Newbie 1382 (Game Over)

Zaicon · Post Post #150 (ISO) » Thu May 30, 2013 9:21 am

Vote Count 1.6

Xiao Long (3)

: notquitethere, Mr. Flay, rmpeacoc

rmpeacoc (2)

: Fear the poster, Xiao Long

notquitethere (1)

: pitoli

No Vote (3)

: JerryArr, jon_h61, lortaku

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch!

The deadline is Saturday, June 8, at 4:00 PM CDT, which is in (expired on 2013-06-08 16:00:00).

lortaku has been prodded.

JerryArr · Post Post #151 (ISO) » Thu May 30, 2013 10:17 am

In post 146, Xiao Long wrote:If she's town in this game, I'd still rather her be D1 lynch at this point in time.

I would rather be as sure as possible on D1 about someone being scum, however, I think rmpeacoc has become the most scummy so far. I'm only going to

FoS: rmpeacoc

at the moment, but

In post 69, rmpeacoc wrote:I hope you're having a heart attack tomorrow IF you get me lynched and WHEN I flip town.

...and...

In post 122, rmpeacoc wrote:Also I never said if I was lynched it would be a ML.

...seem pretty contradictory, although I could be missing something.

rmpeacoc · Post Post #152 (ISO) » Thu May 30, 2013 10:21 am

I'm going to try to get to everything here.

If I'm 'dropping issues' its because I'm trying to respond to everything. I do find it interesting that you say I'm dropping issues but you don't give specific examples. From now on I'd appreciate if you would quote my words in a quote rather than trying to summarize what you think I was saying.

@Xiao>>

Spoiler:

@Fear>>>

Spoiler:

@Pitoli>>>

Spoiler:

Is there a reason that very few people in this game are willing to use specifics/quoting? It helps a lot. I feel like I have to go searching for support or where I may have said something. Please realize that I came to MS from EpicMafia which is chat style mafia. I'm not used to games going on for days or months so periodically I will forget what has been said. One time I even claimed my role from another game because I got confused. I'm still getting used to forum mafia.

P-Edit. You are all missing the point I'm trying to make here. I'm trying to say that they are basically misrepping me. I NEVER SAID if I was lynched it would be a ML, I said I will flip town, I said Feel free to ML me. There is a difference. Maybe it's minute but I'm trying to make people realize that you need to quote the actual words.

But at this rate seriously just ml me. I'm not going to keep fighting like this. It's been so petty that you're making ME feel like I have to be petty. Again, check my meta. I'm ALWAYS scum read at the beginning of a game.

Tag fixed. ~Zaicon

rmpeacoc · Post Post #153 (ISO) » Thu May 30, 2013 10:22 am

I'm out for today and possibly tomorrow to collect my thoughts because you are all seriously pissing me off. I'll try to post sometime Saturday morning.

rmpeacoc · Post Post #154 (ISO) » Thu May 30, 2013 10:22 am

^^just to be clear I don't want to say something I don't mean, and at this point I feel like I'm going to become a really mean person because I feel as though I am being personally attacked by certain people.

JerryArr · Post Post #155 (ISO) » Thu May 30, 2013 10:30 am

rmpeacoc, what is your definition of mislynch?

rmpeacoc · Post Post #156 (ISO) » Thu May 30, 2013 10:41 am

a lynch of someone who is not scum. I know where you're going with this. I'll say it again, only because I'm here (inb4 I get attacked for saying i'm leaving... I am leaving, and if I respond it will be simple ones like this. I refuse to be attacked).

I did say I would flip town. I did not say 'lynching me will be a ml' or anything of the sort. Xiao and Fear continue to make it look as though I'm trying to convince you all that I am town. The statement that I made was that You can all feel free to ml me if I'm hurting the town. In other words I'm willing to be sacrificed if it will in fact help.I'm trying to make the point here that I am being misrepresented-- which I in fact am. If you don't feel that I am it's all fine and dandy, but I think that the way that you say things makes you come off a certain way. Xiao is trying to make me look more scummy than I feel like I look, and the way that I am defending myself is not helping me. Instead it is hurting the town.

So you can all stop trying to say I'm terrible and go read my completely games, because this happens to me every time. In this case I happen to be in a game with a few people who are extremely rude and hurtful. This is no longer fun.

Fear the poster · Post Post #157 (ISO) » Thu May 30, 2013 10:49 am

So rmpea, you think that there is a real difference between saying that you are fine to be mislynched and saying 'I am a mislynch' but not between Xiao's 'I don't know because I've never been a cop' and the words you put in hai mouth which were 'I don't know what I would do as a cop'

I'm not terribly sorry if you think I'm rude and hurtful. Aggression helps me make good reads and being directly confrontational and generating reactions helps with that. You need to grow a thicker skin if you have that much problem with being accused.

You also need to take a deep breath and reread my case on you which had nothing to do with when you joined the thread but how you joined the thread. That is an important distinction and if you can't see the difference I don't know what to tell you.

pitoli · Post Post #158 (ISO) » Thu May 30, 2013 10:51 am

Rmpea, calm down.
No one is saying that you're a bad person or that they hate you - so the attacks are not personal.
If you can't take some fire I'm not sure why you want to play forum mafia.

rmpeacoc · Post Post #159 (ISO) » Thu May 30, 2013 11:07 am

@Fear

I admitted there that I made the mistake in my wording. However you all know what he said and the point I'm trying to make here, which is that because he claims to not know what he would do as cop because he has never been cop, he seems noob. I'm sorry for the misunderstanding.

As far as why I'm upset, I'm not so much talking about you. In fact you have not once called me a name or personally attacked me. You've been a dick play-wise, but that i can handle. What I can't handle right now is Xiao tearing me town. If I narrow it down, these are the kind of things that I find insulting:

In post 100, Xiao Long wrote:I really do think you have some difficulty comprehending.

In post 125, Xiao Long wrote:Is English your first language?

In post 146, Xiao Long wrote:she seems to fuck over town more than anything

^^This is bullshit. All of it. It's rude and hurtful. It's not about needing to have a thicker skin I don't approve of ANYONE talking to ANYONE this way. I'm willing to admit when I make mistakes, but I don't expect to be treated this way by anyone. If you think I'm misunderstanding something you tell me I'm misunderstanding and explain it. You don't call me names and say shit like this. It's extremely unnecessary and it detracts from the fun of the game, because now I am self-conscious about how I'm playing. I'm an SE yes, but as Jon said all we have done is play a few games. It's not like I'm the most experienced person every. As I said I'll admin when I have made a mistake. I just don't appreciate people who tear someone down the way that he has been.

The one place where Xiao says I was taking things to a personal level with him is in post 105. However I did not mean to make anything personal there. My point was that his points AT THAT POINT seemed very noob-ish to me and that he's not assisting town, instead he seems to be against everyone which I don't agree with. It was not meant to be a personal attack and I was not referring to anything outside of this game. I'm honestly still just irritated he's not even helping us get a read on him. Again I agree with hypothetical situations helping to get a read. Even if you disagree I don't see a reason to not answer the question.

pitoli · Post Post #160 (ISO) » Thu May 30, 2013 11:07 am

In post 151, JerryArr wrote:
In post 146, Xiao Long wrote:If she's town in this game, I'd still rather her be D1 lynch at this point in time.
I would rather be as sure as possible on D1 about someone being scum, however, I think rmpeacoc has become the most scummy so far. I'm only going to
FoS: rmpeacoc
at the moment

What do you find scummy exactly?

rmpeacoc · Post Post #161 (ISO) » Thu May 30, 2013 11:09 am

I'm out of here for now, tired of the bs. Stay out of it Pitoli. I'll make a decision on whether I want to replace out tomorrow. All you need to know is that Xiao upset me. He did make it personal. All this is doing is ruining my day and the fun in things.

pitoli · Post Post #162 (ISO) » Thu May 30, 2013 11:09 am

#151 seems opportunistic, js

Fear the poster · Post Post #163 (ISO) » Thu May 30, 2013 11:24 am

In post 43, rmpeacoc wrote:
In post 36, bubbajack8 wrote:Wouldn't be surprised if there is a scum on the rmp wagon. I don't like sheeps.
Glad you said it first

Wagonning during RVS is such a scum move imo. Find a way to RANDOM VOTE. it's not a 'random lynch' idiots. Mislynch means that if you lynch wrong town can still survive. Anyway you don't want to lynch me since i'm town.

Been doing some extra curricular reading. Rmpea does say this shit in other games. I wanted to let this play out but her anger feels very much like the genuine anger of a townie who does not see why they are being bandwagoned and not that of a scum who knows they have been caught out.

unvote
Vote: jerrbear

Jerry, explain your weak bandwagon onto rmpea. This is the towniest she has looked all game, why jump on now? And a fos? Explain yourself.

Xiao and pit, I don't think rmpea is a good lynch any more. Jump ship.

Xiao Long · Post Post #164 (ISO) » Thu May 30, 2013 11:39 am

rmp

Spoiler:

In post 152, rmpeacoc wrote:
@Xiao>>
In post 125, Xiao Long wrote: Saying feel free to ml you is THE SAME EXACT THING as saying if you were lynched it would be a ml. Is English your first language?
No. There are 2 difference instances here. I am saying please ml me if I'm hurting the town, not trying to convince you to not vote me because it will be a ml, as you stated I was trying to do.

***Also as a note I really don't appreciate the attacks coming from you. This has happened more than once.I'm a woman and I'm quite sensitive to people implying that I am somehow illiterate or stupid. Please keep it game related and stop the personal attacks. You claim that I was taking things personal somehow and i will apologize if I did, but please quote me on the 'ad hominem'***

They are not different in the slightest. You are saying, "Please mislynch me if I'm hurting the town." The only implication one can draw from this is if you are town, because scum cannot be mislynched. This is 100% the same meaning of, "If you lynch me, it will be a mislynch." I don't understand how you can't see this.

It's not an attack. It was a legitimate question. The way you word certain things, misspellings, comprehension difficulties - I was genuinely wondering if English was not your first language because if it isn't, I would have been more understanding and tried to be more clear. It's not uncommon for people on this forum to be from different countries and have English as their second or even third language. You being a woman is completely irrelevant. I already did quote you on the ad-hominem.

Stating it once is one thing. Stating it over, and over, and over again is another.
Tell me where I repeat it 'over and over again' please. I'm talking about repeating it over and over again without someone commenting on it. If someone comments and I defend, that's not repetition in a scummy way. That's me restating what I said in order to specify what it was I said. Again, you can go head and quote where I said things 'over and over'. Claiming I did something without supporting it will get you no where.

I supported it by giving you post numbers. I don't need to quote it.

I said you called me out, I didn't say you were attacking me. Please read more carefully.
O really?
---->
In post 117, Xiao Long wrote:Post 73 shows you start to attack me.

You CLEARLY stated that I was attacking me.

Again you misread, I said that I was originally responding to you because you called me out. You said, "In the beginning I was not attacking you." Which I agree, you were not attacking me in the beginning, and I never said you were. Your attacks occurred later on.

If you're scum you don't want to vote someone who is voting you but you do want to attack someone who you feel is attacking you.
Oh, that's funny:
VOTE: Xiao Long
Here you are voting someone who is voting you.
I was talking about how you were behaving. I'm not saying you were omgusing. I'm saying you voted me because I was calling you scum but NOT voting you.

Also OMGUS is not a scum tell. Yep, I'm voting someone who is voting me. I also called you scum first... got a problem with that? please explain WITH SPECIFIC QUOTES.

You called me scum first, but didn't vote until I voted for you. That's what I have a problem with. Either you weren't confident in your own deductions, or you were afraid of looking like eager scum.

This all goes back to you stating you don't know what cop would do because you have never played as cop.
Another example of reading only what you want to read. I said I wouldn't know what
I
would do as a cop.
O I'm sorry one fucking word wrong. You said that You didn't know what you would do as cop BECAUSE you have never played as cop. Now you are just picking.

Yes, one word wrong - IN THAT SENTENCE - completely changes the implication. I can't believe we are still on this issue, but: I don't know what I would do if I were a cop. There are other players that I have seen play cop and could make an educated guess in what they would do. However, I tend to have a different playstyle than most as it stands, so if I were cop, I can only imagine my playstyle would be different in that regard, as well. Thus, I am not sure how I would play as a cop until I actually do play as a cop. Can we drop this issue now? It's already buried a mile under with how much we've run it into the ground.

Xiao, please do not claim until someone says that they want to hammer you.
You mean don't repeatedly say I'm town in an effort to convince everyone? k.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Saying you are town IS NOT A CLAIM. I'm talking about CLAIMING YOUR ROLE. Please attempt to learn the terminology.

/sigh
I feel like we need to just disagree here and leave it at that.

One last thing... The only meta on me that really matters since I am town in all of my completed games is Newbie 1350. However if you notice in almost every game I've been in I'm quickly attacked d1 and then town read later on in the game. Apparently my strategy a the beginning of the game needs to be worked on... However again you can not personally attack me please because I don't feel that I fucked those games at all.

I feel like you're far too easily swayed and can be a huge detriment to town if not noticed.

As an aside, you really need to calm down. I have not been very rude or mean at all, you're blowing this out of proportion and need to compose yourself a little better. You're not the only person to ever have a wagon on you, hell, I've spent the majority of the day at L-2.

JerryArr · Post Post #165 (ISO) » Thu May 30, 2013 11:43 am

In post 160, pitoli wrote:
In post 151, JerryArr wrote:
In post 146, Xiao Long wrote:If she's town in this game, I'd still rather her be D1 lynch at this point in time.
I would rather be as sure as possible on D1 about someone being scum, however, I think rmpeacoc has become the most scummy so far. I'm only going to
FoS: rmpeacoc
at the moment
What do you find scummy exactly?

I didn't understand rmpeacoc saying she'll flip down if she's lynched, and then saying that she never said a lynch on her would be a mislynch.

In post 163, Fear the poster wrote: Jerry, explain your weak bandwagon onto rmpea. This is the towniest she has looked all game, why jump on now? And a fos? Explain yourself.

After Xiao become more towny in my eyes, and me not seeing anything from lortaku recently (my initial read was admittedly lacking), rmpeacoc was next on my reads list, and it seemed she had contradicted herself. As for me FoS'ing, after what happened earlier with my vote on Xiao, I'm not taking chances with my actual vote until I am solid on where I want my vote to go. I certainly won't be voting her now that she'll be gone until Saturday.

Xiao Long · Post Post #166 (ISO) » Thu May 30, 2013 11:43 am

In post 163, Fear the poster wrote:
Jerry, explain your weak bandwagon onto rmpea. This is the towniest she has looked all game, why jump on now? And a fos? Explain yourself.

Xiao and pit, I don't think rmpea is a good lynch any more. Jump ship.

You're saying it's the towniest she's looked all game, but keep in mind she didn't look town at all before what Jerr said, and it's a bit much to be saying he's jumping ship since he didn't even drop a vote. However, he's being really cautious with his vote, and that makes me question him. I don't know about jumping on a wagon for him atm though, his next posts will give me a better idea.

JerryArr · Post Post #167 (ISO) » Thu May 30, 2013 11:43 am

EBWOP: "flip town", not "flip down".

Fear the poster · Post Post #168 (ISO) » Thu May 30, 2013 11:48 am

In post 165, JerryArr wrote:
In post 160, pitoli wrote:
In post 151, JerryArr wrote:
In post 146, Xiao Long wrote:If she's town in this game, I'd still rather her be D1 lynch at this point in time.
I would rather be as sure as possible on D1 about someone being scum, however, I think rmpeacoc has become the most scummy so far. I'm only going to
FoS: rmpeacoc
at the moment
What do you find scummy exactly?
I didn't understand rmpeacoc saying she'll flip down if she's lynched, and then saying that she never said a lynch on her would be a mislynch.

In post 163, Fear the poster wrote: Jerry, explain your weak bandwagon onto rmpea. This is the towniest she has looked all game, why jump on now? And a fos? Explain yourself.
After Xiao become more towny in my eyes, and me not seeing anything from lortaku recently (my initial read was admittedly lacking), rmpeacoc was next on my reads list, and it seemed she had contradicted herself. As for me FoS'ing, after what happened earlier with my vote on Xiao, I'm not taking chances with my actual vote until I am solid on where I want my vote to go. I certainly won't be voting her now that she'll be gone until Saturday.

So, from what I understand you are saying she contradicted herself (where?) and that there was one thing you didn't understand. How do either of those things make her scum?

Xiao, she looks town now and since before jerrbear piled on her.

Xiao Long · Post Post #169 (ISO) » Thu May 30, 2013 11:58 am

She looks more town now, yes, but I don't think she looked town before her response which happened after Jerr FOS'd her.

JerryArr · Post Post #170 (ISO) » Thu May 30, 2013 11:59 am

In post 168, Fear the poster wrote: So, from what I understand you are saying she contradicted herself (where?) and that there was one thing you didn't understand. How do either of those things make her scum?

When she said she'd be revealed as town if lynched (69), then said she didn't say that (122), that seemed contradictory to me, and I didn't understand why she wouldn't find it odd.
As for making her scum, it doesn't make her absolute for certain scum, but I'm still wary. She was climbing the scumread chart more because Xiao and lortaku fell off, although 69/122 didn't help for me.

pitoli · Post Post #171 (ISO) » Thu May 30, 2013 12:03 pm

Jerr, what did lortaku do to get off your scumreads? He simply hasn't been around.

JerryArr · Post Post #172 (ISO) » Thu May 30, 2013 2:11 pm

In post 171, pitoli wrote:Jerr, what did lortaku do to get off your scumreads? He simply hasn't been around.

I looked back and he didn't really do much to deserve being that high on my initial rankings. He hasn't posted here in awhile, but I'm guessing that's more forgetting about the game than lurking or something like that.

jon_h61 · Post Post #173 (ISO) » Thu May 30, 2013 2:43 pm

In post 147, pitoli wrote:
In post 146, Xiao Long wrote: In that case, I find it hard to believe that chance would have you scum 9/10 times. Your reads seem town too, so I see you as almost certainly town.
My chance of rolling scum in this game are completely independent from my previous games. It's faulty to think, "she's been mafia three times in a row, there's no way she can be mafia again".

I thought the same thing just now as I was reading, a logical fallacy I find myself doing occasionally.

I see there's a lot of posts since I last accessed my browser, reading up now.

jon_h61 · Post Post #174 (ISO) » Thu May 30, 2013 2:53 pm

In post 151, JerryArr wrote:I would rather be as sure as possible on D1 about someone being scum, however, I think rmpeacoc has become the most scummy so far. I'm only going to FoS: rmpeacoc at the moment, but

FOSing while not voting someone already is a scum tell in my book. Why no vote? Seriously? We'd all like to be sure we have scum on Day 1, well except scum, but you'll never find out with a FOS. It just makes it appear you're doing something. Put a FOS on me and I'll just ignore it.

Moving on