Mini 1449 - Ordinary Town

[Toomai]

It's *possible* he's some kind of SK variant, but that's putting a lot of eggs into one basket. There are many 3rd party roles (some of which can be friendly to us) that we probably shouldn't lynch.

I believe SK is the only valid 3rd-party role in a Normal game.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

inally, notice how he completely forgets about Toomai when HP calls him out. Instead of being suspicious of BOTH Toomai and HP, he's all of a sudden balls-to-the-wall against HP. This is a clear example of scum desperation.

you lose credibility with this one right here.

hypothetical situation. Scum fake claimed guilty on you and you KNOW he is lying. Do you A. continute to vote the person you are suspicious of and ignore the lying Scum or B. vote the lying scum and try to get him lynched.

If you say A I will call you a liar. you absolutely vote the person lying. So why is Scott suspicious because from his pov, scum is lying.?

I looked over Scott's ISO and he has been pushing toomai, but so has HP. This makes me wonder why HP did not shoot Toomai N1 when he says stuff like

post_id=4957203 time=1368652063 user_id=10128]Toom

post_id=4958857 time=1368718115 user_id=10128]Well I'm all for NC or Toomai now so if we're not lynching Toomai,

VOTE: NC

post_id=4959324 time=1368734632 user_id=10128]Both opportunistic, weak votes. I still don't understand why we're prioritizing NC over Toomai.

and to start Day 2

post_id=4974296 time=1369260350 user_id=10128]VOTE: Toomai

The fact he killed kuribo instead of Toomai is not a town mentality, that is a scum/SK mentality.

game over. HP is scum.

p.edit - you are correct

[Dyslexicon]

If SB has no actions to use he wouldn't know whether he has been roleblocked or not. There being no kill doesn't have to be due to a roleblock. If hp is 3rd party, I'd rather want to lynch SB.

[Dyslexicon]

If SB has no actions to use he wouldn't know whether he has been roleblocked or not. There being no kill doesn't have to be due to a roleblock. If hp is 3rd party, I'd rather want to lynch SB.

In other words, he wouldn't know whether hp is lying about the block.

[Scott Brosius]

If SB has no actions to use he wouldn't know whether he has been roleblocked or not. There being no kill doesn't have to be due to a roleblock. If hp is 3rd party, I'd rather want to lynch SB.

In other words, he wouldn't know whether hp is lying about the block.

With this knifesmith role, leaves assumes there is a doctor. So why did he come out guns blazing saying he caught me if he knows there is a feasible alternative explanation for the NK (scum shooting into doc protect). Coming out like that with that assumption is not town play.

Obviously I have no idea if he actually roleblocked me. But he's making assumptions he wouldn't be making if his role was true. If he knows there is 99% chance there is a doctor (due to this "knifesmith" role), he would not be immediately assuming that he stopped a NK just because of a roleblock.

[Dyslexicon]

Obviously I have no idea if he actually roleblocked me. But he's making assumptions he wouldn't be making if his role was true. If he knows there is 99% chance there is a doctor (due to this "knifesmith" role), he would not be immediately assuming that he stopped a NK just because of a roleblock.

True. But why did you say this then:

However, when I'm being accused of being roleblocked when I have no powers, I am 100% sure hp is lying.

[Toomai]

This makes me wonder why HP did not shoot Toomai N1 when he says stuff like

post_id=4957203 time=1368652063 user_id=10128]Toom

post_id=4958857 time=1368718115 user_id=10128]Well I'm all for NC or Toomai now so if we're not lynching Toomai,

VOTE: NC

post_id=4959324 time=1368734632 user_id=10128]Both opportunistic, weak votes. I still don't understand why we're prioritizing NC over Toomai.

and to start Day 2

post_id=4974296 time=1369260350 user_id=10128]VOTE: Toomai

The fact he killed kuribo instead of Toomai is not a town mentality, that is a scum/SK mentality.

game over. HP is scum.

Woah.

Big-O FoS: hp[leaves]

Not intent to hammer yet since we still have like a dozen days and people need to respond to this intriguing observation.

[Dyslexicon]

^Yeah, good point. I might switch votes because of that. Both SB and hp are good lynches imo, though.

[hapahauli]

Oh huh. Nice catch there Jake.

Well yah, I can't really fancy how that's town motivated. My money is still on him being a 3rd party, but that strongly suggests that his motives can and will be against town.

I'll wait for what HP has to say before deciding what I vote. I still think SB is scum. Though that just convinced me to vote HP off the island if need be.

On another note, I still have no idea what exactly you object to about my SB read, since I've seen you disagree a ton but point to nothing specific in my analysis.

[Varsoon]

Guys, I've been skimming and not giving this thread as much attention as I should.
I really hope my replacement can do more for town than I've done so far.

Requesting to replace out, please.

[hp [leaves]]

All these SK theories are pointless. Did you notice how Jake is "cleared" in the existence of a SK and how he's really pushing for that theory?

Also NL? Seriously?

I don't know how you guys vig but Toomai was an active player. Lurkerscum targets are better than Activescum targets for N1 for me. Votes on activescum=>information. Votes on lurkerscum=>frustration because of no info. Hence the vig on Kuribo. Also no-breadcrumb policy.

[hp [leaves]]

I almost want to just lynch SB because if he is town it confirms us as town.

So hp is almost for sure scum. I actually wouldn't be shocked to learn his is a SK/mafia and caught SB who is the other if there is a third party though

@hp - You are going to be lynched today. If you are mafia though and claim it though, we will lynch SB first because that forces him into being the SK assuming you blocked him.

No. I mean "there is a knifesmith" is basically saying "there is a doctor". Im actually NOW wondering if hp is a scum SK-cop essentially that also picks up the doctor. That would be pretty awesome.

3. I don't really think HP is mafia, I think he is probably SK and his claim from an SK perspective makes sense, especially if he has some sort of RB ability. If he was aware we had a doc, him assuming we had a NK because of his block and not the doc save makes no sense. If SB flips town he would just say "Oh I guess the doc stopped the kill, not me" With us having a doc and them saving the most likely person to be killed, I believe CD stopped the kill, not HP.

-J

How can you be cleared if I'm indeed a SK? Why is your self-preservation instinct kicking in so hard? Why does every single speculation of yours directly benefit you?

[hapahauli]

I don't think he's saying he'd be cleared if you're SK.

From the passages you're quoting, he's saying that he'd be cleared if SB flipped town. Which makes sense, given that the only other explanation for the blocked NK would be scum shooting into JRD and getting blocked.

[GoodCopBadCop]

The Scott lynch is good for information but Hp just looks more scummy atm.

Hp is currently at L-1

- GC

[Cheery Pie]

Hey guys, at the risk of sounding stupid I just want to say that I'm really suspicious of Rainbowjake

Jake from statefarm tends to be an irritating player as town, he is stubborn about his opinions and doesn't tend to listen to others and always sticks out like a sore thumb. As mafia, he is more willing to work with others and listen to others opinions. In this game, Jake seems to be playing as scum jake.

Rainbowdash I have seen be an amazing scum player, and her general MO is to try to take over the town with really confusing but simultaneously reassuring rhetoric that she is close to figuring out the game and will lynch the scum very soon. This also seems like scum-dash

I agree with these statements (though I haven't looked at a Jake-scum or a RBD-town game due to not having played in those)

For this reason I'm seriously considering Scott being the better lynch for today.

dashie actually thinks we should be NL because we have an even number. I don't really like NL, but my experience is lacking and I know she has suggested this before in other games I have played with her.

While I'm still alive and capable of saving someone (+/- hp's bp should that be true) - this is not an option.
maybe if it were mylo, but it's clearly not when we've only had 1 out of probably 3 allowed mislynches.

However, when I'm being accused of being roleblocked when I have no powers, I am 100% sure hp is lying. How is this scum desperation? One player I have serious scum reads on, another is completely lying about their actions...who would you go with?

Having no powers doesn't stop a roleblock action.
If he's telling the truth about his role, then he'd be telling the truth about his actions.

No. I mean "there is a knifesmith" is basically saying "there is a doctor". Im actually NOW wondering if hp is a scum SK-cop essentially that also picks up the doctor. That would be pretty awesome.

Reading the normal page - backups are allowed without the primary role, millers & godfathers are allowed without cops - so why does there have to be a doctor (for this statement, I'm obviously excluding myself and partner as the only players that can 100% confirm there is a doctor this game until the flip) because there is a knifesmith?

I don't feel like browsing through all the past games currently, but I believe it's likely that there has been a gunsmith without a cop or vig. (and if there's not (just need to remember this when I get back to collecting data of past day 1 lynches), then guess what I'm going to go attempt to design)

Guys, I've been skimming and not giving this thread as much attention as I should.
I really hope my replacement can do more for town than I've done so far.

Requesting to replace out, please.

Third scums leaving the building, maybe hp is the better lynch afterall.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

btw, after doing some research it looks like HP had actually been a JOAT as a 3rd party role, in a previous game, granted this was a themed game (2010)

Bulletproof
Investigate
NightKill
Roleblock

Sound familiar?

Also, I even wonder why he mentioned he was bulletproof cause i found this in a thread that talks about bulletproofs - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p2107205

post_id=2109451 time=1266159193 user_id=10128]When you are bulletproof, it won't help the town to claim it. You want to get hit by a mafiakill so that no townie dies in night.

Also I am looking through normal games, I want to know why the mod won't give us the courtesy of the answer provided by the mod in this game I just found

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p3164634
[quote="mod"If I were to include this role in the game, which I am neither confirming nor denying, then I would not inform them of being targeted with a kill[/quote]

but going on, I have gone through 20 completed games and have only found 1 actual bulletproof, and I found the above statement from a mod where they say they would not tell the BP

I just went through a ton of games and not many BPs and the few i found don't really say if they are told or not.

I still don't buy the claim personally. I will leave it up to others to decide for themselves. My vote isn't changing.

I also disagree with his strategy for a vig, 1st of all a vig should NEVER shoot night 1, so if he is going to preach proper vig strategy he should first start with that one.

second, he only mentioned zef once, the fact that zef was replaced and his slot was being replaced yet again should have at least left him alone so we could actually read the slot and provide us information. And you absolutely shoot your biggest scum read as a vig, not a lurker cause the lurker could have been a PR trying to stay out of harms way. That is what happened to me in disney mafia, I was shot by the SK, shot me for lurking, i was a town PR.

that's all I got.


-J

[hp [leaves]]

I feel so honored to be the hammer. All of my hard work and dedication has paid off. Getting the hammer has been a dream of mine for many years, and i would like to thank those who have helped me along the way. First and foremost i would like to thank god for giving me this opportunity. Next i would like to thank my parents. I want to thank my friend Josh Arcaro, for being really skinny and always there for me. I would also like to thank my pet tadpole for surviving against all odds for over a week. Next i would like to thank the squirrel that lives in my backyard for climbing trees because that gives me inspiration that i need to get through the day. This is a special moment in my life and i would like to thank any of my unmentioned friends and family that have helped me along the way. This moment will be a moment that i will never forget. I just remembered a few other people i would like to thank; mafiascum, the fish i caught in the third grade, my light in my room bc i wouldn’t be able to see the keyboard without it, the internet for letting me go on mafiascum, my house because without it i would be homeless, and last but not least i would like to thank all the people out there that actually took time out of their day to read this. I cannot stress how much of a big deal to me this is. I have been trying to be the hammer on a person for years, but that has not been possible until this amazing day. Hopefully my good luck will continue, but this is undoubtedly a rare occasion. If you asked me how i did this, i would say, you can achieve anything u set your mind on. To all the kids out there reading this, i would like to tell them to follow their dreams. Being the hammer is amazing, thank you everyone

Remember kids, WIFOM is a scumtell.

VOTE: hp [leaves]

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

Nice speech, I read it all.

I disagree that wifom is a scumtell though. Thanks for self the hammer, it's a respectable way to go.

[hapahauli]

Wut. Well at least that means he isn't town.

[hapahauli]

If he flips as some 3rd party with a RB, lets do SB tomorrow mmmmmmay?

[GoodCopBadCop]

What the hell?

Anyway:
Hp town = Scott likely scum but not 100%. CP and JFR unknown.
Hp scum = Scott unknown. CP and JFR town.

That's how I see it.

- GC

[qwints]

After an intense debate about who to hand over to the angry mob outside, one of the people under suspicion throws themselves outside. After the mob hangs them, a bottle of chloroform and a gun are found on them.

hp [leaves],

Mafia Roleblocker

, lynched D3

Vote Count 3.3

hp[leaves]: GoodCopBadCop, Scott Brosius, Cheery Pie, Varsoon, Jake from Rainbowdash, VOTE: hp [leaves] (6)

Scott Brosius: Toomai, Hapahauli, Dyslexicon (3)

Not voting: Daemon385 (1)

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Night 3 will last until 24 hours after I found a replacement for Varsoon

[qwints]

Antigon replaces Varsoon.

[qwints]

With a second evil-doer dead, you all went to sleep hoping that you could go back to your ordinary lives tomorrow. Eight of you woke up with that same hope, one didn't.

Hapahauli,

Vanilla Townie

, killed Night 3

Votecount 4.1

Not voting: GoodCopBadCop, Dyslexicon, Cheery Pie, Jake from Rainbowdash, Varsoon, Scott Brosius, Daemon385, Toomai (8)

With 8 Alive, it takes 5 to Lynch

Day 4 ends in (expired on 2013-06-17 13:00:00)

[Antagon]

Uh, the player list still says Varsoon?

Fixed, sorry. ~qwints

I'm currently in the middle of reading the 47 pages, but you should expect reads and all that from me in the next few days.