmed town either.

[hapahauli]

This is a

hard

push?

Holy shit.
VOTE: Varsoon
I'm sorry I have 0 patience for this.

When he was also conveniently avoiding the NicCage/Toomai wagons, I think not.

Scum bus in all sorts of weird circumstances and doing it for weak reasons such as anti-town play and being read as scum seems perfectly fine distancing thing to me. It probably wouldn't get ac towncred if Varsoon was lynched - but it is certainly helping Varsoon now.

At that point in the game, the competing wagons were NC and Varsoon (AC's vote put Varsoon at L-3), both of which had an even number of votes. If you're seriously suggesting to me that scum would deliberately avoid voting the confirmed town (NC) in order to bus their scum-buddy

for being anti-town rather than actually scummy

, then you either haven't read the game or you're scum.

And on second thought, this post by Cheery is just... ugh. Assumes AC is town and his claim is legit, and seems open to the possibility of voting him, but isn't just because he's waiting for Pie to post.

You'll notice that the post you quoted was after Jake's outing as tracker - therefore catching ac in a lie and proving beyond doubt that he was scum - my assumption of acfan being town was therefore replaced with the assumption that Jake was telling the truth. (because if not he'd die the next day).
Waiting for Pie was that he'd promised a post ~2 days beforehand, and I don't want to be running this hydra mostly solo. (as I think that promise to post was the only thing he posted day 2 and as he is the only person I know that shares my alignment (since it's a hydra and all), I like him posting)

Whoops my bad. Yeah you're right about this.

[hapahauli]

Dyslexicon, what do you make of CP's claim?

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

nobody else vote right now, dashie has made a valid point in the QT that may not be very popular but based on the claims and the numbers, I agree with her.

hang tight and try to keep an open mind

-J

[hapahauli]

[Cheery Pie]

After reading through Jakedash's iso, I found they were against lynching acfan because of the claim. But when hp claimed it didn't seem like they were backing off. Also I find they seemed to argue points with hp over and over again, but it could be they are just confused with the claim. I also remember NC was suspicious of them. Not my lynch option, but I won't go with confirmed town either.

It's apparently only a day 1 thing.

At that point in the game, the competing wagons were NC and Varsoon (AC's vote put Varsoon at L-3), both of which had an even number of votes. If you're seriously suggesting to me that scum would deliberately avoid voting the confirmed town (NC) in order to bus their scum-buddy

for being anti-town rather than actually scummy

, then you either haven't read the game or you're scum.

NC was at L-2 at the time of the vote.

Scum are often afraid of putting people at L-1 - and when he'd already defended NC somewhat, him going to the town wagon would have helped him even less.

[hapahauli]

Oh come on. Scum are scared of putting people at L-1? Really?

I know scum are scared to hammer, but you're grasping at straws here.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

After reading through Jakedash's iso, I found they were against lynching acfan because of the claim. But when hp claimed it didn't seem like they were backing off. Also I find they seemed to argue points with hp over and over again, but it could be they are just confused with the claim. I also remember NC was suspicious of them. Not my lynch option, but I won't go with confirmed town either.

you don't seem the difference between a 1 shot doc and a 4 shot joat with one of the shots a role that has never been used on mafiascum?

[Dyslexicon]

Dyslexicon, what do you make of CP's claim?

If hp's claim is true, I think it's legit. Hp clearly suggests that there is a doctor because of the knifesmith part, so falseclaiming doctor wouldn't be very safe.

you don't seem the difference between a 1 shot doc and a 4 shot joat with one of the shots a role that has never been used on mafiascum?

I don't seem it! Typos <3

Actually acfan's claim was so weak in power that it shouldn't have prevented a lynch on him to happen, as I also expressed on D1. Hp's claim has stronger powers, and is pretty believable in the way it was presented.

[hapahauli]

Dyslexicon, what do you make of CP's claim?

If hp's claim is true, I think it's legit. Hp clearly suggests that there is a doctor because of the knifesmith part, so falseclaiming doctor wouldn't be very safe.

Not really. Doctor and scum give back the same results to the "knifesmith."

[Dyslexicon]

Dyslexicon, what do you make of CP's claim?

If hp's claim is true, I think it's legit. Hp clearly suggests that there is a doctor because of the knifesmith part, so falseclaiming doctor wouldn't be very safe.

Not really. Doctor and scum give back the same results to the "knifesmith."

Yeah, but hp's reasoning, which I find sound

if

the claim is true, is that there would be no point in having a knifesmith as opposed to just a cop if there weren't any doctors in the game. Therefore it will likely be a CC if it is false. Although I do see the point about it being safer for the reason of turning up as a "knifeholder" (or whatever) if investigated. So both unsafe and safe. Yay. Definitely attract attention though.

[hapahauli]

Oh hmm. I agree with that quite a bit.

@ Rainbows

What do you think are the chances that both claims are legit?

[hapahauli]

Yeah but the thing is how do we know if he does or not =P that is the big problem there

Can you give us your individual thoughts on these claims?

I see you popping into the thread from time to time, but you're really not offering much to the table every time you do.

[hapahauli]

Oh also, I'm a VT. Forgot to claim.

Dyslexicon and GBGC - you might as well claim as well. If there's a 5th claimed blue between the two of you, we might need to ask more questions about these claims.

[Dyslexicon]

Oh also, I'm a VT. Forgot to claim.

Dyslexicon and GBGC - you might as well claim as well. If there's a 5th claimed blue between the two of you, we might need to ask more questions about these claims.

I've got nothing to flash, Vanilla Townie.

[Daemon385]

Yeah but the thing is how do we know if he does or not =P that is the big problem there

Can you give us your individual thoughts on these claims?

I see you popping into the thread from time to time, but you're really not offering much to the table every time you do.

For me my personal opinion on the HP JoaT claim is a bit sketchy for me especially on how he used the kill. Which I thought was silly to think about using on N1. And on that specific person? Sure I can see two people attacking the same target but stilll..wtf. Him RB Scott makes more since. There wasn't a night kill last night so either he is lying and a doc heal the person who really was supposed to die or he isn't. That is how I see it. But if Cherry's claim is true and he did heal the person that was to die last night then that puts an even bigger look see at HP. I would actually honestly believe Cheery's claim better then I would HP's at this current moment.

Now Cheery's claim although rocky with how he has played if he is the doctor he has been doing well on not giving his role away. Which the longer a doctor lives the better usually (if he can pick and choose the right targets.

Scott I have been suspicious of since Day 1. Him and NicCage. Though unfortunately Nic wasn't the right target it seems. Though he did give us much insight on who is scum. Scott while still suspicious I'm not sure he is scum. I would believe he could be one of the rest remain or something else.

And also I'm pretty sure JFR is town the suspicion is nice, but I think it may be a bit misguided. They have proven very useful to town so far so I have no worries so far of them being scum.

I'd say my 3 biggest suspision right now are HP, Scott, and Dys (Dys being more of a null then a positive scum just not really sure)

[Toomai]

So uh how do we actually know that a Doctor would show up as "has a knife" to a Knifesmith? To me that seems a bit of a stretch flavour-wise.

This is how I currently feel about the contentious claims:

• Chance JOAT is true:
  35%
  (seems too unlikely to be faked)
• Chance Doctor is true:
  40%
  (easier to claim, choices make more sense than JOAT's, harder to explain NK survival)
• Chance both are true:
  25%

[Dyslexicon]

So uh how do we actually know that a Doctor would show up as "has a knife" to a Knifesmith? To me that seems a bit of a stretch flavour-wise.

This is how I currently feel about the contentious claims:

• Chance JOAT is true:
  35%
  (seems too unlikely to be faked)
• Chance Doctor is true:
  40%
  (easier to claim, choices make more sense than JOAT's, harder to explain NK survival)
• Chance both are true:
  25%

It was hp that said this. The way it is really far out is why I'm inclined to believe it. So you leave no room for both claim being false?

[hp [leaves]]

Hey guys there's this something called "checking with the mod" which I always use heavily when I get a PR