Open 500 - Popcorn Mafia: Game Over!

[borkjerfkin]

^^ nice omgus.

Nice misrep

[Bert]

OK, that point about whatever Nacho/Oil/Whoever said was BS by me. My push on you looks/sounds/is stupid now, which is why I said I will not argue if you say it's shit play

I am panicky in general once I get a few votes on me, so I'm not accustomed to being free from pressure votes at all. TBH main reason I'm posting a lot (or trying to get reactions) is to get information for Nacho who has been part of every game I've played in. OK, I was confused and had no read on you at all. I still don't know what to think. I saw that the two hydra accs were discussing you and their "failures/successes" in completed games, and I wanted to get more info for them, so I took a case on you. I lurk in games where there is lots of voting, but I'm not scared now in this setup, even moreso because Nacho is 1/2 of the hydra. I'd be less scared if the hydra was nacho since Syryana is so unpredictable and Mollie-esque...so Syryana that's why I wish it was just Nacho, no offense

[Bert]

^^ nice omgus.

bert: no. i did not pick my list out of a hat. i have explained why each and every name is on my list. if oil tycoons has questions they can ask them. the "pick a name out of a hat" idea was a joke. sort of. i like my list and i would be fine if oil shot someone on my list.

Why didn't you say it was a joke?

[don_johnson]

bork: if it ain't omgus, then whats your case?

bert: what? not sure how much more i can explain it. i'm ok with the shooter shooting someone on my list. how they determine "who" to shoot is up to them. so as far as i'm concerned they can pick those names out of a hat, throw darts at them on the wall, etc. if they have better reasoning to shoot an individual then so be it.

[borkjerfkin]

I've already mentioned this:

the fact that you think hydra is your best shot because they're a hydra and "more heads are better and there's scientific research that can totes be applied to this particular game with these particular people" is total bullshit.

You're also throwing down scumreads but not adding them to your list (asking NS who his partners are implies you think he's scum) but you're still favoring people that are "flying under the radar" (AA/me?) and hydras (kerb) simply because they're a hydra OVER PEOPLE YOU THINK ARE SCUM? Nope.

Whereas it has nothing to do with the fact that I'm pissed that I'm on your list simply because I am me. THAT would be OMGUS.

its a win win. like i said earlier. marangals not playing nice. i thought she would. tips the scale ever so slightly.

What does this even mean?

Jacob was on your list and then he was off your list. What changed?
Wisdom was off your list and then he was on your list. What changed?

[Wisdom]

Wisdom is holding at a solid barely north of null right now but as I've previously mentioned his play is EXACTLY like a game I just got out of with him in it, and he was town there.

That should not tell you that I am town; who says I can't play the way I played last game as scum too?

If there's anything I don't like about his play it's that he will not interact with me so far -- I've asked him 1 or 2 questions that have not been answered.

What were the questions? I don't recall them.

[Wisdom]

wisdom: would you consider "Because he refuses to provide content." similar to the statement "because he is flying under the radar."

I guess.

[don_johnson]

I've already mentioned this:

the fact that you think hydra is your best shot because they're a hydra and "more heads are better and there's scientific research that can totes be applied to this particular game with these particular people" is total bullshit.

"i can put quotes around stuff to." what is this about scientific research?

You're also throwing down scumreads but not adding them to your list (asking NS who his partners are implies you think he's scum) but you're still favoring people that are "flying under the radar" (AA/me?) and hydras (kerb) simply because they're a hydra OVER PEOPLE YOU THINK ARE SCUM? Nope.

kerb is on the list, same as the others. marangals last post rubbed me the wrong way. otherwise, i don't think i'm placing anyone above the other at this time. a blind shot has a 40% chance of hitting scum. a fail shot increases those odds. scum should fall like dominoes in this set-up. i'm not too worried here. ns comment was a joke.

Whereas it has nothing to do with the fact that I'm pissed that I'm on your list simply because I am me. THAT would be OMGUS.

thats what it seems like.

its a win win. like i said earlier. marangals not playing nice. i thought she would. tips the scale ever so slightly.

What does this even mean?

http://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en&tab=n ... 24&bih=684

Jacob was on your list and then he was off your list. What changed?
Wisdom was off your list and then he was on your list. What changed?

jacob's play was explained.
wisdom asked to be on the list. so i obliged.

[borkjerfkin]

That should not tell you that I am town; who says I can't play the way I played last game as scum too?

I am aware of this; at the same time I see a lot of parallels in your play this game to your play last game. I think it's appropriate to say that that meta analysis is enough for a slight townread. It's inductive reasoning, but all mafia is inductive reasoning.

[borkjerfkin]

@don -- you said earlier in the game:

have you ever heard the saying "two heads are better than one?" there is basically thousands of years of evidence to support it. so whatevz.

This was, and still is, awful justification for having kerberos on your list, compared to standard scumhunting. Orders of magnitude worse. That "thousands of years of evidence" does not allow you to generalize, for this the specific situation, that the hydra will necessarily make good decisions if you shoot them and they flip town just because three people occupy that slot. You should be shooting for scum, period - hitting scum SO SEVERELY outweighs any consolation prize you receive by shooting a "useful townie"

I am so done talking about this.

http://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en&tab=n ... 24&bih=684

Don't be obtuse. How does Maragal's not being nice translate to anything?

wisdom asked to be on the list. so i obliged.

what

[notscience]

I feel like he's trying to dismiss is it as a joke, and ridiculing everyone who thinks otherwise. Anyone else getting that idea?

[notscience]

P-edit:

I also feel like he wants to get rid of one hydra by demanding one on a hydra so we have ONE LESS hydra. Your logic is failed. Yes, there is more to decide WHO GETS SHOT, but there is also the fact that we lost more opinions losing a hydra. It's a bad standing, and your point for it is terrible. It sounds more like scum trying to push a misfire and eliminate good players than a town reasoning. I'm not willing to let someone die because "oh if they have 1 more head it will do better." No. Give a good reason, or don't push the lynch.

[don_johnson]

you act as thought i am making a HUGE push to solely get the hydra shot. that simply isn't the case. just because i'm not townreading the hydra, doesn't mean they are my only suspect. also, you seem to have little faith in oil. the decision at this point is theirs. not mine. i am here to offer suggestions.

and what am i trying to "dismiss as a joke"? is it the obvious joke i made in putting wisdom on my list right after they questioned why they weren't on it?

if you have a question. just ask. i have been explaining my list. i have done it multiple times.

How does Maragal's not being nice translate to anything?

i expect courtesy and cooperation from marangal right off the bat. thats not what i got. her reasons for "suspecting" me didn't fly. so her being suspicious without due cause pings the scumdar just a bit.

if you don't want me to be obtuse, ask a direct question. it looked to me like you wanted to know what a "win-win" was. which was a dumb question. but thanks for clarifying.

[don_johnson]

P-edit:

I also feel like he wants to get rid of one hydra by demanding one on a hydra so we have ONE LESS hydra. Your logic is failed. Yes, there is more to decide WHO GETS SHOT, but there is also the fact that we lost more opinions losing a hydra. It's a bad standing, and your point for it is terrible. It sounds more like scum trying to push a misfire and eliminate good players than a town reasoning. I'm not willing to let someone die because "oh if they have 1 more head it will do better." No. Give a good reason, or don't push the lynch.

what makes you think kerb is town?

[notscience]

P-edit:

I also feel like he wants to get rid of one hydra by demanding one on a hydra so we have ONE LESS hydra. Your logic is failed. Yes, there is more to decide WHO GETS SHOT, but there is also the fact that we lost more opinions losing a hydra. It's a bad standing, and your point for it is terrible. It sounds more like scum trying to push a misfire and eliminate good players than a town reasoning. I'm not willing to let someone die because "oh if they have 1 more head it will do better." No. Give a good reason, or don't push the lynch.

what makes you think kerb is town?

It's just the vibe I'm getting. I don't like your "well they're either scum or we have 3 people holding the gun" menality. We have much better uses of our gun.

[don_johnson]

how many people would you shoot before you shot the hydra?

[notscience]

how many people would you shoot before you shot the hydra?

I would shoot people I ACTUALLY find scummy. Examples of such are Jacob, you, Feg and AA9 (I agree with borks post, I was going to bring that up but i wasn't sure if it was taboo or something). If they hydra does something scummy, I'll see your point. As of now, you have no possible reason to shoot the hydra.

[borkjerfkin]

you act as thought i am making a HUGE push to solely get the hydra shot. that simply isn't the case. just because i'm not townreading the hydra, doesn't mean they are my only suspect. also, you seem to have little faith in oil. the decision at this point is theirs. not mine. i am here to offer suggestions.

No?

did i miss some stuff? if anyone still needs a question answered, just ask.

wisdom: not sure what you said a few pages back about my reads. can you restate that?

my list is not difficult to decipher.

kerb: i actually laughed. thanks for that. what "reaction" to bork are you talking about? their play has been totally unimpressive so far.

feg: so wait. i put you on my list, and suddenly i am on your list?

oil: shoot the hydra.

[notscience]

Bork, what do you think about the AA9, Jacob and DJ as 3/4 of the scumteam? Of course, it'd be better after a good flip. but as an estimate I like the prospects.

AA9 for reasons you've already brought up
Jacob is just sitting around, although you said he had a minor towntell I don't quite like him just sitting around doing nothing. I disagree with you saying he shouldn't be shot, but meh.
DJ for his hypocrisy and "shoot the hydra" mentality

[borkjerfkin]

Jacob's possible scum for sure, but Feg is more likely to me. Wisdom is possible but I'd shoot Jacob over Wisdom right now.

I agree on the other two.

[Wisdom]

Don't you think it's a stretch that half of the scumteam is lurking? Sounds unlikely to me.

[notscience]

Don't you think it's a stretch that half of the scumteam is lurking? Sounds unlikely to me.

It's a stretch yes, but if it isn't them, who do you think it could be?

[Wisdom]

Wisdom is possible

Huh? I thought you were townreading me..?

[borkjerfkin]

I am leaning town on you, but I'm townreading TIP, Kerb, and NS town over you, so somewhere on the PoE chain if I'm wrong about the others I'd come back to you.

[Wisdom]

Don't you think it's a stretch that half of the scumteam is lurking? Sounds unlikely to me.

It's a stretch yes, but if it isn't them, who do you think it could be?

Anyone could be, really. Do you have reasons to townread everyone else?