Newbie 1365 - Vantasmagoria of Flower View (Game Over)

[Regfan]

Are you happy, Regfan? You actually made me re-read. I'm not sure between Monty/Thor now, but I think you're town. ...I'm wrong, aren't I?

You should have re-read ages ago, when you replaced in

only petapan gets away with not having to read the thread and that's because using random.org gives him a better chance of lynching scum than him actually scumhunting.

And no you're not wrong. What bugs me about Montys voting pattern on D1 is that the vote is when there's a wagon on Irish and the unvotes when the wagons disintegrated - it's a way that scum treat a partner a lot. That said thought about it a lot on my run and I think I kind of see what you mean about Montys play today being better than prior days; while a lot of his play is illogical and tunnel-fuelled I can follow part of the thought process in it. I really want to see what Thor has to say other than "He forgot who was confirmed town via reports therefore he's mafia".

Although, I do find it curious that for the most part, TheIrishPope didn't have a read on Commandodude, yet still voted him.

Also, I don't understand why you guys didn't lynch TheIrishPope day 1, but; that's another story.

He attempted to pin a Shaun-Commando mslynch and used Commmando being new and not caring about his appearance (Via his "I usually don't take time to go through all the posts" in Post 254) as ammunition to push an easy mslynch. See: Post 281 for more of Irish pushing the mslynch quickly. And I also don't understand the Shaun lynch, actually frustrated the hell out of me reading through this and seeing him get lynched when he was very genuine and town-told a lot but I don't know if I'd have lynched Irish D1, I'd probably have pushed on Nekoko (I stand by that she contradicted herself by pushing on Shaun with something she did herself in the same very post of hers that she voted him).

Anyway heading to bed, hopefully there's more tomorrow.

[Tierce]

Votecount 4.2

(1)

MontyWhittaker

- Thor665
(1)

Regfan

- MontyWhittaker

(3)

Not voting

- awestfie, Ms Marangal, Regfan

With 5 alive, it takes 3 votes to lynch.
The deadline is June 7 at 10:20 AM PDT. Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2013-06-07 10:20:00)

[Thor665]

Although, I want Thor to out his read on Regfan / Monty with some details, because he literally voted Monty without saying all that much today.

I would tend to suggest my vote is a pretty clear indication of my reads.

Basically - Monty makes sense, and Reg rather doesn't.
If I'm right then I'll look brilliant.
If I'm wrong then I have to go head to head with Reg tomorrow, and will have plenty of time to try to puzzle out how he somehow makes sense as scum.
I don't see the value in bothering with that workload at this stage.

I appreciate that you have doubts about Reg.
But he's not *remotely* worth lynching prior to Monty.

[Ms Marangal]

damn, I'll catch up later. It's monday, and monday is my bad day in regards to activity

[Tierce]

Votecount 4.3

(1)

MontyWhittaker

- Thor665
(1)

Regfan

- MontyWhittaker

(3)

Not voting

- awestfie, Ms Marangal, Regfan

With 5 alive, it takes 3 votes to lynch.
The deadline is June 7 at 10:20 AM PDT. Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2013-06-07 10:20:00)

[Regfan]

Sorry, been caught up studying for uni finals. Seem to be waiting on Ms Margaral to catch up with everything at the moment anyway.

Thor; What changed from you stating you think I'm most likely Irish partner in Post 835, Post 852 and Post 854 to now where you say Monty fits and I don't?

[Regfan]

Also Monty; Is there a reason your votes still on me given you've stated you have a town-read on me now?

[Ms Marangal]

Ok, I just took a quick look through your games Reg, and I see what you mean RE the difference, though I don't think it's an obvious one. After reading through it, I still have an unsure feeling though I do admit that this game does, very closely, follow your town meta better then your scum one.

I like Monty over you and Thor, though alot of what Thor is saying Throws me off as well. He looks like he's genuinely hunting, and trying to actually figure out who, between the other two unconfirmed are scum much like Reg while I don't feel that vibe coming from Monty. Monty, I think is just playing follow the leader.

My concern is though, if I am wrong about Monty then it's going to be a choice between Thor and Reg and I don't know who between the two of them would be scum

[Thor665]

Sorry, been caught up studying for uni finals. Seem to be waiting on Ms Margaral to catch up with everything at the moment anyway.

Thor; What changed from you stating you think I'm most likely Irish partner in Post 835, Post 852 and Post 854 to now where you say Monty fits and I don't?

It's a value call - he feels more likely scum in general.

Why are you voting him over me, since you're the one I was agreeing on about how Monty/Irish didn't work so well? I'd actually forgotten about that till you linked it.

[Tierce]

Votecount 4.4

(1)

MontyWhittaker

- Thor665
(1)

Regfan

- MontyWhittaker

(3)

Not voting

- awestfie, Ms Marangal, Regfan

With 5 alive, it takes 3 votes to lynch.
The deadline is June 7 at 10:20 AM PDT. Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2013-06-07 10:20:00)

[Ms Marangal]

Reg isn't voting anyone Thor...

[Thor665]

I will agree he has not placed an official vote.
My question stands.

[Regfan]

Ms, thanks for actually reading the meta (Most people are generally too lazy to do reading

stares at Awestfie

). Monty seems to be on V/LA though he's posted a bit elsewhere, hoping he gets around to this game soon because I want an explanation of why his change-in-reads never led towards an unvote or change in vote.

It's a value call - he feels more likely scum in general.

Why are you voting him over me, since you're the one I was agreeing on about how Monty/Irish didn't work so well? I'd actually forgotten about that till you linked it.

Try and explain the "He feels more scum in general" for me (It has to be based around certain actions) and I want to understand if they're along the same wavelength I'm thinking. Also I never thought Monty and Irish didn't work interactions wise, I thought Nekoko and Irish didn't work. My issue with Monty ect. was that I had a town-read on you and Monty which meant that either Irish wasn't scum or that one of my town-reads were wrong and given that Irish has flipped scum it means one of my town-reads are indeed wrong - If you're asking why I think he's scum over you though I've gone over it a great deal many times throughout the last few pages (Timing of his vote on Irish / unvote fits as partner bussing and then getting of when no longer needed to buss, next day start with them pushing on each other looking like a 'well I'm screwed lets distance' discussion occurred during the night and the fact that he didn't lead out with any read on you and Ms despite saying he wanted to look into you the prior day further points to the 'lets distance' conversation happening and I think he'd be more likely to miss a night kill then you).

[Tierce]

awestfie and MontyWhittaker have been prodded.

[awestfie]

Yeah, I'm here; not much to say, though; I think I want to lynch Monty today though.

Unless you have a better idea, Ms Marangal.

[Ms Marangal]

Mmm....

I don't think so but I think He needs to say something before I vote him

[Tierce]

Votecount 4.5

(1)

MontyWhittaker

- Thor665
(1)

Regfan

- MontyWhittaker

(3)

Not voting

- awestfie, Ms Marangal, Regfan

With 5 alive, it takes 3 votes to lynch.
The deadline is June 7 at 10:20 AM PDT. Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2013-06-07 10:20:00)

[Regfan]

I'll be out for most of tonight / tomorrow but when I get back hopefully Monty has posted.

Mod, can we have a votecount please? I can't find one on the page...Smooth operator, more like inactive mod.

[awestfie]

Lalala, where's Monty?

[Thor665]

Try and explain the "He feels more scum in general" for me (It has to be based around certain actions) and I want to understand if they're along the same wavelength I'm thinking.

I would say his posting regularity and content is the prime vibe. Town is in a *very* strong position right now, and he's acting like this game is pointless.
So...either he's town who literally doesn't give a fig if he wins...or, y'know, scum feeling defeated.
Derp. Guess which I think?

So, what are the vibes you're getting?

Also I never thought Monty and Irish didn't work interactions wise, I thought Nekoko and Irish didn't work.

Eh, mah bad.

given that Irish has flipped scum it means one of my town-reads are indeed wrong

Also, y'know, Nek flipping cop and confirming MM, that sort of stuff.

and I think he'd be more likely to miss a night kill then you).

Why? I have a history of botched night actions last I checked.

[Ms Marangal]

Montyyyyyyyy where are youuuuu?

[Thor665]

I would say his posting regularity and content is the prime vibe. Town is in a *very* strong position right now, and he's acting like this game is pointless.
So...either he's town who literally doesn't give a fig if he wins...or, y'know, scum feeling defeated.

Why do you guys ask the obvious?

[Thor665]

Also, seriously, both of you.
You're the confirmed town.
Start driving you derps!

[Ms Marangal]

Ok.

Thor's town, and if it isn't Monty it's Reg

VOTE: Monty

[Thor665]

No driving, but at least a stance. We can work with that.