Mini 1449 - Ordinary Town

[hapahauli]

Well actually, we could use HP's 1-shot check on one of the VT's. That might be best actually.

Checking Toomai or Daemon would be pretty good.

[GoodCopBadCop]

The thing is, I don't really believe him. I'd rather he dies protecting you or JFR if he's town.
Also, I find Dys more suspicious than Daemon. Acfan's attack on Daemon looked like scum vs town when I ISOd him.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

I mean, what's the point in him searching someone if the majority of us aren't going to believe his results without heavy suspicion.
If there are enough people that believe his claim, I won't complain. Otherwise, it's pointless.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

Actually, nvm. It turns out the same if he's lying.

Let him search Toomai.

- GC

[hapahauli]

Btw, did BC actually ragequit from the game? I haven't seen your other half in a while.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

@HP - u ever play with kuribo before?

You were all about lynching someone who played with him since it was suggested they may have killed him. That's kind of odd response if you killed him isn't it?

-J

[qwints]

mod, that link doesn't answer my question.

That's right. That's as far as I will answer your question.

[GoodCopBadCop]

@HP - u ever play with kuribo before?

You were all about lynching someone who played with him since it was suggested they may have killed him. That's kind of odd response if you killed him isn't it?

-J

Good point.
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@Hapa - BC is just bored of this game. He said that a few posts back.

- GC

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

If the mod won't answer in thread, I'm inclined to beleive he wouldn't tell the player.

Being told isn't common anyway, that's basically telling a player they were targeted which is generally a no no. Tracker isn't told they are blocked. Doctor isn't told he saved anyone.

vote: hp

[GoodCopBadCop]

post_id=4979237 time=1369421425 user_id=10128]So then why aren't we lynching someone who had played with Kuribo before?

This makes no sense considering you told us that you killed kuribo.

- GC

[hp [leaves]]

I haven't played with Kuribo if I remember correctly.

Cop, I was ranting at JakeDash there. I found his theory absurd (why? take a wild guess) and replied with an equally absurd comment.

[hp [leaves]]

Next time I'm going to request [sarcasm] or [heyguyshereswhatimreallyhintingat=] tags in the suggestions forum. God.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

Gcbc was the one who floated that theory, not us

[Daemon385]

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I'm okay if someone wants to invest me with no issues I have nothing to hide.

[Daemon385]

Well actually, we could use HP's 1-shot check on one of the VT's. That might be best actually.

Checking Toomai or Daemon would be pretty good.

This is what I was quoting by the way sorry for some reason if bugged out on me

[GoodCopBadCop]

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I'm okay if someone wants to invest me with no issues I have nothing to hide.

You'd also know we were wasting an invest on you if you were town.

- GC

[qwints]

Vote Count 3.2

hp[leaves]: GoodCopBadCop, Scott Brosius, Cheery Pie, Varsoon, Jake from Rainbowdash (5)

Scott Brosius: hp[leaves], Toomai, Hapahauli, Dyslexicon, (4)

Not voting: Daemon385 (1)

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.


Day Three ends in (expired on 2013-06-11 17:00:00)

[Daemon385]

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I'm okay if someone wants to invest me with no issues I have nothing to hide.

You'd also know we were wasting an invest on you if you were town.

- GC

Exactly my point

[GoodCopBadCop]

Hey guys, at the risk of sounding stupid I just want to say that I'm really suspicious of Rainbowjake

Jake from statefarm tends to be an irritating player as town, he is stubborn about his opinions and doesn't tend to listen to others and always sticks out like a sore thumb. As mafia, he is more willing to work with others and listen to others opinions. In this game, Jake seems to be playing as scum jake.

Rainbowdash I have seen be an amazing scum player, and her general MO is to try to take over the town with really confusing but simultaneously reassuring rhetoric that she is close to figuring out the game and will lynch the scum very soon. This also seems like scum-dash

I just want everyone to know this since I'll prob die somewhat soon

if our lynch today isn't scum, then really give rainbowjake a good look through with some scrutinizing eyes

-badcop

[hapahauli]

BC, have you played with scum-jake before? Is he capable of being this active as scum?

[hapahauli]

UNVOTE: Scott Brosius

I need to read this game again.

[hapahauli]

Also Jake/Rainbow, can you confirm that your role is indeed a one-shot tracker?

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

We will confirm tomorrow if we are still alive.

-J

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

Talking heavily in the QT right now. Kind of hard cause I have to translate what's being said to her.

[hapahauli]

Ok I still believe

Scott

is the correct lynch for today. As for Jake/Rainbow, I'll finish my thoughts/analysis of them later tonight. I still don't have a concrete opinion.

VOTE: Scott Brosius

1) Lynching the claimed-roles today is a terrible idea.

While the role combination seems powerful (especially the JOAT), it's not out of the ordinary balance-wise. Furthermore, behavioral analysis (particularly of HP) strongly suggests that the claim is town-motivated.

As a last bit, using their "powers" (real or not) can very easily force scum into sub-optimal decisions tonight. For example, even if Cheery is fake-claiming doc, mafia can't shoot the person he "saves" else it outs Cheery as mafia.

2) Behavioral analysis suggests that Scott is scum.

Let's not forget the most important thing in this game: behavioral analysis.

Scott is lurky, passive, and does not care about this game. Furthermore his Day 2 actions are objectively the scummiest in the game, in which he pushes Toomai until the ac1983fan wagon gains steam, then posts this:

I don't get on wagons with my top scum read, but since toomai has left, I feel better about acfan. I'm not buying the claim, the actions don't make sense, and the play is indicative of scum who has bought time, regardless of how busy he claims to be. He's trying a halfhearted push against me, and it doesn't really seem like he is trying.

This is the first time Toomai has jumped off a wagon before it crashed and it will be very suspicious if acfan flips scum. Especially since he was at L-1.

unvote, vote: acfan

Note that

none

of this post is about why ac1983fan is scum. In fact, nowhere in Scott's filter does he ever show any analysis/thoughts on ac1938fan. Scott seems more interested in framing Toomai after an AC flip rather than lynching AC.

Scott has been suspicious of Toomai all game, and from his filter, seems more interested in calling Toomai scum rather than pushing him or justifying his read. The last time he actually analyzed Toomai's filter was on Day 1:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p4960151

...in which he voted Toomai late in the day to start off a wagon which no one was on. Then he peaced out for the rest of the day and never pushed the Toomai wagon.

Finally, notice how he completely forgets about Toomai when HP calls him out. Instead of being suspicious of BOTH Toomai and HP, he's all of a sudden balls-to-the-wall against HP. This is a clear example of

scum desperation

.

3) The most reasonable explanation for the lack of NK was that HP roleblocked the mafia shot.

There are two possible reasons for the lack of NK last night. Either Scott made the shot and was roleblocked, or scum shot Jake/Rainbow. Think about how risky it is to shoot into Jake/Rainbow on N2. That slot is the obvious N2 doctor save, and the chances of scum shooting right into such an obvious save are low (or atleast is to be doubted). This is further backed up by the N1 kill, where scum chose to make a "safe" shot into Zef instead of killing the obvious N1 doctor target (myself, since everyone thought I was town, and I was balls-to-the-wall going after confirmed mafia).

The only other option is that Scott was successfully Roleblocked, and that makes the most sense to me.